Talk:Yiddish language

taytsh-tiutsch vs. Yiddish-German

And this is just silly:

(taytsh, a variant of the contemporary name of 'the language otherwise spoken in the region'; compare the modern Deutsch)

This particular edit seems to have been made to avoid linking to the language that dare not speak its name.

Colonel Mustard 15:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The silly stuff was an attempt to shy away from calling the early language "Yiddish" (a term that wasn't to turn up until a few centuries later), and equally to avoid comparing it "German" (a term that wasn't to turn up until a few centuries later). I've now added an explicit reference to Middle-Darenotspeakitsname. --futhark 16:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Thanks, reads better now. Please pardon my clumsy, hostile tone, I assumed you were trying to repoliticise the Yiddish article, but that was a bit silly of me - in fact, you've improved the article immensely. Colonel Mustard

13:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I take it vaybertaytsh is not a dialect form of Standard German "Weiberdeutsch" and it would be best if English speaking readers were not given the impression it is. I apologise for my ignorance.

84.135.202.75 17:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, it is. Because in my dialect it is exactly called as in Yiddish. Standard German "eu" (oi) becomes "ai" (like in 'i'ce) in Yiddish and Austro-Bavarian, for instance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinesischer Weltenwandler (talk • contribs) 10:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

vaybertaytsh is a typographic designation

In German, the term Weiberdeutsch is used to designate the Yiddish language. However appropriate that may be, and whatever argument may be made for the use of German in English language articles (especially in one that does not regard Yiddish as a dialect of Standard German), in English discourse about Yiddish the term vaybertaytsh designates a typeface. Although the terms vaybertaytsh and Weiberdeutsch are obviously cognates, they do not have the same meaning in the context of this article. It can also be questioned if this use of taytsh is a noun cognate to Deutsch or is derived from the verb taytshn, which means to render something into legible Yiddish. --futhark 10:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The verb taytshn is cognate with Deutsch. AJD 15:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

taytshn's Standard German form would be "deutschen" (in Austro-Bavarian i would say deitschn/daytshn which comes very close to Yiddish) and that means - hypothetically - "to German", so to translate something into German. This comes from the time when Yiddish was regarded as a normal German dialect (like Austro-Bavarian, East Prussian, Dutch(!), Switzertütsch, ...) and therefore simply called "taytsh". In my dialect I call it "daitsch", the Swiss call it "tüütsch", the Dutch call it "Dietsch" - they all mean/meant their form of the German language. I think their is a problem of the definition of the word "German" in some corners of the world. "German" does not necessarily mean "belonging to the BRD", but, for instance, linguistics still speak of a German dialect continuum from Dutch (a word which was used in former times to designate all continental German(ic) dialects and comes from "deutsch") to (Switzerland) Alemannic - without meaning the Netherlands, Luxemburg, (parts of) Belgium, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, South Tyrol belong to a common German(ic) empire.

The fact that Dutch is usually considered an independent language with official status (in the Netherlands) and Switzerland Alemannic is not (in Switzerland), is pure hazard. In a parallel world, the official language of the Netherlands may be German, whereas Switzerland's official language may be Alemannic. Pure hazard. So to put it into a nutshell, taytsh and taytshn both come from the word whose High German Standard form is nowadays "deutsch". --User:Chinesischer_Weltenwandler 12:31, 28. Heuert/Juli 2011 (MEZ) 10:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Place among german language dialects

From what dialects yiddish do derive from? As I know, it isn't dialects of Rhineland, but eastern dialects of High german. Do yiddish derives from saxonic dialects? Or from Bavarian dialects? Dresden? There are lot of articles about yiddish, but they don't say, from witch dialects it developed. But, I think, this is rather important question. 91.190.44.4 (talk) 13:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah as a native speaker of Austro-Bavarian I can say that Yiddish sounds close to my dialect, I read some Yiddish texts with German transcription (Latin letters) and it appeared to me as being evolved from Eastern German dialects, for instance Silesian, with a mixture of other German forms as well. Overall Yiddish is closer to my dialect than Dutch, often regarded as German's sister language. Speaker of Low German understand Dutch easilier, speaker of High German understand Yiddish easilier (due to the fact of "lautverschiebung", which divides Low German/Prussian/Dutch and High German/Austro-Bavarian/Alemannic/Schweizerdeutsch). Nevertheless, Yiddish has not all (but allmost all) of the typical "lautverschiebung"-sounds, so I would locate its origin in Middle Germany. --Benutzer:Chinesischer_Weltenwandler, 12:18, 28. Heuert/Juli 2011 (MEZ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinesischer Weltenwandler (talk • contribs) 10:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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