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Section about the Communist Era needs revision[edit]

It reads as incredibly biased right now. Portraying the entire Communist era in a negative way. That is not in keeping with the impartial neutral tone expected of an encyclopedia article. I am aware the people likely editing this page are biased but still, they need to control themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.158.163.211 (talk) 01:29, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the map in the demographic section[edit]

I am aware that the map tries to depict areas where ethnic or linguistic minorities exist alongside an albanian majority , however it is inaccurate and it confuses the reader by giving the impression that 20 % of the Albanian territory belongs to ethnic minorities . What is more important is that the map is not sourced , and it seems that an editor in the past took some time to put some paint on a map of Albania and present it as a reality ... As per WP:NOR this map clearly does not belong there , and it results in a nationalistic POV pushing .

Gjirokastra15 (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

The file page seems to list several sources. --Local hero talk 16:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Those sources do not include this particular map , rather they are the material that the editor has used for his/her wp:original work . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 16:39, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Using reliable sources to make a map is an acceptable practice and is not considered original research. Only when you find an obvious fault with the map you can remove it. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough Dr.K , however i think that the description of the image needs rewording in order to properly give the appropriate context and what the map is actually depicting . Said otherwise , i think that the description needs to clarify more the fact that those marked regions do not imply a minority plurality , otherwise a reader might get the wrong idea . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 17:52, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Gjirokastra. I have no objection to your proposal. Please go ahead and modify the caption. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:56, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you too Dr.K , i am glad that we managed to find a consensual platform which can both resolve the raised concerns and keep the map in the demographic section . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


I don't understand why my comment was removed?! Furyan-10 (talk) 20:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Click on this and look on the left, these are the two comments you removed when you replied. You can reply but without removing comments of others. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:47, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

None of the sources used to make the map say that the presence of minority languages is "historical". This is blatant source misrepresentation. Athenean (talk) 17:49, 30 December 2014 (UTC) ¨

I do not understand your objection , if they are not historically there , then when did they come in those lands ? Please do not try to create something out of nothing . In addition i hope you understand that one of those map states the year 1918 in it ? Gjirokastra15 (talk) 18:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be a lot you don't understand, such as the fact that most of the sources used are current and not "historical". By saying "historical" you are trying to imply that those languages were formerly spoken in those areas, but are no longer. This would be consistent with the rest of your previous attempts at doing everything you can to minimize the mention of the Greek minority in Albania, which seems to be the only reason you are editing wikipedia these days. Athenean (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Please leave the personal attacks out of this discussion as per wp:npa , we are not in a forum here , and hopefully all of us are intelligent enough to maintain a civil discussion . In addition , i hope you are able to see that those sources present a map that contains 300% LESS lands than that depicted on the map here in wikipedia . As per wp:nor this map being an original work , has no place there because simply based on the sources the map is WRONG .... yet i did not remove it . But if you insist i might forward this subject to the No original research noticeboard Gjirokastra15 (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
I have to add that Gjiro. insists on wp:IDONTLIKEIT, apart from grabbing the opportunity to support ip created disruption. The map was the result of cooperation from various experienced wikipedians (Greek&Albanians&others) & is supported by multiple references (academic too, L.M. Dipolmatique etc.).Alexikoua (talk) 07:54, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
This is almost comical , what i see on the file history of the image , is you war editing with an Albanian editor over it . So no this map is not the result of cooperation , far from that actually . In addition there seems to be a lack of ability to understand the essence of the problem , said more simply the map has NOT been removed and a consensus was established long ago with Dr.K for whom i have great respect . However , if you 2 people insist ( Alexikoua and Athenean ) i can forward this matter to the No original research noticeboard , given the fact that the sources present only 40 % of the colored area of the map existing in wikipedia . And to refresh your memories : "No original research" (NOR) is one of three core content policies that, along with Neutral point of view and Verifiability, determines the type and quality of material acceptable in articles." Shall we leave this behind us ? Or shall we consume our wikipedia lives in a pointless discussion given the fact that you two create a conflict out of nothing ? Gjirokastra15 (talk) 12:23, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Is that a threat ("if you two people insist...")? You should never make threats, particularly empty ones. It only reduces your (already low) credibility even more. Athenean (talk) 12:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
The only credibility that i see getting dramatically reduced is yours for making accusations that do not stand . At this point i feel that it is in my best interest to let your comment do all the speaking for me ... Gjirokastra15 (talk) 12:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Ok, so since you are not against the map, I've added it to another article [1]. Happy New Year! Athenean (talk) 17:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
In principle i am not against it although it could be avoided for the reasons stated above . Happy new year to you too !Gjirokastra15 (talk) 04:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I see so much arrogance in your words!. Gjirokastra15 said several times that he is against the map, nevertheless was able to find an common agreement and the map is still in the demographic section even though should not be there, because based on the sources the map is wrong. We don't see maps showing the historical presence of Albanians in Greece and, as we all know it's a fact readily demonstrated! We have plenty of sources. Furyan-10 (talk) 22:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the latest edits by the user Kj1598[edit]

Although some of his edits are an added value to the article , others are a removal of established content as per wp:idontlikeit . Removal of maps , removal of all of the images , of texts and sources . In addition , this user seems to operate multiple ip accounts , massively editing the whole Albanian article as per his own 'image' : 167.187.100.193 , 2602:306:C480:15E0:9989:74DB:40FC:50B9 , 108.72.1.94 . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Gjirokastra15: I think you might mean Kj1595 (talk · contribs), not Kj1598. --220 of Borg 13:08, 9 January 2015 (UTC)