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I was asked for an independent opinion on these articles. I am not a scout, and have only lived in PA for a few years, but in reading through these articles, I would endorse the comments to keep them independent and not merge them. They are OK as stand alone articles, and for a reader who is not familiar with these organizations, the separate articles are fine. Scott Mingus01:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
agree to Resica merge-as per the standard which was set and agreed upon early in 2006. The only reasonable exceptions to established policy would be if a camp had a significance beyond the local region-i.e. a camp where a National or World Jamboree was held, or a longstanding national program available to the bulk of Scouts was created there, or similarly significant outside of its vicinity. So the first Scout camp on Mars, or the camp where President Schwarzenegger reaches peace between North and South Koreas, would be good candidates for stand alone articles. Chris17:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree I disagree with the policy (as Chris knows.
I think that the article is substantial enough to stand on its own.
The policy exists (as you acknowledge above), and has for over half a year. That you disagree does not give you the right to revert merges. I have established policy behind me on this, and the Scouting project facilitator has acknowledged that camps are sub-council entities and so fall under the policy. Chris00:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The policy is shortsighted, wrong and against the wiki spirit. If more than three people cared about it, maybe we could change it. --evrik00:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is a cross-project discussion. Recall, WP:CCC. This violates that, which says consensus can change. It formerly was called No Binding Decisions. If two WikiProjects have dissenting conventions, perhaps it should come up for some kind of vote? Personally, I am opposed to merging these articles, as they both have substance to them. --myselfalso01:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
disagree to TI merge-Of sub-national camps, thus far only Treasure Island meets the standard above, (as it is the home of the Order of the Arrow) while Resica does not. Chris17:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, meets even the Scouting project's guidlelines for notability as the home of the Order of the Arrow and one of the oldest Scout camps in the USA. Ruhrfisch02:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, someone can. This article doesn't meet Wikipedia standards for acceptable content.
For instance, the first paragraph. The only citation is an article that says the city of Philadelphia is evicting the scouts because they won't stop discriminating. Nothing there to say that the council was formed in 1996, nothing there to say that CLC was formed by merging the Philadelphia and Valley Forge Councils, nothing to say that it's the largest council in Pennsylvania, and third-largest in the BSA.
The next three sections, consisting of history, scout camps, and order of the arrow, have no cites whatsoever to back up what is being said.
WIKIPEDIA IS NOT GEOCITIES. You can't just write whatever you please; if it hasn't been published by another reliable source, it has no place in Wikipedia.
