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- 1 Lead photo montage
- 2 Article overhaul edit summary
- 3 Parks and Recreation Data
- 4 Structure
- 5 Captions for skyline pics in the neighborhood section
Lead photo montage
I counted nine pictures in the lead montage, which is easily 3-4 more snapshots than the other major cities of the world. Atlanta is a fine city, and you really don't have to try so hard. Just some friendly advice...--Chimino (talk) 13:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
The newest photo Montage has 3 images of the Atlanta skyline + 1 of Manhattan? Why? I don't have the time/images on hand to make a change. Does anyone have anything? Cwkimbro (talk) 17:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Article overhaul edit summary
It took a lot of work, but I think the Atlanta article (hereinafter “Atlanta”) is ready for FA nomination. I conducted a complete re-write of the article, removing large amounts of unnecessary information, substituting outdated information with new information, and completely re-structuring the order and flow, from top to bottom. It’s impossible to explain every change here, but I will attempt a summary of what I have done. However, some may wonder what basis I used for my edits. I conducted the overhaul of the article using a hybrid of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline (hereinafter “Guideline”) and FAs San Francisco, Detroit, Houston, and Boston (hereinafter “FAs”) as guides. The end result is a hyrbid article that combines the formatting of those pages.
Again, I just want to clarify that my single motivation for the edits I have made was for Atlanta to become an FA. There was a lot of info removed, but please, PLEASE do not think it was personal or to further an agenda. Again, my sole motivation was for Atlanta to become an FA.
This section was completely re-wrote it mostly using the FAs as a guide. However, according to the Guideline, “[t]his section should include a description of the cultural aspects of the city, such as points of interest, museums, libraries...”, not a list of people from the city.
What musical artists are from the city doesn’t really have to do with its culture, and that is covered under the List of people from Atlanta. I did set aside a paragraph to give an overview of Atlanta’s role in certain genres; however, I only included the ones it had a central or contributing role in (hip-hop, Southern Rock) and left out genres it only played a minor role in (blues, grunge).
Atlanta is no Los Angeles. Unlike that city, where the film industry is such an integral part of the city’s economy that it seeps into the city’s culture, Atlanta’s film industry is purely an aspect of the city’s economy. Thus, I moved it to that section. Perhaps in time Atlanta’s film industry will become so ever-present that it extends to the city’s culture. However, right now, it is purely an economic element.
I’m not sure why the History section was so short. Houston was established the same year as Atlanta, yet its history section was about three times as long as Atlanta. A lot has happened in Atlanta, and many key events had been omitted, despite their significance. The current incarnation of the history section is a very succinct summary of the main History of Atlanta article.
I removed information about metro Atlanta from every section except “Economy.” This article is about the city, not the metro. However, for the economy, it is impossible to separate the city from the metro. Including references to the metro in a section like Demographics is not appropriate nor necessary.
As a religious person, it does sadden me to see how much it has been scrubbed from the public sphere. Wikipedia is no exception, and not a single FA article included religion, and the Guideline offered no advice to whether it should be included (it isn’t in the Guideline template). Perhaps we can find a way to work it into the demographics section?
All the information about gentrification, arguably the most relevant and influential factor in the composition of contemporary Atlanta, affecting everything from demographics, economy, to politics, was removed. I restored this information.
Atlanta’s tree canopy is unique, and as such, it can be classified as a “topic specific to the city.” The Guideline suggested topics specific to a city be placed at the end of an article. The previous incarnation places the tree canopy in the parks section, which is a bit inaccurate, since I would guess that most of the city’s trees are not located in parks.
I removed the information about demographics from the lede, since Atlanta’s current demographic makeup is not notable enough to warrant mention in the lede, as the city’s demographics are in-line with almost every other majority or plurality black city on the east coast:
- Atlanta: 54.0% African American, 38.4% white, 3.1% Asian and 0.2% Native American, other races 2.2%, two or more races 2.0%. Hispanics of any race, 5.2%.
- Washington, D.C.: 50.7% African American, 38.5% white, 3.5% Asian, and 0.3% Native American, other races 4.1%, two or more races 2.9%. Hispanics of any race 9.1%.
- Baltimore: 63.7% African American, 29.6% white, 2.3% Asian, 0.4% Native American, other races 0.2%, 2.1% of two or more races. Hispanics of any race, 4.2%.
- Philadelphia: 43.4% African American, 41% white, 6.3% Asian, .5% Native American. Other races 5.9%, two or more races 2.8%. Hispanics of any race, 12.3%.
A lede should be general, not specific. The only demographic information that needs to be present is the city’s population. Other information, including demographic trends, should only be addressed in the proper section.
Parks and Recreation Data
The article states: "... 63% of Atlantans live within a 10-minute walk of a park, placing the city just above the national average of 62%."
This data is from 2012 and inaccurate. According to the Trust for Public Land's 2013 ParkScore rankings - which analyzes acreage, access, and service/investment in city park systems - 64% of Atlantans live within a 10-minute walk of a park, placing the city at the national average (of 64%). Source 1Source 2
Also, it would be useful to include a sentence about the city's ParkScore ranking. This would give readers context about the success of Atlanta's city park system as compared to the 50 most populous cities in the US. Atlanta ranks 31st, tied with Tulsa. It has a raw score of 45/100.
I tried to update this information twice, but it has been reverted back to its original content. Can anyone tell me why this information is being deleted?
- Sorry, I was the one reverting it. I mischaracterized the source as unreliable, so that was my mistake. I added the ParkScore content, but put it in a place that preserves the structure and flow of the paragraph.--Mmann1988 (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
- No worries. Thanks for your help with this. The information sounds great and flows nicely!
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 16:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Captions for skyline pics in the neighborhood section
Hi. User:Mmann1988 brought up some very valid points in making an edit I reverted regarding the 3 photos in the cityscape section. The captions read: Downtown, Midtown and Uptown. Mmann brought up the point that uptown section of Atlanta is called Buckhead, and wants to change the caption on the photo to indicate that. I don't necessarily disagree with him, but as it is now, stylistically, it gives a symmetry to the photos, and while Buckhead is correct, Uptown is not incorrect. I think Buckhead is more correct, but Uptown fits in more with the layout. Rather than simply change it, I thought it might be good to get other's thoughts. Onel5969 (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
- It should remain Buckhead until consensus is reached that "Uptown," which is not a place, should be used instead. Uptown would be incorrect, as it is not a proper noun when used to refer to Buckhead. Perhaps "the uptown district of Atlanta" would work, but Uptown, as a proper noun, would be incorrect.--Mmann1988 (talk) 19:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)