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Greek radio and television stations[edit]

New User:Trapezanidis 1453 has been creating a number of these, probably translating from Greek Wikipedia. It might be useful for someone from this project to assist him with infoboxes, cats, notability for broadcasters and English. I have left a note on his talk page suggesting the same. All the best: Rich Farmbrough17:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC).

Notable on-air staff[edit]

I've went back and forth on this subject over the years.

But the way I see it now, I don't think we should be listing every single person that's ever worked at a TV station (that's just copying and pasting from the station website, which often isn't up to date anyway).

But if they've been featured in some publication, then I think they should be included somewhere in the "News operation" section. For example, Bob Reeves of KFVS-TV's retirement was mentioned in Daily Journal Online while the death of Don McNeely (also of KFVS) was mentioned in The Southeast Missourian. Both are local publications, which means they're more notable than for example Carly O'Keefe (where the only info you'll find is the official KFVS website, Topix and Linkedin). But unless they're notable like Sam Champion or Matt Lauer, then they shouldn't have an article about them.

Personally I think as long as sources exist outside of the station website, they should be included, as it's part of the station history. It's mostly the ones that have worked at a station for 20+ years (mostly in the medium or larger markets, end up retiring, or have garnered extensive media attention, long running anchor teams like Rod Wood/Carrie Lazarus of WSYR) that end up in the newspapers anyway, so it's not like these pages are going to get bloated or anything with every person that just happened to work there for a long time.

What does everyone else think constitutes notability as far as the on-air staff? When to include them and what sources to use? —Mythdon 21:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a good compromise to me.--Chaswmsday (talk) 21:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I've always been comfortable with the official rule, that staff should only be listed in the article if they're independently notable and thus have a biographical article to link to. However, I'm fully aware that people have never followed that rule very well, and keep trying to readd non-notable staff anyway — but as a Canadian I only bother to do anything about it on Canadian television stations, and rarely pay much attention to what's happening on American ones. Bearcat (talk) 19:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@Bearcat: I think your suggestion is more reasonable than the one I initially came up with. As evidence by my comments in this sections. I've backed away from adding any staff without independent notability. —Mythdon (トーク) 20:06, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Why limit to only independently *notable* staff?? Not each and every fact or bit of prose in *any* WP article is independently notable. Why *not* allow a well-sourced fact that an on-air staff member worked at a station, as we would allow for any other well-sourced fact?? --Chaswmsday (talk) 23:30, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
@Chaswmsday: Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion.—Mythdon (talk/contribs) 11:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Firstly, not every staff member people might want to add to an article is actually reliably sourced at all. Much more often the names are added either unsourced, or referenced only to the station's self-published website — and even if a properly independent reliable source is added, it still might be just a glancing namecheck of that person's existence in an article about something else.
Secondly, because such content doesn't necessarily stay current: if the primary source gets taken down because the staff member has left for another job, the link's death may not get noticed and the person's name may not get removed promptly.
Thirdly, because if the person isn't independently notable in their own right, then what reason is there for any reader to actually give a flying fig about the information? It's not our mission to be an WP:INDISCRIMINATE source of every possible tidbit of information about everything or everyone who exists — our mission is to curate what's important and valuable information and what isn't, so the question is not "does a source exist for this person's name", but "why would it be important for this person's name to appear in the article at all"? If I don't live in a station's broadcast area, then the names of its non-notable staff don't mean squat to me — and if I do live in a station's broadcast area, then I already know who its reporters and anchors are without needing Wikipedia to tell me. So either way, the information has done absolutely nothing useful for me. The basis for including a staff member's name in a television station's article obviously changes if that staff member is independently notable in his or her own right, and thus has a Wikipedia article to link to — but if they aren't and don't, then the information is useless trivia about a person I've probably never heard of whose employment status I have no reason to care about. Bearcat (talk) 15:57, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Should slogans be listed?[edit]

Same reason I don't think station branding, syndicated programming or graphics changes. Thoughts? —Mythdon (トーク) 03:12, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree that it's probably pointless trivia, but as consensus previously allowed them it would take a discussion of more than just one or two people to overturn that. Could you show an example or two of where you think it might be getting excessive? Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

How should listing the switch to HD be handled?[edit]

The problem is many of these aren't sourced ([1] [2]) and can be taken for granted as being true anyway.

On the other hand, I was able to source WSIL-TV's to the official website (although I know that's a WP:PRIMARY source, better than no source).

Personally I think unless it can at least be sourced to the station's website, better yet, has been covered in the market's local newspaper, then it shouldn't be listed, since by now most stations are already taken for granted as offering local news in HD without every article needing to say "on [such and such date] [station] began offering local news in HD". Thoughts?—Mythdon (talkcontribs) 23:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)