Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Michelin Guide task force/Archive 1
 | This is an archive of past discussions about Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
| Archive 1 |
Archiving
Anyone know how to setup archiving here? ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I set it up on the project page. Hopefully it's correct. Do we need an archive on the talk page as well?
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I created one for Talk. Expandinglight5 (talk) 17:02, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Showcase
I think I've included all of the encyclopedia's Michelin-related Featured lists and Good articles, but feel free to expand if I've overlooked any. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to confirm, this task force includes Michelin-starred restaurants (red stars), right? It excludes Green stars, Bib Gourmand and The Plate restaurants. (CC) Tbhotch™ 04:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree that this is only for Michelin-starred restaurants, excluding other ratings from the guide. Other ratings brings questionable notability into the project. Expandinglight5 (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with limiting the scope to (current and former) Michelin-starred eateries. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've thought about this a bit more. I could see editors being tempted to associate articles in Category:Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand restaurants with this project. I'm not suggesting Bib Gourmand status means a business is notable, but for those restaurants that are notable, I wouldn't be bothered if they were included under the umbrella of this project. It is called WikiProject Michelin Guide, not WikiProject Michelin-starred restaurants. I don't feel strongly either way, just noting the slight discrepancy. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. If the restaurant is notable and has a rating from Michelin (Bib Gourmand or other rating), then I see no issue with including as part of this project. Though I think we would agree the list pages that are "Michelin-starred" should remain as such without the inclusion of Bib Gourmand or other Michelin ratings. Expandinglight5 (talk) 03:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Tbhotch: Just wanted to make sure you saw this update in our thinking, since you ask and you're also tagging articles for this project. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll tag the missing articles, if any. (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Tbhotch: Just wanted to make sure you saw this update in our thinking, since you ask and you're also tagging articles for this project. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, agreed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. If the restaurant is notable and has a rating from Michelin (Bib Gourmand or other rating), then I see no issue with including as part of this project. Though I think we would agree the list pages that are "Michelin-starred" should remain as such without the inclusion of Bib Gourmand or other Michelin ratings. Expandinglight5 (talk) 03:34, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've thought about this a bit more. I could see editors being tempted to associate articles in Category:Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand restaurants with this project. I'm not suggesting Bib Gourmand status means a business is notable, but for those restaurants that are notable, I wouldn't be bothered if they were included under the umbrella of this project. It is called WikiProject Michelin Guide, not WikiProject Michelin-starred restaurants. I don't feel strongly either way, just noting the slight discrepancy. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with limiting the scope to (current and former) Michelin-starred eateries. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree that this is only for Michelin-starred restaurants, excluding other ratings from the guide. Other ratings brings questionable notability into the project. Expandinglight5 (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Spelling Conventions
Should articles about American-located (United States) Michelin-starred restaurants be designated as using American English while Canadian, Great Britain, etc. use British English or other appropriate English dialects and the talk pages on those pages be noted accordingly and should not be changed without broad consensus? Expandinglight5 (talk) 23:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:55, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- MOS:ENGVAR and WP:RETAIN apply. (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:00, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Expandinglight5 Please let me know when this has been added to the style guide, so I can archive this section. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:57, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is now added to the style guide Expandinglight5 (talk) 02:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Archiving here, as this can now be discussed on the style guide talk page if needed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is now added to the style guide Expandinglight5 (talk) 02:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Consistent Section Name for List pages
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This should be part of the style guide once we create one but what should the Section name be titled? There are multiple versions on various Michelin-starred list pages. The following are in use: List, Year range (i.e. 2019-2024), Year range list, (i.e. 2019-2024 list), Alphabetical list, Michelin Star List, Restaurant list, List of restaurants, Alphabetic list.
Some pages do have multiple sections so in some instances there are multiple tables with year ranges. Thoughts on the labeling and syntax?
Expandinglight5 (talk) 05:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can this be moved to the talk page on the style guide?
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Another Believer Can this be moved to the style guide talk page as well?
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 03:26, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Blank cells vs. N/A template
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In lists of Michelin-starred restaurants, should we leave cells empty or use Template:N/a to show when stars were not awarded? Whatever we decide, I recommend we seek consistency. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Are there other lists that have FL status that we can reference? My inclination is to simply leave blank. I would agree that it should be consistent and what's agreed should go in the style guide. Expandinglight5 (talk) 20:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've looked a bit further into this. The Ireland list is a good example of N/A vs. Blank cells. Both on a tablet and on a desktop, the table looks better with the N/A than a blank cell. Compare that with another region such as NYC. I would propose we use the N/A. Expandinglight5 (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Another Believer Can this be moved to the talk page on the style guide? I think there are a few other style related discussions that should move as well.
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 03:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I've looked a bit further into this. The Ireland list is a good example of N/A vs. Blank cells. Both on a tablet and on a desktop, the table looks better with the N/A than a blank cell. Compare that with another region such as NYC. I would propose we use the N/A. Expandinglight5 (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
See also sections
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A lot of lists of Michelin-starred restaurants (example) have lengthy See also sections. Should we include links that also appear in Template:Lists of restaurants and Template:Michelin Corporation at the bottom of the page? ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. I'm not seeing in possibly relevant guidelines (MOS:REPEATLINK and MOS:NOTSEEALSO) that such links are explicitly prohibited. On the other hand, I think you could make arguments along the spirit of both of those guidelines that if a See also section is too long, those kinds of repeated links should be the first to go. seefooddiet (talk) 19:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm also conflicted. Simply listing every list link doesn't make sense but you could argue to list other related lists in the same country/region such as Vancouver suggesting other Canadian pages like Toronto. However, the US has many regions and perhaps that is too lengthy (and this will likely get longer as Michelin expands into more markets)? I'm inclined to remove except for perhaps 3-star listing pages where relevant as I'm not sure it's intuitive to expect to find that in the Michelin/restaurant template. List of Michelin-starred restaurants in New York City and List of Michelin-starred restaurants in Las Vegas seem to make the most sense. Thoughts?
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Another Believer Move this one to style guide talk section as well?
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
List for England
New list, thanks to User:Dtmich24 (who also made the list for Greater London):
---Another Believer (Talk) 23:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome! I'll try and create other lists as well for additional regions when I have a moment. Dtmich24 (talk) 00:24, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
First year on list highlighting
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Some Michelin-starred lists such as Florida and NYC have highlighting of restaurants in their first year on the Michelin-starred list. What is everyones opinion? Its practice is fairly inconsistent among the list pages and seems a bit redundant. Perhaps this is related to accessability? Expandinglight5 (talk) 05:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Personally I feel it should be removed. As you said, the 'first year' highlight is redundant since that can be surmised from the chart itself. Open to thoughts feeling otherwise, though. Dtmich24 (talk) 14:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Another Believer Probably should move this one to the talk page on the style guide as well.
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Moved to WikiProject Food and drink/Michelin Guide task force/Style GuideList of "Michelin starred" restaurants
English is not my native language but,shouldn't these pages and categories be titled List of Michelin-starred restaurants? Like List of Michelin-starred restaurants in New York City? (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I, too, have noticed the inconsistency of "Michelin starred" vs. "Michelin-starred" vs. "Michelin Guide starred" vs. "Michelin Guide-starred" throughout the project. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would propose Michelin starred instead of Michelin Guide starred as I've never heard them described as Michelin Guide starred either in speech or in writing. As for the hyphenation, I believe Michelin-starred is correct as it is a compound adjective of restaurant.
- Expandinglight5 (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- +1 prefer we work to use "Michelin-starred" consistently ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you want American English for a French guide? The Banner talk 10:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- ? Is "Michelin-starred" not valid in British English? Seems like it is valid per [1] seefooddiet (talk) 02:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you want American English for a French guide? The Banner talk 10:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- +1 prefer we work to use "Michelin-starred" consistently ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Categories
ResolvedAnyone able to easily move Category:Michelin Guide starred restaurants and subcategories appropriately, or, do we need to start a move discussion? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- They are handled at speedy. I'll do it in a while. (CC) Tbhotch™ 00:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- The categories are now tagged and they will be moved within the next 72 hours. (CC) Tbhotch™ 06:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! We can mark this section as resolved once the categories are moved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw a lot of corrections on this category. Does anyone know if the speedy job is complete? Expandinglight5 (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's missing a few. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the categories have all been moved. Shall we consider this issue resolved? ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've uncollapsed the entire category tree and I think we're set here. Marking as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:18, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's missing a few. (CC) Tbhotch™ 23:21, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw a lot of corrections on this category. Does anyone know if the speedy job is complete? Expandinglight5 (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! We can mark this section as resolved once the categories are moved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- The categories are now tagged and they will be moved within the next 72 hours. (CC) Tbhotch™ 06:59, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:16, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Lists
ResolvedAnyone able to easily move Lists of Michelin starred restaurants and all of the entry lists, for consistency, or do we need to start some sort of move request? ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Expandinglight5: Would you say the lists are currently consistent and appropriately named? If so, I'll mark this section as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe they are all corrected and consistent. Expandinglight5 (talk) 05:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree, thanks for your help here! ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe they are all corrected and consistent. Expandinglight5 (talk) 05:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Dinner by Heston Blumenthal
The article alert page is not working properly but Dinner by Heston Blumenthal is at GAR. (CC) Tbhotch™ 08:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Bummer, but the article was promoted 12 years ago and definitely needs some work. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Tbhotch Thanks for improving the entry! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Update: The article remains Good! Archiving this section. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)