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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved to CS Universitatea Craiova (football). --BDD (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CSU Craiova → CS Universitatea Craiova – CSU is the abbreviation of CS Universitatea, the name used on the official site of the club, http://www.csuc.ro/. The page of the other club pretending to be the legitimate successor of the old Universitatea is called FC Universitatea Craiova, so we should have the long name (Universitatea instead of U) here too Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC) 79.117.179.219 (talk) 11:11, 30 rOctober 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. The Romanian Federation use CS U, not universitatea Acornboy (talk) 23:17, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Acornboy - can you please provide a link for this claim? 79.117.176.177 (talk) 05:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The link: http://www.frf.ro/cluburi-liga-2-seria-2. Can you please register when you make this kind of moving requests? Acornboy (talk) 09:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
On that list it can also be found the name FOTBAL CLUB U CRAIOVA S.A. Why not to rename then FC Universitatea Craiova to FCU Craiova? We should follow the same arguments for the both teams: either FC Universitatea Craiova and CS Universitatea Craiova (option 1), or FCU Craiova and CSU Craiova (option 2) 79.117.171.195 (talk) 09:56, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not the same. FCU is legally the succesor of Universitatea Cravioa, while CSU is a new team.Acornboy (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Unsourced text[edit]

CS Universitatea Craiova's main rival is FC Universitatea Craiova, the initially team of Craiova and Oltenia football, founded in 1948, dissolved in 2011 by a FRF decision and re-afilliated in 2013. The rivalry started when FC Universitatea Craiova was evacuated from the Ion Oblemenco Stadium by the authorities to assure CS U that will play its matches on this stadium

Edit warring must stop[edit]

Editors who engage in edit warring will be blocked. The talk page is the place to work out your differences. There are ways to involve outside editors, familiar with the subject, who can help to find consensus if you cannot do so among yourselves. JodyB talk 13:16, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Some of the edits made in this page by IP editors are created in order to support this team in their ongoing dispute for the name and colors with FC Universitatea Craiova and should be deleted:

The quote from Corneliu Andrei Stroe is an opinion with no informational value, but with propaganda value; The list of former players who support this project has, is also propaganda material; There are some news sources who seems to be biased. You should go to official sites for documents.Acornboy (talk) 15:44, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please nominate the "news sources who seems to be biased"
  • fanatic.ro, for example. there are official documents for RFF regarding the team registering in Liga II.
(Reply to Acornboy) You are using a straw man argument. The source fanatik.ro was not a stake in the latest edit war and you know it very well. You did not contest it so far and it was still present in your version
  • These former players not only that support this project, but they also have leadership positions in the club. There is a common practice to mention the club officials (see for instance Manchester United F.C.#Club_officials)
  • In that lists are a lot of former players without any position.
(Reply to Acornboy) Please nominate a former play without any position that I included in that paragraph 86.127.21.98 (talk) 09:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I maintain my thinking that the opinion of the president of Craiova Maxima is relevant in this context, let some neutral editors express their opinion on this 86.127.19.126 (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit requested[edit]

Could someone please disambiguate the Nike link to [[Nike, Inc.|Nike]]? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 23:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit requested on 8 December 2013[edit]

The quote from Corneliu Andrei Stroe is an opinion supporting this team in the name dispute with FC Universitatea Craiova. Since the dispute could only be solved by justice, not by officials involved in this project, the quote must be removed or, in order to balance the information, should be added quotes from former players who doesn't support this team, as this one:

"I think FC U Craiova is the real team, that of Mititelu. Both should play on the Ion Oblemenco stadium and the Oltenia soul will be where the fans go in greater numbers."

— Ilie Balaci, former Craiova Maxima star player

Acornboy (talk) 09:33, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The requested edit is not a valid one, it is controversial and I solicit its rejection. The text contains strange English phrasing ("Oltenia soul" ???) and puffery (star player) 86.127.21.98 (talk) 09:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I give up. Let the relevance of Wikipedia to be established by the marketing department of this team.Acornboy (talk) 11:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:50, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit requested - year of foundation[edit]

There was a dispute in press about the year of foundation (it was claimed by some that this club is not the continuer of the of the club from 1948, but new official documents have been handed to Liga Profesionistă de Fotbal and it was shown that this club was actually founded in 1948 (here it is the info in Romanian language in an online magazine)

The official site of Liga Profesionistă de Fotbal was also updated accordingly. The year 1948 is mentioned as Anul infiintarii (year of establishment) on http://www.lpf.ro/club/universitatea-craiova

Therefore I'd like to ask for the following edits:

  • | founded = 2013 → | founded = 1948 (in the infobox)
  • category updates:
Category:2013 establishments in Romania → Category:1948 establishments in Romania
Category:Association football clubs established in 2013 → Category:Association football clubs established in 1948 79.117.138.57 (talk) 14:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —cyberpower ChatOnline 08:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The dispute regarding the year of foundation[edit]

I am asking User:VladShev to provide a reliable source for his claim. Cricrucra (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.csuc.ro/ro/clubul/ Citeste istoria,clubul sportiv a fost infiintat atunci in 1948, dar in 1992 clubul de fotbal a decis sa iasa din acel club sportiv, nu a mai rezistat mult si a decazut in obscuritate. IN 2013 A FOST IAR INFINTAT ACEST CLUB. Priveste cazul A.S.A Targu Mures, clubul A.S.A Targu Mures din 1962 e unul si cel infintat si aparut acum in 2013 este altul. Verifica si pe Wikipedia. [1] si [2], deci te rog nu mai insista cu anul 1948.

Am descălecat și aici . SHV 12:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The only source that you provided (http://www.csuc.ro/ro/clubul) does not validate your claim. On the contrary, it contains the phrase "Înființat: 1948" ("Founded in 1948") Cricrucra (talk) 13:45, 12 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 July 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move at this time. If evidence becomes clearer that the common name in English has switched to the newer title, then this can be revisited.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]


CS Universitatea Craiova → U Craiova 1948 CS – The new name of the club, following the FRF announcement on 22 June 2018, as per reference no. 1. Consider "CS" should be more appropriate instead of "Club Sportiv" at the title because (to me) it seems to be the practice on Wikipedia Association football portal when referring to "Football Club" or "Sports Club" words in clubs' names. See also the tooltip on the LPF website home page (lpf.ro), when pointing the mouse cursor over the Craiova logo. Would not be appropriate to call the article simply Universitatea Craiova, because that is a disambiguation article. BaboneCar (talk) 15:44, 22 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 18:11, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: Per WP:COMMONNAME, English sources still refer to the club as CS U Craiova or Universitatea Craiova.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 20:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can you please indicate what English sources in the article indicate that? Someone below referred to Soccerway, as an external source, which already switched to the new name (or another version of it). We could also consider Universitatea Craiova (football club), to not interfere with the disambiguation article (But how would you differentiate it from the other Universitatea Craiova team, the one founded earlier?). BaboneCar (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The club's name was never Universitatea Craiova, also UEFA and FRF refers to them as U Craiova.(uefa.com), (frfotbal.ro). Narcis90 (talk) 08:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is irrelevant, football clubs in Romania are banned from using words like Universitatea or National in their names, but that's the real identity of the club.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 12:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • We are not discussing here whether this is the real succesor of the old club or not. We just want to call the article the right way, the way the club is named in real life. I think the uefa.com website is a good example, as clubs like Istanbul Basaksehir are described with their full name, while Universitatea Craiova is displayed as U Craiova. BaboneCar (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The club's name meaning doesn't change. CS Universitatea Craiova and Universitatea Craiova CS being in fact the same thing, only that "CS" was moved from the beginning to the end of the word, thing certified also on soccerway.com -> [3]. Rhinen (talk) 11:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even if it is a small change in name, Wikipedia should use the current, correct and official one, in my opinion. BaboneCar (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • This small change, will change hundred of pages, leagues, seasons, players, everything that is linked with the page (changes wich most of them will not be automatic, because of the many redirections), not only the current page. Also must be a significant difference for readers between CS U Craiova and FC U Craiova 1948, you can not renamed them as U Craiova 1948 CS and U Craiova 1948 SA, this will ruin the last trace of clarity and will throw all the story in an ambiguous and unclear situation. Also the current name of the pages does not affect the meaning and identification of the teams. These two pages are also supposed to many, many vandalisms, currently; a U Craiova 1948 CS and U Craiova 1948 SA will be a disastrous situation, my opinion, causing confusion and indirectly inviting to even more vandalism. + What can a reader who don't know the situation very well understand from a situation like this? two clubs with the name differentiated by one letter? Still Oppose. Rhinen (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • PS I understand your idea/opinion, but I think that this is a very delicate situation which need a little flexible approach and tailored to the situation Rhinen (talk) 22:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • I too understand your opinion, but this is the reality. The "CS Universitatea Craiova" name belongs to the past now and Wikipedia should use the real, current name. Keeping "CS Universitatea Craiova" as the page title would be wrong because that is not the current name of the team. The changes in hundreds of pages will not be a problem as there will be redirects at the beginning that will lead to the new page, and the ambiguity between the two pages will simply be announced by a disambig hatnote template such as Template:Distinguish, or a close one and the lead section should clarify this further on. Vandalism is not an argument, in my opinion. It may go as a protected page in such a situation. As I said, even if it's a delicate situation, reality and present form should have priority. Like I said before, per the common name policy, if there are opinions supporting this we could also consider the title Universitatea Craiova (football club, 2013) or Universitatea Craiova (football club, 1948), but I can't match this with how sites such as uefa.com use the name of this team. It must follow the English sources' common naming of the team. BaboneCar (talk) 11:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • With all the respect you seems to understand nothing, Universitatea Craiova (football club, 2013) or Universitatea Craiova (football club, 1948), if you uderstand the situation, which team is founded in 1948 and which one in 2013? Eventually (football club, 2017). Plus you eliminate CS and FC to add (football club, 2013) and (football club, 1948), this is not a solution, the current situation is the best for now. Wikipedia is not the trade register or OSIM. It looks like you want to make this change only because so you like it, plus in generally you don't put numbers in the page name. Still oppose, because I consider that even the current situation is not letter by letter the official one from the papers, is 99% the same one as meaning and the most clear for the readers. Are also other examples of pages which don't have the full name, for the full name exist the infobox field (fullname). For the vandalism subject you may not consider an argument because you don't work on the pages of the Romanian football clubs, you don't work on CS Universitatea or FCU pages, you don't have any relevant contributions on both pages, you don't revert every day vandalisms after vandalisms, you don't ask for page protection monthly, you just move pages, this is your job, you move the page and then you leave us with all the work, you are happy that the page is moved and we must make people understand what is the difference between U Craiova CS and U Craiova SA, and why a letter can make such a big difference, Template:Distinguish is not used in the infobox from the players pages for example, U Craiova CS and U Craiova SA, both shortened U Craiova I suppose, in this plan of yours...and I don't respond on this subject anymore, I regret that I worked on this page and I lost my time for people who understand nothing, just read titles...oppose Rhinen (talk) 11:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
              • Yeah, you're right - I'm here just for the title. I respect and I appreciate your and everyone's work to improve this article and I think it's necessary that you stay here. At the same time I'm not an administrator or anything similar here, just a random contributor. It is not my job to move this page to another title. (I'm not paid by Wikipedia, nor by any football club.) Returning to the subject, you misunderstood my previous comments: I did not say this club is founded in 2013 and the other in 1948; I referred in both cases (suggested titles) to this club (the one that plays in Liga I today). It's sad that there is a situation like this in Romania right now, but there should be a reflection of how the club is described in external sources. Speaking about the trade register, why does it allow for such a situation to happen? Two companies using the same brand. (Or not?) BaboneCar (talk) 21:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
                • Romania is full of situation like this now, also we have ACS Poli Timișoara and ASU Politehnica Timișoara, FC Steaua București and CSA Steaua București. I try to do my best here and I'm also kind of tired to fight with this stupid situation. But if the situation exist, we must adapt and if I would agree with a move will be in U Craiova CS or Universitatea Craiova CS, without 1948. Both teams with 1948, one U Craiova 1948 CS and one U Craiova 1948 is too confusing. Initially FC U Craiova was re founded last year as U Craiova 1948, then in this summer CS Universitatea changed its name by moving CS to the back and adding 1948, rumors said that was a move to block FC U Craiova to enroll in the 3rd league, where they promoted. 4th league is a fully amateur one, so when you promote from the 4th league to the 3rd one must be affiliated to the Romanian Football Federation ( 4th league is organised by counties football association). So it seems to be a strategical move to block FC U to be promoted, but failed, FRF accepted both clubs, which is kind of strange due to their names issues. The two clubs don't have the same brand, but claim the same brand. Currently it seems that the record is separated in two parts, but is still controversial, so this move is just another strategical one in the war between the two clubs. Also the move is trying to confuse and to mislead. Sorry for reacting slightly more nervously yesterday, but I'm soooo tired of this situation that you can not imagine. Also this change will be kind of hard to represent in the infobox of the players, will appear all kind of users (with more or less knowledge about the situation) and they will make both U Craiova, both Universitatea, things like these happened frequently in the past... Rhinen (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
                  • In the players' infoboxes I believe there should be used the article name "U Craiova 1948 CS", to differentiate it from the other club. In the articles of players who have played for the club before the disaffiliation and the re-foundatoin, I believe the "Universitaea Craiova" name could be kept. BaboneCar (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:21, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree completely with Rhinen. The two clubs are named U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv and U Craiova 1948. Forget the SA, it stands for Anonymous Society and is not part of the name. The first was formerly named CS U Craiova, and the latter is known as FC U Craiova. Changing their WP:COMMONNAME to reflect the real name is wrong because it would be incredibly hard to distinguish them. Also, Universitatea is a word that cannot be used by football clubs, but CS U is known formally by this name in the media. Is not just a nickname. Strong oppose BTW, if it’s the official name we have to use, why it’s FC Steaua Bucuresti name FC FCSB? Why is not CFR Cluj name FC CFR 1907 Cluj? If it is to change the name of this article, change it to Universitatea Craiova CS, not U Craiova 1948 CS. The year of foundation is so useless.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 00:00, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Their UEFA profile lists them as U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv in the header, but as Universitatea Craiova in the fixture list. Also, they are named Universitatea in the list of participants in the Europa League. (UEFA link). They are called Universitatea by RB Leipzig, their Europa League opponents ( official site and - facebook page). They are listed as Universitatea Craiova on most of the live score sites that I know (livescore, soccerway, scorespro and goaloo). Most TV broadcasters in Romania refer to them as Universitatea Craiova at least interchangeably with U or CS U (digisport, looktv, telekomsport). I think there are enough sources calling this club Universitatea Craiova, both Romanian and international, to justify keep the current name as per WP:COMMONNAME. Especially since the current article name has the qualifier CS (as opposed to the other team which is called FC), and since using the WP:OFFICIALNAME would be confusing. mihai.zamfir30 12:51, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi, mihai.zamfir30. It's great to hear well argued opinions, even if opposing ones. I wanted to say that the Europa League page (at uefa.com) has changed since my reply to Narcis90 at 20:34, 25 July 2018. It indeed now calls the team Universitatea Craiova in the clubs and fixtures list, in which case I will support a move to one of the titles I previously suggested (Universitatea Craiova (football club, 2013) or Universitatea Craiova (football club, 1948), or maybe even or Universitatea Craiova (football club); we may discuss that in a new section after the move request is finished), I suppose in a new request, but not the current one, with the CS lettering in front, because that is not actual anymore. Regards, BaboneCar (talk) 23:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Future requested move – proposed names[edit]

As it can be observed in the discussion above this paragraph, the official name of the club (U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv) cannot be used as it will create confusion with the other Craiova team, U Craiova 1948, also known as FC U Craiova or FC U Craiova 1948.

User BaboneCar has proposed several names, of which Universitatea Craiova (football club, 2013), Universitatea Craiova (football club, 1948) and Universitatea Craiova (football club). I think the latter is the best option, as stating the year of the foundation would create yet another dispute; this club existed until 1993 and it was refounded in 2013. The Romanian Professional League regard them as the real Universitatea Craiova, UEFA has started to use the Universitatea Craiova name on their website, but the record is still being disputed with the FC U team.

As a conclusion, I think Universitatea has to appear for sure in the new name. Another suggestion would be Universitatea Craiova CS, as the year of the foundation is irrelevant (FC Dinamo Bucuresti and CFR Cluj have years in their names as well), and so it would avoid confusion with FC U. However, I have never seen this combination since the name change and so it would not meet the WP:COMMONNAME.

Reply below with your thoughts and further name proposals.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 13:10, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for creating this section, firstly. I would like to mention that the move request ended with a no consensus to move result, not because it will create confusion with the other team, but because it is not clear just yet that the proposed name has become the one most used in English sources. (The current one isn't either anymore.) I support one of the names "Universitatea Craiova (football club, 2013)" or "Universitatea Craiova (football club, 1948)" (opinions regarding the year of foundation would be appreciated), because simply "Universitatea Craiova (football club)" would create the confusion you were talking about. Disagree with "Universitatea Craiova CS", for the same reason that the move request was declined. Just for the record, I noticed we have on English Wikipedia articles titled: N.E.C. (football club), Willem II (football club), ASC Corona 2010 Brașov (football), or CSA Steaua București (football), but also FC Politehnica Iași (2010). (Consensus regarding some of these titles remains unclear though.) BaboneCar (talk) 18:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to thank you too for participating in this so we can name the article correctly. So, we have FC Politehnica Iași (1945) and FC Politehnica Iași (2010) because we know for sure when they were founded. In our case, regarding U Craiova 1948 CS, things are way more complicated. This current entity was refounded in 2013 after it dissappeared in 1993. From 1993, FC U Craiova was founded, and they also claim the history of the original club. As of now, per court orders and the Romanian Professional League, U Craiova 1948 CS is the real Universitatea. But since this dispute exists we can't be sure wether the foundation year is 1948 or 2013. That's why I simply suggested "Universitatea Craiova (football club)". FC U Craiova is not longer known as Universitatea anyway. That's my point of view, I can't think of a better option.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 22:01, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not be so passionate and call it the real Universitatea. In my opinion, it is more correct to say "the (recognized) record holder". Simply calling the article "Universitatea Craiova (football club)" would create confusion with the other club, like I already stated before. I do not agree with this title. At this moment, the only solution I find right is with "football club" and the foundation year. Even if that year may be contested. There is a foundation year in the article, right? BaboneCar (talk) 18:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are two foundation years. 1948 for the original football section of CS U Craiova sports club, and 2013 for the current refounded entity.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 20:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am reviving this discussion and suggesting the new article name should be "Universitatea Craiova (football club, 2013)", as the year of the foundation of this new entity is 2013, per the article. Express your opinions here, so we can reach an agreement to renaming this article to a correct title. The current one is wrong, as the club is not called "CS Universitatea Craiova" anymore. (Note that uefa.com and soccerway.com use simply "Universitatea Craiova" as the club's name. When you click on it they show the club's full name, "U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv".) BaboneCar (talk) 14:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article has the correct title: CS Universitatea Craiova, but not the right content as its history ended in 1991. The fact that other newly founded clubs are claiming the history of this one is causing confusions here and at Wikidata. U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv, founded in 2013, should be a separate article, same as FC U Craiova 1948. Silenzio76 (talk) 16:17, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article reads that that the LPF, the Romanian Professional League (the top tier leading board), recognizes this club as the record holder, for the titles before 1991. Also, that UEFA has not listed these accordingly for this re-founded club. It is however titled as Universitatea Craiova on the uefa.com website (here) and on Soccerway (here). Both are important English language sources, that the previous move request missed within its content. Unless someone has a different proposal, within 72 hours I will request again a move for this article to the title "Universitatea Craiova (football club)".

Requested move 21 April 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Regarding to the WP:COMMONNAME, the current title is better. If anyone wants to discuss whether we should use WP:OFFICALNAME or not, please open a new RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) B dash (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


CS Universitatea Craiova → Universitatea Craiova (football) – This club has become known as "Universitatea Craiova" in a significant number of relevant English language sources:

The article Universitatea Craiova is a disambiguation article, as there is already an article about the University of Craiova (the educational institution). Thus, a "(football)" mentioning is necessary in the title.

The title "CS Universitatea Craiova" is no longer accurate or correct, as the club has changed its full name to "U Craiova 1948 CS". BaboneCar (talk) 18:40, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I’ve seen Romanian and English sources still using CS Universitatea Craiova. Altough is not the official name anymore, is for sure used more than CS U Craiova, U Craiova or the official U Craiova 1948 CS. As you presented, simply calling the club Universitatea Craiova has also become quite common, but considering the troubles with the other entity claiming the history this could be quite misleading. I will have to think if it’s a correct decision after reading further opinions.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 10:40, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose - 'Universitatea Craiova' is clearly the short name, in the same way that English-language sources also refer to 'Juventus' and 'Barcelona' etc. GiantSnowman 08:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:OFFICIALNAME rather recommends against the use of official names, and here, this would be exactly that case. "Universitatea Craiova" is just the most common name used. This is not a case where the FC or CS abbreviations were taken away from the full name. The full official name seems to be "U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv", but that, as decided in the previous move request, is not the common name in the English language sources. Then let's move on and make a correct decision about this club's article title on Wikipedia. BaboneCar (talk) 12:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to U Craiova 1948 CS, as that's the club's actual name now. Redirects will do the rest. Number 57 09:00, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • We are talking about WP:COMMONNAME here, not the official name. Nobody calls them U Craioba 1948 CS. That's like changing Cat to felis catus.8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 19:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's well established that the de facto naming convention for football clubs is to use the formal name. See this recent RM as an example. Number 57 21:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • But it's also well established that WikiProject conventions cannot override Wikipedia's overall policies. BaboneCar (talk) 12:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
          • Consistency is one of the five main elements of WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Number 57 12:45, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
            • Wikipedia's move request process seems a little strange to me now: a previous move request at FCSB resulted in "not moved" because apparently there was no reason to include the additional abbreviation FC in the article's title, which according to your logic would have been fair to be done. BaboneCar (talk) 13:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - So we're deciding that neither the full name (with FC or CS abbreviations - see the previous move request), nor the common name (a version that was suggested in the previous move request) are acceptable? Instead, we're keeping a former name that is not used anymore, not even by English language sources? BaboneCar (talk) 12:36, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - 'Universitatea Craiova (football)' is a far too general name due to the conflict that exist including in court between CS Universitatea Craiova and FC U Craiova 1948. Also some of your sources do not support your opinion (for example soccerway) we already discussed that CS Universitatea and Universitatea CS is the same, so this problem is not in actuality, we try to move pages as few as possible, not at three months distance, especially if it's not the case. Rhinen talk 20:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The previous move request was in July 2018 and it was concluded with the fact that the page may be moved to a new name if it becomes clear that it is the one used in the most English sources. CS Universitatea Craiova is no longer the name used for this club in the English sources, nor the club's official name, so keeping this name would be wrong from the start. It seems that you just got accustomed with it, rather than it being against Wikipedia's policies. Soccerway does list it as simply Universitatea Craiova in the fixtures list and league table. We're discussing the common name here, not the full name or the official name. BaboneCar (talk) 12:11, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 14 July 2019[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 11:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CS Universitatea Craiova → Universitatea Craiova (football club) – As per formal request by the club—In July 2019, it requested the Romanian Football Federation to instead use "Universitatea Craiova" in all competitions it participates in.[1] It has also become known as "Universitatea Craiova" in a significant number of relevant English language sources, as you can see in the former Requested moved which failed. I think now is the proper moment to move this article. 8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 10:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Deciziile Comitetului Executiv din 3 iulie 2019" [The Executive Committee's decisions on 3 July 2019] (in Romanian). Romanian Football Federation. 3 July 2019. Retrieved 4 July 2019.
This is a contested technical request (permalink). 8Dodo8 (talk · contribs) 10:20, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 10:20, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per last RM. GiantSnowman 10:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. No evidence that the issues raised last time have been addressed. Andrewa (talk) 12:01, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2019[edit]

The information under title "Refounding and struggles to regain identity (2013–present)" is not completely correct. The June 2016 ruling indeed gives CSU the name "Universitatea" and the old emblem, but does not say anything about the club's records. In fact there is another ruling of 2018 that rejects CSU's claim to the records. They have nothing from before 2013. See: https://www.fanatik.ro/lovitura-pentru-cs-u-craiova-nu-are-palmaresul-istoric-al-craiovei-maxima-foto-18508743. 213.246.199.114

Thus, the current text: "CS U claimed that it owns all of the Universitatea honours,[24] and that the sports club did not offer its records to FC U Craiova, which was considered a new club; this was confirmed in justice in June 2016[25] and reaffirmed by LPF in November 2017.[5] Therefore, CS Universitatea Craiova is the rightful owner of the brand and records (excepting the 1992–93 Cupa României, claimed[7] but not officially part of CS U's honours).[26]" should be replaced with "CS U claimed that it owns all of the Universitatea honours,[24] and that the sports club did not offer its records to FC U Craiova, which was considered a new club; In June 2016, Bucharest courts confirmed that CSU may use the name "Universitatea" and the old emblem belonging to the public sports club [25], which was later reaffirmed by LPF in November 2017.[5] However, in a different judgement the Timișoara Court of Apeal rejected CSU's claims to records of the the old football team, thus they only have the 2017 Romanian Cup.[26]" Link to [26] should be changed to https://www.fanatik.ro/lovitura-pentru-cs-u-craiova-nu-are-palmaresul-istoric-al-craiovei-maxima-foto-18508743.(talk) 10:26, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. OhKayeSierra (talk) 01:26, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what is not clear, but let me try again:

Please change "CS U claimed that it owns all of the Universitatea honours,[24] and that the sports club did not offer its records to FC U Craiova, which was considered a new club; this was confirmed in justice in June 2016[25] and reaffirmed by LPF in November 2017.[5] Therefore, CS Universitatea Craiova is the rightful owner of the brand and records (excepting the 1992–93 Cupa României, claimed[7] but not officially part of CS U's honours).[26]" to "CS U claimed that it owns all of the Universitatea honours,[24] and that the sports club did not offer its records to FC U Craiova, which was considered a new club; In June 2016, Bucharest courts confirmed that CSU may use the name "Universitatea" and the old emblem belonging to the public sports club [25], which was later reaffirmed by LPF in November 2017.[5] However, in a different judgement the Timișoara Court of Apeal rejected CSU's claims to records of the the old football team, thus they are not the rightful owner of the records, but a new team, founded in 2013, which only has the 2017 Romanian Cup.[26]"" The source is: https://www.fanatik.ro/lovitura-pentru-cs-u-craiova-nu-are-palmaresul-istoric-al-craiovei-maxima-foto-18508743.

Please also change link [26] to https://www.fanatik.ro/lovitura-pentru-cs-u-craiova-nu-are-palmaresul-istoric-al-craiovei-maxima-foto-18508743. Mișu Chera (talk)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please see the extensive prior discussions here on the whole succession issue. Short version: the requested edit has been proposed over and over again but there has never been a consensus to make this change. You are, of course, welcome to solicit editor opinions here to see this has changed, as consensus can (and does) change. I suggest reading the content policy about consensus to determine what your next step may be. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2019 - complete change of this page[edit]

In light of my previous edit request (I was the one who requested the change on 25 September 2019, I did not have an account back then), which was accepted, I believe that the entire page is wrong. It speaks about two different teams not one. The latter of the two, the one founded in 2011 does not have the history and honors of the one founded in 1948. The press article I provided can be backed with the actual court ruling of 2018. Photos of the Timișoara Court of Appeals can be viewed here: https://www.facebook.com/113733342770762/photos/pcb.536415683835857/536415610502531/?type=3&theater (relevant page 1), https://www.facebook.com/113733342770762/photos/pcb.536415683835857/536415513835874/?type=3&theater (relevant page 2) and https://www.facebook.com/113733342770762/photos/pcb.536415683835857/536415367169222/?type=3&theater (relevant page 3) - I say relevant pages because, the judgment has more pages, but these are the relevant ones. The summary of the file is publicly available on the website of the Timișoara Court of Appeals at https://curteadeapeltimisoara.eu/Detalii_Dosar.aspx?id=11665%2f63%2f2014**%2fa2&idinstanta=59. Unfortunately, the actual documents may not be view. Anyhow the summery of the judgment is there, it is official. Copies of all pages may be read here https://www.facebook.com/adrianmititelu.1968/posts/2111897155803398. This is a facebook page, I know. It is all I have, but the reference number of the file is there on the first page of the judgment.

I also know that everything I have provided is in Romanian. Unfortunately, judgments of Romanian courts are rarely translated to other languages. However, a google translation of the page indicated above of the Timișoara Court of Appeals is enough to confirm that the request of CSU to the history and honors of the old club founded in 1948 was rejected.

I understand that a request to edit a pages implies a clear quotation of what there is to change. However in this case it is rather difficult to do that since changes are substantial. I will attempt to explain these changes and hope they can be accepted:

1. The page should be separated into two different pages: one page for the historical team, founded in 1948 - Universitatea Craiova and a second page for the new team CSU, founded in 2013.

2. The first page (for the historic team) should retain the following:

- chapter 1.1 - 1.5;

- chapter 2.1;

- chapter 3 with the deletion of "After some time, giving the fact that CS Universitatea Craiova acquired most of the records many new groups were founded in Peluza Nord Craiova: North Lions,[38] Vechiul Spirit Ultras, Nord Oltenia, Gruppo Sibiu, Gruppo Capitala and UNU MAI UNIT. In March 2018, FC U Craiova supporters attending a friendly game between Romania and Sweden at the Stadionul Ion Oblemenco booed CS U player Alexandru Mitriță upon being substituted out.[39] They also broke chairs, and as a response CS U fans symbolically used insecticide to "get rid of the stench" left over by Peluza Sud 97 ultras.[40]"

- in chapter 4 the note should be deleted, as well as the 2013-2014 liga II winners, 2017-2018 Cupa României winners and the reference to Supercupa României. The rest of chapter 4 may be kept.

- chapters 5 and 6 should be deleted;

- in chapter 7, under European cups all-time statistics, the following:

"Competition S P W D L GF GA GD

UEFA Champions League / European Cup 3 10 3 2 5 12 14 −2

UEFA Cup Winners' Cup / European Cup Winners' Cup 3 10 4 2 4 19 15 +4

UEFA Europa League / UEFA Cup 7 32 18 2 12 15 24 −9

Total 13 52 25 6 21 43 53 −7”

- in chapter 7, biggest victories and awards may be kept;

- in chapter 7, in league history delete everything after 2013, keep the rest;

- chapters 8 and 9 may be kept;

- references should be adjusted accordingly.

- the intro text should be replaced with the following:

"Universitatea Craiova (Romanian pronunciation: [universiˈtate̯a kraˈjova]) or U Craiova was a Romanian a professional football team based in Craiova, Dolj County.

It was founded in 1948 as the football section of the CSU Craiova sports club,[3] of which it was originally part of until 1991. During that period, it had won four national titles and five national cups. For the next two decades, its tradition was taken further by FC U Craiova, which was reorganised several times, disaffiliated in 2013 and declared bankrupt in 2016. The current state of the team is uncertain. A team founded in 2017, FC U Craiova 1948 claims to be its successor.

On the European stage, Universitatea Craiova's best performances are reaching the semi-finals of the 1982–83 UEFA Cup and the quarter-finals of the 1981–82 European Cup. They were the first Romanian team to reach the semi-finals of a UEFA tournament and remain the only one to have knocked out at least one club from each of five strongest countries in European football: England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

Craiova holds several rivalries, the most notable being the one with Dinamo București. "The Students" used to play their home matches at the Stadionul Ion Oblemenco, which used to have a capacity of 28,000. The stadium has been renovated and can currently hold 30,929 spectators. It is used nowadays by a different team created in 2013."

3. The second page (for CSU of 2013) should have the following:

- chapter 1.6, which should be amended as follows:

"On 20 July 2011, the Romanian Football Federation decided to disaffiliate FC Universitatea Craiova,[21] but the decision was attacked in court.[22] Consequently, in the summer of 2013, local authorities of Craiova, supported by Pavel Badea, and associated with Club Sportiv U Craiova SA, refounded the football section of CS U Craiova.[23] CS U claimed that it owns all of the Universitatea honours,[24] and that the sports club did not offer its records to FC U Craiova, which was considered a new club; in June 2016 Romanian Courts adjudged that CSU may use the name Universitatea[25]; this was reaffirmed by LPF in November 2017.[5] However, in a different judgement the Timișoara Court of Appeal rejected CSU's claims to records of the old football team.[26] Thus the team's honors and history only includes the matches from 2013 to today.

On 14 August 2013, CS Universitatea Craiova was provisionally affiliated to the Romanian Football Federation, following complications with licensing file.[27] After resolving the issues, the club was introduced in Liga II, the second tier of the Romanian league system. Universitatea made its season debut on 27 August, with a 6–1 success over Pandurii II Târgu Jiu in the fourth round of the Romanian Cup.[28] In the 2013–14 Liga II season, CS Universitatea Craiova and FC U Craiova met in two direct matches, which gave rise to a lot of tension and uncertainty regarding the true identities of the clubs. CS Universitatea Craiova promoted back to Liga I in 2014.

After the promotion, Universitatea ended the 2014–15 campaign on the 5th place.[29] This result was followed by an 8th place in the 2015–16 season and a 4th place at the end of the 2016–17 season, the latter ensuring qualification to European competitions. The comeback brought an important opponent in the third qualifying round of the UEFA Europa League, Italian side A.C. Milan, Craiova leaving the competition after 0–3 on aggregate.[30][31] On 27 May 2018, Universitatea won its first trophy after beating second tier club Hermannstadt in the Cupa României final. The game ended 2–0 and was hosted by the Arena Națională in Bucharest.[32] One month later, the Romanian Football Federation approved an application to change the name of the society from "Club Sportiv U Craiova SA" to "U Craiova 1948 Club Sportiv SA".[1] As the winner of Cupa României, Craiova subsequently took part in the 2018 Supercupa României, which they lost 0–1 to CFR Cluj.[33]";

- chapter 2.2;

- chapter 4 only the following for European results:

"Competition S P W D L GF GA GD

UEFA Europa League 3 10 2 4 4 12 15 −3

Total 3 10 2 4 4 12 15 −3"

- in chapter 4 only the following for Domestic results:

Romanian Cup (2017-2018), Romanian Supercup runner-up in 2018, Liga II winner (2013-2014)

- chapters 5 and 6 should be kept for this team;

- do not keep any other chapter than those indicated for this team;

- references should be adjusted;

- the intro should read:

"CS U Craiova was founded in 2013 [4] and asserted to be the continuation of the original Universitatea Craiova—this has since been backed up by some court orders and the Liga Profesionistă de Fotbal, however Romanian courts have rejected this in 2018 saying there is no proof that CSU had any link with the historic club Universitatea Craiova.[note 26] In 2018, CSU won the Cupa României, representing their first trophy."

I understand this is a lot, but please take it into account as the separation between the two clubs is a very sensitive issue and now that there is clear case-law this should be respected. Please also see the Romanian pages of wikipedia which confirm this separation: https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_U_Craiova - this is the new club and https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_Universitatea_Craiova_(fotbal,_1948-1991) - the old club.

EDIT: This was not a request to revert, the initial change was correct. Please remake it. In addition, that change actually implies further changes. Mișu Chera (talk) 06:43, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mișu Chera (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. OhKayeSierra (talk) 01:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT2: I believe no one really took the time to read this. There is no consensus to find. There is a clear judgment stating that CSU is a different team than the Univesitatea Craiova founded in 1948. They are two different teams so the page has to be fundamentally amended. I will do it myself once I gain the rights to do so. Mișu Chera (talk)

Request rename CS Universitatea to Universitatea Craiova[edit]

Make this request follow this legal name and trusted urls : 1) https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/teams/2606501--universitatea-craiova/ 2) https://www.transfermarkt.com/universitatea-craiova/startseite/verein/40812 Logofescu (talk) 15:04, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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