Talk:Chaos Emeralds

Should Master Emerald have its own entry?

I was just putting some info into the Master Emerald section, and it seems that it's really crammed in there (the game titles should be sub-sections under the "Role in Series" section, but since "Master Emerald" is a section to begin with, we're stuck with a rather pointless "Role in Series" sub-section) when it could have an article to itself with more space. There definately seems to be enough information to warrant it.

I think, back in antiquity, they were seperate articles. At the time, someone decided they should be merged. Still, I think there's probably enough information if you wanted to seperate the articles out. -- Supermorff 21:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Antiquity? More like three months ago. I remember adding to that artical. The Master Emerald has a long history in the games and in the comics. We need give it it's own artical. -- Jelly Soup 8:36 am, 20 February 2006 (PST)

"The Master Emerald first appeared in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, where it was stolen by Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik in his bid to take over the world."

I don't remember it being in Sonic 3 at all. It was only ever seen, IIRC, in the Hidden Palace Zone, either when you visited it as the third-last zone in Sonic and Knuckles (or Sonic 3 and Knuckles) or when you teleported there to perform one of the Super Emerald Special Levels, none of which was possible in Sonic 3 on its own. (Darien Shields 13:53, 17 September 2005 (UTC))

Although the Master Emerald (or Power Stone) couldn´t be currently seen during StH3, it had an "indirect" appearence, since due to its power that Angel Island was suspended on the atmosphere (where StH3 and S&K take place). Tonyjeff 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Multiple Chaos Emeralds

I came across with an interesting theory. StH1 took place in South Island, where Sonic collected six Chaos Emeralds. StH2 took place in West Side Island (or Enchanted Island) where Sonic found OTHER seven Chaos Emeralds, since nothing say that Sonic lost the six ones found in South Island. Also, considering that StH3 and S&K happen each one in a direct sequence from StH2, the Super Chaos Emeralds are in fact the seven ones Sonic collected during StH2 in Enchanted Island. They reacted to the radiation emanated from Master Emerald. So, we could suppose that there are different groups of Chaos Emeralds hidden in many different places (islands in special)? Tonyjeff 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside of Sonic the Comic, in which it is specifically stated that there are two sets of Emeralds (the Mobian Emeralds and the Floating Island Emeralds), there isn't really any canonical evidence to support that theory. Of course, now you've mentioned it on a talk page, it'll be there for everyone to see. I just don't think it's worth putting into the article proper. -- Supermorff 21:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, it´s just a theory. I just wonder if we could establish the same relation with the other Sonic games, grouping all those Emeralds in separated sets or identifying them as the same in different games. Tonyjeff 01:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Origins

For what is said within manuals, official players guides, mangas, cartoons and other crossed refferences, every Chaos Emerald is a divine artifact, used by different ancient civilizations to promote the development of wisdom and prosperity; eventually almost all of them left the ganance took control of their minds, misusing the Emeralds, what doomed all of them. Some of their ruins can be seen scatered by the different islands and places where Sonic games occur. Knuckles is a direct descendant of an Equidna ancient lineage from Angel Island. The Emeralds would be one of the rare manifestations of the deities of Sonic world. Tonyjeff 15:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

That's not said within any manual I've ever read, and as for mangas, cartoons and crossed references, they can't really be considered canon. Interesting theory, though, I guess, but Sonic games in general don't really have deities. -- Supermorff 21:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, he is Tonyjeff is right. Outside of America and ESPECIALLY in Japan, the manuals have much more depth to them. I am sure there are sites outthere that list these. And of course the Sonic games have deities....Chaos! He is a God!Rogzilla 00:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh give everyone a break, you obviously have'nt a clue about anything relavent!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Extreme Gear?

The Chaos Emerald Gear in Sonic Riders enables Sonic to become Super Sonic. I haven't played it, but should this be added to the entry?

I don't see why not. One could argue that the gear is made from Chaos Emeralds or, at least, shares some power with them. Toss it in. Jelly Soup 12:21, 28 February 2006 (PST)

I thought the gear was Sonic on the Blue Star harnessing the Chaos Emeralds' power and then floating over the ground on his board as Super Sonic. BlackEDGE MkII 00:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the chaos emerald is not it's own gear. ~ Guest DS Piron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.118.203 (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

What in God's holy name does extreme gear have to do with chaos emeralds einstein? I was under the impression that you people actually had intelligence!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Green emeralds?

I haven't seen any information on any Sonic sites, but I'm wondering if there's a reason why they're all called emeralds, even though emeralds are usually green.

Not that this would have any effect on the article itself (aside from maybe a footnote), since Chaos Emerald is the proper term for the jewel either way, but is it incorrect to call something an emerald if it's not green?

Yes, that is right, emeralds can only be green NORMALLY, but after, Chaos Emeralds aren't normal emeralds, are they? Maybe "emerald" is just used instead of "gemstone", or something like that, because "Chaos Emerald" sounds cooler than "Chaos Gemstone". OR, maybe someone just found them once and called them emeralds even though they probably aren't- they're probably some other kind of gem we've never heard of. CatMan 01:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's keep in mind that his is a video game. For all we know, the word emerald in Sonic's universe my be a catchall term for any type of precious stone. Not that any of this means anything for the article, as the source calls them emeralds and that's all that matters. -- Jelly Soup 00:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'd just like to mention, that, if I recall, in the original they were emerald cut

True. JS, you are right, it is a video game, and since they're officially called emeralds, that's all that matters. But "Sonic's universe" is technically ours- Mobius made more since for this issue, too. CatMan 02:26, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

That's...irrelevent to this article. -- Jelly Soup 21:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the matter with you? Can you not see that in FICTION an emerald can be red or blue or black or WHATEVER! Obviously you have NO BRAIN stop writing on wikipedia and have yourself commited to a home for the learning impaired!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Chaos Emeralds are Super Emeralds?

There is a theory that says that Super Emeralds never returned to being Chaos Emeralds. During the console series SA1, SA2, SH and Shadow the Hedgehog, the Chaos Emeralds were always used by more then one Character. In Sonic Adventure 1, this was explained as the 'positive' and 'Negative' energies of the Emeralds.

SA1 Chaos and S.Sonic

SA2 S.Shadow and S.Sonic

In Sonic Heroes Tails and Knux were 'half powered' and not fully.

Shadow the Hedgehog, Black doom and S.Shadow.

Of course, there is literally no evidence to prove that, and the games continue to call them Chaos Emeralds. No.

It is only a theory and I gave supportive evidence for it to be possibly true Alex 'phoenix' Wing 20:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Acturly there is ONE thing to go against that theory. In Sonic Adventure while in the past the size of the Chaos Emeralds are bigger than the characters (you can see this clearly climbing one of the pillars as Knuckles. This shows that in the past the Chaos Emerald were at their full power and size. However every part of the game in the present the Chaos Emeralds are their smaller size. Dark-Chaos (talk) 18:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Why are we discussing theory? This individual's "Theories" have no place on wikipedia!!! This person who likes to talk without thinking needs to have his or her head examined!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Retcon?

According to decompiles and strategy guides, there are 8 chaos emeralds in the next gen game...the 8th being rainbow colored. How is that going to affect this article? GrandMasterGalvatron 13:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If that really is true, please don't spoil it for unknowing users. But anyway, I guess we'll just wait for the game to come out before adding anything. Hopefully it explains why there are eight. If it's true. 83.252.141.112 05:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that that was a decompile of the Sol Emeralds by Sonic Cult. The 8th Emerald was a rainbow colored emerald. Many believe it to be the Sol Emerald equivalent of the Master Emerald. BlackEDGE MkII 01:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Heh...as if any consistency actually ever existed. Every single game has added or taken away something. Sonic 1 had 6. Sonic 2 added 1. Sonic 3 changed colors. Sonic Adventure did too, and added the concept of positive and negative energy. Sonic Blast had 5. Sonic Spinball had 12 (or was it 16? Either way, all blue). This game is no different. Don't look too much into it. DanPMK 07:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Sonic Team is notorious for contradicting facts from their previous canon games. And don't forget: Sonic Battle had 7 (all green) and Sonic the Fighters had 8 (I think) BlackEDGE MkII 00:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Here:

Sonic 1 had 6: Blue, Yellow, Pink, Red, Green, Grey, and they were octagonal.

Sonic 2 (MS/GG) had 6, probably the same as above.

Sonic 2 (MD/Gen) had 7, it added purple to Sonic 1's, and they were hexogonal. Introduced Super Sonic.

SegaSonic (Arcade) didn't have ANY.

Sonic CD had 7 time stones, no emeralds.

Sonic and Tails/Chaos had 6.

Sonic Spinball had 16, all blue.

Sonic 3 had 7; the yellow was changed to orange, and the pink was replaced with light blue. Back to octagonal. Sonic and Knuckles was originally part of this, but to make more money they split it. See the Sonic 3 article for details. The Super emeralds were made to fill that silly gap. They were never seen again, and are in fact just powered up emeralds, not seperate. Also introduced the Master Emerald.

Sonic Gameworld had 5.

Sonic & Tails 2/Triple Trouble had 6.

Sonic Drift 2: 6 emeralds, the first done didn't have any.

Knuckles Chaotix: 6 chaos rings.

Tails' Sky Patrol: 0

Tails' Adventure: 6, Sonic 1 colors.

Sonic Labyrinth: 6

Sonic the Fighters/Championship: 8, one for each character.

Sonic 3D: 7, they look like cough drops.

G Sonic/Sonic Blast: 5.

Sonic R: 7, even though one of them changes color once you collect it.

Sonic Adventure 1 & 2: 7; Sonic 3 colors, but orange is back to yellow.

Sonic Pocket Adventure: 7

Sonic Advance 1, 2, and 3: 7

Sonic Heroes: 7

DanPMK 02:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The fact that they were all green in Sonic Battle is probably just because of limitations. Or the creators just didn't want to make different colored sprites. 83.255.68.110 00:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I goofed on the rainbow-colored emerald. Apparently, (from a user on the StH 2006 forum board who obtained a Sonic 2006 script from Sonic Cult) all 7 chaos emerald are items that you purchase for "Custom Actions" (for example: Sonic throws the green emerald, then dashes towards it at high speeds, destroying all enemies in his path.). Also, from what has been said on that forum, the rainbow colored emerald might trigger each character's super form, IN-GAME (meaning that super forms might not be restricted to the final boss/bosses. Can you say FRICKIN' SWEET HOMAGE TO 2D-ERA SONIC?!) If you need proof, here's a link: [1] BlackEDGE MkII 00:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear God, I hope that Super does that! :D Tell you what, I'll confirm it when the strategy guide comes out ^^GrandMasterGalvatron 14:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no need now. A user on the GameSpot forums just got the guide and it confirms the fact that the rainbow emerald (called a super emerald?) allows characters in-game to go super. And apparently, Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are all gold (way to go originality). Here's a link: [2] BlackEDGE MkII 00:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Huh. I wonder if we should add that under "Super Emeralds" or "The Eighth Emerald" once the game comes out. 83.255.69.190 16:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

It isn't in the final game, but it is still present in the game's coding. In the coding, it's called the 'Rainbow Gem,' and grants Sonic the Custom Action ability 'Super.' I don't think it should appear in the article, though, as it was from a hack and not the actual game (it's in the game, but not available in gameplay). Even then, it wouldn't be a retcon. First, it's not a Chaos Emerald, and second, adding an extra Chaos Emerald wouldn't necessarily be a retcon--it could easily be a 'lost' emerald or something. --Ultima 01:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Technically you can collect a total of 16 Emeralds in Sonic 3 and Knuckles (based on the number of special stages, there's a hidden Golden Chaos Emerald, which was in Sonic 3, and a Golden Super Emerald which can be gained through level select or debugging past the Knuckles fight in Hidden Palace (I've done it to find the special stage, and was at best 3 spheres away from getting it, too!) but unfortunately going for the golden emerald sends you back to Angel Island Zone) 82.12.88.229 (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

A multicolored emerald would be amusing but this is irrelavent because no such game with Sonic has had a multicolored "Eighth Emerald"!! Why are we listening to your mindless talk again??63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Chaos power?

is it true that each chaos emerald has an individual power? for example, i have heard that the red emerald fills its user with either the power to temporarily control fire, or immense hatred and unfathomable rage, depending on the users personality. also, i hear that the silver emerald gives you indestructable platinum armor.is all this true?

Where exactally have you seen this? -- Jelly Soup 06:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

None of this is true in any official game which has been released. Some may be true in certain comic-book or cartoon continuities (I don't know). And I'm sure that, in the vast body of fanconstruction, there is at least a story in which that is the case. But, again, in the games which have been endorsed by Sega, the player can only access Chaos Emerald powers by possessing all of them.

To summarize:

Games: No

Sega-endorsed fiction: Maybe

Fangames: Maybe

Fanfiction: Undoubtedly

-- Upthorn 19:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You must be joking!!! Individual chaos emeralds grant no special powers or defensive abilities unless you've collected ALL SEVEN ON A GAME and even then ya cant get armour DORK!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Gems in 06

The gems that Sonic can buy in 06 aren't Chaos Emeralds, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DeathGodDragon EDGE (talk • contribs) 03:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Oh, just forget it! ChromeWulf ZX 19:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This has to be the stupidest thing I've come across today!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

dark emerald

in sonic 06, mephiles uses the power of what seems to be a 'dark' emerald. At first glance, it seems like the purple emerald, but later, you can see that the purple emerald has a much brighter color. this would mean there is an eighth 'dark' emerald. Does anyone else have some information about this? Bobcheezy 01:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Other than it is a coincidence that the Dark Emerald and Shadow have the same coloration? Mialover730 18:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It can be explained simply as mephiles spirit infecting the chaos emerald...NOT!!!! It's most likely a simple defect in the game, good observations! At least someone can discuss grown up topics unlike some idiots!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Move to Chaos Emeralds?

Don't you think that this article should be moved to Chaos Emeralds, instead of Chaos Emeralds redirecting to this page? I mean, there are seven of them, so it should have an s on it.

--Tails Prower13 03:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Well...that makes a lot of sense! It's rare where there's just one. Let's get some more votes on this.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I've been wondering why the title's singular. Gurko 19:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree!,finally somebody on this talk Page has grown a brain!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC) 

Octagon?

Are they really octagonal in the first games? I thought they were always just being viewed from the top... --Phred Levi 03:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's how the sprites looked... We really don't know if they were redesigned or were seen from top. Gurko 23:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

None of the comics ever showed them octagonal... I'm sure that's just how they look when viewed from the top... >_> --Phred Levi 05:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Unbelivable! The seven Chaos Emeralds are never the same on ANY Sonic The Hedgehog game or cartoon and even if you could prove to me that they are, the color sceme is typically different for every game I or you might have come across!! Might wanna play some of the games over again and come back when know what you are talking about!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Chaos Emeralds or Chaos Diamonds

Throughout the game series we always known them to be the chaos emeralds. But why is it the 'emeralds' are shaped like 'diamonds'? Shouldn't they be called Chaos Diamonds instead then? Mialover730 18:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see Green Emeralds above. -- Jelly Soup 04:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You are so stupid it amazes me!!! If the maker of the game says their Emeralds, then thats what they are! WE DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Color Comparison of Chaos Emeralds with characters

Here's something I noticed by coincidence that seemed comparable to the characters.

The blue emerald is the color of sonic

The red is the color of Knuckles

The yellow is the same as Tails

The Green representing Jet or vector

The purple compared to big

The cyan remarkably familiar as Chaos

The White one being the same as Silver

And the newly thought of Dark emerald linked with the color of Shadow.

I wondered if this could be a little bit of trivia or perhaps a bit of a foreshadowing of anything (even if not true) of who the 'servers of the 7 chaos' or in this case '8 chaos' are? But I doubt the Dark emerald is really part of the traditional 7 chaos emerald count but it was just something I noticed. Mialover730 18:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The "Dark" emerald in the 2006 game was most likely a coloration error on the part of game developers... it's probably the purple emerald. And anyway, Jet, Vector, and Big have never actually used the Chaos Emeralds. If this theory is true, then it seems more likely that Shadow has green (since he is usually seen with it) and Blaze (being able to use the Sol Emeralds) or someone else (possibly Rouge, considering her connection with gems) has purple. But either way, this whole thing is just a theory.MegaWhatt (talk) 01:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

AGAIN NO ONE CARES ABOUT UNPROVEN THEORIES, WHATS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE???????63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

World Rings

First, should the World Rings, following the same color pattern, and seeming to be the power objects of that reality, be added to the other Emeralds section?

Second, the World Rings seem to give us official color names, and I would say that the same names apply to their counterparts:

red

blue

yellow

green

white

water blue (strange)

purple

Jon166 05:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The World Rings have a little section at Minor power objects in Sonic the Hedgehog. The colors might have some importance though. Gurko 23:35, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree

The idea of 'water blue' probably comes from the Japanese term 'Mizuiro' (light blue/aqua), just so that you know Jon 62.31.68.253 15:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

NO THE WORLD RINGS DO NOT BELONG IN THE EMERALDS SECTION,BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EMERALDS!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHH! I'M SURROUNDED BY FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I took you guys for professionals, not clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Picture

Aren't we're supposed to be using the latest picture of something for articles to avoid confusion? The main picture as of now displays Sonic 1 sprites, and is wrong in both Emerald shapes and amount. That's really no good for showcasing what the Emeralds have looked like for several years now. Who knows of a better picture to use? Gurko 20:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I put up a Sonic Advance pic for the time being. I'm searching for a good 3D one.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

USE EMERALDS PICTURES FROM THE MOST CURRENT SONIC GAME YOU CAN FIND, UNDERSTAND! THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Emerald Colors...

Okay, for some reason it says that in Sonic 3, the purple emerald was replaced by a cyan one... Wasn't Cyan the first one you get in Sonic 2? o.o; Jon166 03:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hm, I think I fixed it. The problem was that the blue one from Sonic 1 became cyan in Sonic 2, and then both blue and cyan ones appeared in Sonic 3. Gurko 19:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

FINALLY SOMEONE NOTICES THAT!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Possitive and Negative make (?)

Here's a question. If positive energy is like light, and negative energy is like darkness, then what would happen if both were used at the same time? Would they negate or would they make an energy type equal to twilight? Mialover730 23:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There is not negative or positive energy. Black Doom told us that the emeralds are amplifiers of your original power. Chaos used them for destruction, fueled by hatred and rage, also known as negative feelings. Sonic used them to stop the destruction, fueled by love and friendship, also known as positive feelings. Sonic's friends used their positive feelings to restore the Chaos Emeralds' energy, which amplified their positive feelings. As for the result, light overcomes darkness in reality, and that is represented by Sonic defeating Chaos (and other foes). Jon166 04:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Too bad there isn't a neutral or something like that. Wonder what others would think of it if something like that were to happen. But if it gives energy equal to the types of emotions used for it, then would it do the same for those who are emotionally in between as well or must it be a light or dark feeling one must have? Mialover730 06:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

There is a chance that your on to something. I've been doing research into exactly what "Chaos" means. I've found a source or two which confirms some suspicions I've been having for several years. Apparently in some fantasy lores Chaos is the equivalent of dark and light energy mixed, or as you say "negative and positive". The result is a sort of "twilight" energy from which can be drawn the powers of either side of the spectrum... or both simultaneously (sort of like the Force in Star Wars). Think about how Shadow uses Chaos. More efficiently than notable others. Why is that? I beleive that yes, he does have a natural knack for such things, but also, he is a neutral. An anti-hero. One who draws on feelings of hate and heroics. It is very possible that the "Shadow" project was designed to harness the full power of the Chaos Emeralds, which contain the mixed energies of darkness and light. All darkness can do is destroy, but it is uncontrollable once it has started it's rampage. However, the energy of light is easily wieldable and controllable, as Super Sonic is never cannonically a uncontrollable monster. Thus, if one used the sheer power of the darkness, and the manipulatability of the light, you would truly wield "the ultimate power". Perhaps this is what Shadow is referring to. For example, think how much energy it takes to warp or distort the time Space Continum. Shadow does it easily. However, he doesn't just do it. He does it with needle point precision and efficiency. There's no neutral, but rather, a twilight. User:Radman622 21:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS CRAP HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING???63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Sol Emeralds

"The story behind the Sol Emeralds is unknown."

Aren't they just the mirrors of the Chaos Emeralds for that dimension? Arabian Nights has the World Rings, so it seems that there has to be a set of power objects for each dimension. Jon166 04:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That's how they were introduced, yes. But since Sonic 2006 and Rivals showed that Blaze and Nega were actually from the future instead of an alternate dimension, we really have no idea what the Sol Emeralds are. Gurko 11:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, rivals kind of screwed it up, huh? xD Well, I guess we still have to wait. I'm guessing that Nega and Blaze somehow go into another dimension from this new future. Either that, or maybe since Silver sent Blaze away in the old future, she didn't exist in the new future. That could be why she has no recollection of Sonic and being sent away, because that time doesn't exist anymore. But Nega... Well, Blaze didn't seem to know him very well, but just remembered him stealing the Sol Emeralds. Nega knows how to travel through time and dimensions already, so he could have discovered Blaze's dimension, traveled to there to find the Sol Emeralds, and then traveled back to his famous ancestor to try to conquer that dimension and Blaze's dimension with Eggman's help. Then he either went back to the future or something to make Sonic Rivals. I mean, I haven't played the game yet, or found the cutscenes... I'm still going to try gamefaqs atleast for some sort of story. Anyway, it's all speculation. They still have an unknown origin. Jon166 04:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Really quick thought- The Time Stones and Sol Emeralds have the same shape, and according to Sonic Rush, Blaze states that the Chaos and Sol Emeralds cannot get close without catastrophe, suggesting that they both exist in her time.207.69.138.134 02:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The Sol Emeralds have been taken out, yet they still redirect to this page. They need to redirect to Sonic Rush if this is not the place. --74.194.125.89 20:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

THIS PAGE IS ABOUT CHAOS EMERALDS, NOT SOL EMERALDS YA JERK!!!! YOU SHOULD BE TIED TO A TREE AND FLOGGED WITH A BELT FOR BEING SOOOOO STUPID!!!! PEOPLE LIKE YOU NEED TO BE TOLD WHAT TO THINK BY PEOPLE LIKE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Primary and secondary additive colors

They seem to follow the additive primary colors red, green, and blue. Then the secondary colors formed by mixing two primaries together which are yellow(RG), cyan(GB), and magenta(RB,true purple is bluer than most people think). And all three form white. Original i thought red yellow and blue were primary, but there was cyan instead of orange. 71.65.34.160 19:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

You've categorized the colors incorrectly. Red, blue, and yellow are the primary colors. The secondary colors are orange (formed from red and yellow), green (formed from yellow and blue), and purple (formed from blue and red). White is created not from the three primary colors, but from the primary AND secondary colors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.185.254.100 (talk) 01:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

This is irrilavent because the colors change from game to game and follow only a vary small pattern.63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Chaos Drives

Chaos Drives are stated as appearing only in Sonic Adventure 2 in the article. However, they reappear in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). Chaos Drives are inside Eggman's robots, and are used to fill up the Custom Action meters (varying on character). Light Cores do the same thing, but are in monsters (minions of Mephiles/Iblis), instead. --Ultima 01:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

CHAOS DRIVERS ARE NOT CHAOS EMERALDS YOU DAMN IDIOT!!!! GO TO A DIFFERENT ARTICLE AND STOP WASTEING PEOPLE'S TIME!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Angel Island

So, according to the article:

"Strangely, when the Chaos Emeralds become Super Emeralds in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, which happens during the story of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, the island still floats in the air. The question is, why does it float if the Super Emeralds are in the same chamber as the Master Emerald?"

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but... I seem to remember Angel Island being in the sea all the way through that game, and only rising back up during the credits. So it wasn't floating at all while the Super Emeralds were in the chamber, right? Sock-fox 11:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Change it if its right.Hourfivedrums 15:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Support this claim with proof and I'll make the changes myself!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Scatter Theory

" After the super form is reached, the Emeralds discharge and send themselves across the world (or to Special Zone), and as such characters often collect them throughout the games."

I believe the above text, found in the article, should need a citation. It is unconfirmed (to my knowledge) if the emeralds scatter in a fashion similar to dragon balls, to be brief, or if third parties actually scatter them throughout the world. Let's also remember Sonic the Hedgehog 3, in which Sonic used the emeralds to turn Super Sonic and rush ahead in the opening scene, only to get them taken by Knuckles. In any case, Sonic transformed and the emeralds were stolen immediately after. I'd like to see some proof of this to further my knowledge, so someone please cite this information. --74.194.118.12 09:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC) (anonymous editor)

It seems to be more of an expanded idea based on the fact that Sonic barrows from Dragon Ball Z. I'll add a citation needed tag. -- Jelly Soup 10:14, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it seems the offending text has been reworded. Problem solved. -- Jelly Soup 10:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

The only game that the emeralds have scattered was Sonic The Hedgehog 1, you have no proof for your claims and until you do STOP YOUR STUPIDITY FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Blue emerald in Sonic '06

In the "Role in the games" section, it says that the blue Chaos Emerald was given to Sonic by Elise, then given to Eggman by Sonic, then found by Silver in Eggman's base, then given to Elise by Silver. I'll admit that this creates a predestination paradox, but let's be logical here. Eggman wouldn't be careless enough to lose the Emerald so quickly. I don't have any proof, but I think that the blue emerald was already in Eggman's base before Sonic arrived (whether or not Eggman knew this doesn't really matter). Silver could have found the other blue emerald while Sonic was handing over Elise's blue emerald. Of course, this is just a theory, but it makes a lot more sense than a time paradox. The world's hungriest paperweight 00:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

GOD YOU ARE SUCH A GEEK!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Poem hints

'the servers are the seven chaos-

Chaos is power, power is enriched by the heart-

The controller is the one that unifies the chaos-'

The servers are the seven chaos would indicate that the chaos emeralds are the servers...perhaps the hint of them being SOMEWHAT sentient would lead to the thought that maybe they are more alive than we think.

Chaos is power, power is enriched by the heart. This means that whatever your hearts desire is, the chaos, or the servers, may bring it to fruition and truth. Meaning it can turn your will into power, not your thoughts. Though thoughts do help you focus your will on a task I do agree to that.

The controller is the one that unifies the chaos. Now this can be questionable as to what the controller is in fact. Is the controller the user that can safely unite the powers of the 7 chaos emeralds, or 7 servers, or is it the master emerald that keeps the powers of the chaos emeralds unified in check? I would say, that if it were the one who uses the power of the 7 servers that was the user, then it would most likely be sonic, knuckles, tails, blaze, shadow, silver, and I am actually quite bothersome including metal sonic...

But why does it say CONTROLLER and not CONTROLLERS? It must be that there is only 1 controller. The one controller would be either the master emerald, or one of the characters most fitting to be considered such? Maybe it is left as controller, singular, for it would only take one controller to be able to unify them. Then it brings us back to THE MURAL of sonic with the emeralds against eggman. Perhaps there is something about sonic, even though there isn't, that can be developed from a hypothesis into a theory.

But that's just my take. There's alot more to the emeralds than even the creators know I'll tell ya that. Mialover730 17:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok ok so no one else thinks this analysis of the emeralds is worth talking about? Mialover730 (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you might be reading a bit too much into it, plus it is translated from Japanese, and we all know what happens when people translate from Japanese to American...  Doktor  Wilhelm  12:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no doubt that there is some strange connection between Sonic and the Chaos Force. However, the fact that other beings are capable of "controlling" the Chaos Emeralds leads me to believe that he is NOT the "CONTROLLER". That is likely the Master Emerald. But if one could control the Master Emerald... You're smart, your hypothesis is well thought out, but there are a couple pieces of blaring evidence against it. Sorry. User:Radman622 21:15, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It was wasn't it? The chaos emeralds were dictated as sentient in sonic rivals 2 I believe. Then I only figured the poem was a kind of password to use the master emerald by knuckles. Non-Cannon wise, it was dictated in the sonic comics that the master emerald could be used as a source to ultimately turn into an ultimate form without the other chaos emeralds. So if the master emerald isn't the controller when it could be used then the controller is the one who must be mentioned in some sort of legend. I just need to figure how to loophole through this. If anyone else can loophole it then go right ahead, or just go along with this for fun in case it'd ever be true. Ya never know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mialover730 (talk • contribs) 03:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the comics are wrong. If you played Sonic Adventure (or DX), Tikal, in various storylines, mentioned that poem and said it herself when she used it. She also addressed the Master Emerald as being sentient, similar to Knuckles in Sonic Adventure 2. So the controller is almost certainly the Master emerald, that or whatever echidna is in control of it at the moment (but I seriously doubt that). Redphoenix526 (talk) 00:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

So if the controller mentioned is not he who uses the 7 chaos emeralds would that dismiss the fact the other emeralds are sentient in part too? I read on this section that sonic rivals 2 give hints of that at least. So what do you call those able to freely use the emeralds like sonic or shadow? Mialover730 (talk) 08:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Im not sure about the master emerald or chaos emeralds being setinet but the master emerald can show where its missing pieces are can be talked too and follows commands(Im not sure if it intentionally follows commands)Fwooshlewooshle (talk) 20:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Would any non sentient item do something like that? I Think not sir. Mialover730 (talk) 05:57, 1 February 2008

Sorry to ruin this truly thoughtful and insightful discussion but... I'm so sure this is all speculation. Sure you're helping understand the poem which indeed ties into the emeralds but I don't think this qualifies as Wikipedia talk. Not a forum. And even if there is much more to it than the creators truly thought, you're expecting Sonic Team to actually think...and they haven't been so good at "problem/glitch" free solutions in a long time. --SxeFluff (talk) 05:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

IDIOT ALERT! IDIOT ALERT! WHAT DOES A POEM HAVE TO DO WITH CHAOS EMERALDS?63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Article too long? and other Improvement Tags!

I don't see why any of the tags (besides the merger one) are on this article! The Article is long, because the subject features in many forms of media, and I can't see how it's all in-universe! it also contains many inline citations!  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

The length problem is in the Sonic the Comic subsection. It's way too much regurgitation of plot per WP:PLOT. It's not that the article is too long, it's that that section is too long. Is there a template for just a section being too long? I don't know if their is, but if there is, that template needs to be put on that section and the one for the full article removed. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 16:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

YES IT IS TO LONG! AND FULL OFF CRAP THAT SHOULD ONLY BE SEEN IN FAN FICTION!!!!!63.228.61.25 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

NO MORE B.S63.228.61.25 (talk) 01:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

People are making stupid unconstructive edits rambling on about their gay little "Theories" about the origins of the chaos emeralds and frankly these people need to stop because they have NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that in all but one case, each discussion you've 'contributed' to was well over a year old? If you have something to add and can do so without the childishness, please, share. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 09:32, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Dude! Are you feeling O.K? Because your a little out of control there!Wiki Curse (talk) 01:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Announcing Complete Reconsturction Of The Choas Emeralds Article!

I've noticed that this page lacks references and is packed with undesirable IN-Universe data! As a self proclaimed expert on the sonic the hedgehog series I can say with total confidence that I know what I'm doing. Some people may find some of my edits or articles questionable, but I assure you that there truely is a method to my insanity! My credentials include the following: 1. Played all the original Sonic games for sega saturn and genesis! 2. Read all the comics associated with Sonic. 3. I prefer the facts, not what some people may think the facts are! 4. Have visted all known websites related to Sonic and the chaos Emeralds.

If anyone does not agree with my alterations to the chaos emeralds they may change or rewrite the section they find offending, I just ask you all to keep an open mind and if you change my work then I'm at least deserving of a reason Why!Wiki Curse (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Pardon my language, but just redirect the damn article. Probably to Sonic the Hedgehog (series)#Chaos Emeralds. Really, your "credentials" aren't important to this, since WP:V states that third party sources dictate what is and isn't notable. Red Phoenix ^{flame of life...protector of all...} 05:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm at odds on this one. On one hand, I feel the article could be cleaned up and improved. On the other, most of the information that could be verified would have to do with the Master Emerald or how the damn things look. Anything else would be unciteable fancruft. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2008 (UTC)