Talk:Apache OpenOffice

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De-historicising[edit]

I left a pile of dangling references but have to dash out for the day all of a sudden! Cleanup welcomed :-) - David Gerard (talk) 10:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Fonts[edit]

The list of included fonts is probably not inaccurate, but two of the refs are about OOo from 2008 and 2010. Anything about AOO specifically? - David Gerard (talk) 15:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

... and IBM Symphony[edit]

They went on at length about all the merges from the Symphony code drop, and IBM has declared AOO the successor to Symphony, so I've included AOO 4.0 as being descended from that. 3.4 to 4.0 changes, really quite a lot are from Symphony - David Gerard (talk) 23:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal[edit]

moved to Talk:OpenOffice.org, where the original separation was discussed

Move request[edit]

FYI, I've opened a move request at OpenOffice to move it back to OpenOffice (disambiguation) and redirect OpenOffice to Apache OpenOffice. --Tóraí (talk) 09:55, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

It also contributed Oracle-owned ... at the suggestion of IBM ... as IBM did not want[edit]

David, the revert you made here relates to an identical sentence that you've been tackled on over at OpenOffice.org.

It's a three clause sentence that combines statements appearing in separate sources into one larger statement that is not supported by any source by itself. The individual parts are fine - but as a whole it is the very definition of the synthesis (i.e. original research).

Can you please break it up into individually supported parts? Otherwise, it has to be removed form both articles as original research. Thanks, --Tóraí (talk) 23:01, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

What part is synthesis? That's what happened, and that's the cites for it. In particular, the IBM document about IBM's preference for permissive licencing states directly that it was IBM that had "chosen to engage with the Apache Software Foundation" - David Gerard (talk) 11:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
What single source supports the whole sentence in its entirety ("It also contributed Oracle-owned ... at the suggestion of IBM ... as IBM did not want ...")? If none do then it's original research. --Tóraí (talk) 19:11, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
I've marked the specific parts of the sentence that aren't supported by the references. If you can show where the reference do support these parts then good and well. --Tóraí (talk) 19:25, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
In [1], per [2] I've changed "at the suggestion of" to "by the preference of" ("It now seems that IBM, which has invested millions in OpenOffice over the years, and uses it as the basis for its Symphony office suite, preferred the option of OpenOffice being spun off to The Apache Foundation.") and the second, the IBM essay cited [3] states their preference for permissive licensing and several paragraphs about their objections to copyleft in this particular case, and that this as why they engaged with Apache. You're arguing with the actual text of the sources and of an IBM-sourced statement of their actual motives - David Gerard (talk) 15:37, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
That doesn't work, David. I don't see where either of those sources say why "[Oracle] also contributed Oracle-owned code to Apache for re-licensing under the Apache License". Let alone whether IBM had any influence on that decision.
I've split the sentence up. This means each part can either stand or fall by its own merits. Doing so exposes how the second and third clause of the original sentence are unsupported by the references given. --Tóraí (talk) 21:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I've rephrases these sentences to match closer to the sources. I think it now says both what you want it to say and matches the sources. --Tóraí (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Your present wording's okay by me. I recall emails on the Apache lists clarifying precisely what Oracle had and hadn't done regarding the copyright (it was a very confusing thing they did), I may or may not go dredging through again - David Gerard (talk) 16:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)