Talk:Air France–KLM

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Logo is outdated.[edit]

Now that the Air France logo has been tweaked, the space between "AIR" and "FRANCE" in the Air France-KLM logo has been removed as well. Anyone good with SVGs? SergioGeorgini (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Locations of AF-KLM offices[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supplementary texts[edit]

WhisperToMe (talk) 05:17, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

asking for an aircraft/incident section[edit]

Tenerife airport disaster, operator KLM (before the merger), is not mentioned, and seems significant, as the largest airplane disaster in history by fatalities. Asking for an accident/incident section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_disasters_by_death_toll#Aviation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster Yen10k (talk) 11:55, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its because Air France-KLM is a holding company and not actually an airline, accident and incident stuff is in the individual airline articles (KLM and Air France). MilborneOne (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
thank you, that makes perfect since, found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLM#Incidents_and_accidents, no need for this section that i put here on the talk page, can be deleted Yen10k (talk) 18:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Fleet[edit]

Fleet overview was here for 5,5 years. Why does it disturb someone? Where to put this overview? Fleet management is common at holding level (e.g. they ordered the B787 and A350 for the holding and the distribution is not fixed) so there is a reason for a fleet overview section here.

Deleting information is only reasonable if that information is false (at least unproven to be true) or for some other reasons misleading. This is not the case here. Maybe the holding company does not legally own the aircraft, but they definitely belong to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baloghadamsoftware (talk • contribs) 12:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The key question is "does this company operate any aircraft?" The answer is "no". There could be links to the Air France and KLM fleets, but this company does not have a fleet. - Ahunt (talk) 13:09, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Links are not enough. It forces the user to summarize manually. Why deny such a summary from the user? You can call it "Fleet summary", or "Merged fleet" or something, but the holding indirectly owns all the aircraft, and has a common fleet management when it comes to new aircraft. Baloghadamsoftware (talk) 13:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This listing is obviously a maintenance nightmare. If the fleet of one of the subsidiaries changes, and the Wiki article is updated by an editor, than this article is no longer verifiable (that is one part of why Wikipedia can never be a reliable source). Arnoutf (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support deletion, an airline holding company does not operate or own any aircraft and listing the fleets operated by the held airline companies is really just synthesis, the fleets dont operate together or are interchangable, and have no connection. Each airline has a list of aircraft types which are easily accessible for any reader that is interested. MilborneOne (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Despite my recent edits to cull misleading and/or unattributed information and irrelevant guff from the table, I also support outright deletion, for the same reasons as are given by MilborneOne. YSSYguy (talk) 22:44, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has run almost a week and seems to have come to a conclusion. The consensus is that the fleet lists of the subsidences do not belong here, so I will remove them. - Ahunt (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then why not delete it from franchise brands as well, e.g. United Express, American Eagle or Delta Connection? What you wrote above is completely true for it. It is very sad that some people do not contribute positively just delete something which was there for more than 5 years. Nobody was hurt by that. I renamed it, it was well explained. Baloghadamsoftware (talk) 07:06, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We had a discussion, no one else agreed with you. See WP:CONSENSUS. As far as other articles go, you need to bring that up on the talk pages for those articles. This discussion was about this article. - Ahunt (talk) 11:38, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I was not the one who created the Fleet section. Some guy created it long ago and nobody tried to undo his/her contribution. I was surely not the only reader of this page for 5.5 years. Then came a guy who never made any constructive contribution to this page, just deleted the section. So if it was not deleted (and even maintained by different users) for 5,5 years, there was surely an agreement between the real editors of the page (the ones who contributed in a positive way) that this section was useful. I am for example not really interested in the financial part, but would never try to delete it because I know it is useful for others. I am constructive, not destructive, sorry. Baloghadamsoftware (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter how long something was in the article, page contents are decided by consensus. - Ahunt (talk) 22:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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