Talk:Francesco di Marco Datini

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Inaccurate statement[edit]

The following statement is not accurate and needs to be clarified or rewritten: "He is an important figure in history because he is the only representative of a typical middle class person during the Middle Ages of which we currently have any record." --Jjhake (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Intro proposal[edit]

L.G. proposed the following intro:

Francesco de Marco Datini was a man who was ordinary in every respect in the Middle Ages. He was born from c. 1340-1411, and lived his life as a merchant, going from Italy to Avingon and back again, trading goods such as Italian art and luxury items for the cardinals and the rich at Avingon. He encountered the Black Death twice in his life, and lived through them. His letters are one of the few examples of ordinary life in the Medieval Ages. As such, he is extremely important to the historical and literary world.

Posted on behalf of L.G. by Mr. Hake:

I have made corrections and comments to her work by hand, but have left them uncorrected on here. Clearly, several of her facts and some of her ideas could form the basis of material that would be good to include.--Jjhake (talk) 13:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Response to L.G.[edit]

I like the intro.

Spunkiel 22:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for L.G.[edit]

I agree with spunkiel I really like your intro, however, I feel like your first two sentences are the ones that really add value

XCluvr16 22:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Intro Change[edit]

Went ahead and moved a sentence from the intro to a new conclusion paragraph. Okay with everyone?

Dewener 21:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)Dewener

Scholarly external resources[edit]

From the "F. Datini" International Institute of Economic History:

Note that each article has several pages (navigation at bottom).

Jjhake (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for images[edit]

The following note was sent requesting images for this article. I will post any feedback received.

Dear Sir or Madame:
I am a high school teacher and one of thousands of volunteer writers for the free international encyclopedia, Wikipedia. As part of a history class, I am presently having my students develop an article about Francesco di Marco Datini. It is still under construction and located at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_di_Marco_Datini
Several of the photos on the "F. Datini" International Institute of Economic History’s website would be excellent additions to this article. Specifically, I would like your permission to use the following images:
http://www.istitutodatini.it/schede/datini/did_en/f-dat2.htm
http://www.istitutodatini.it/schede/datini/did_en/margh2.htm
http://www.istitutodatini.it/schede/archivio/did_en/f-dat4.htm
Does your institute own the copyright to these images? If not, would you be willing to send me the contact information for the institutions that do own the copyrights so that I could write to them for permission?
In order for any images to be used, it would be necessary for them to be license under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL), which was designed by the Free Software Foundation (FSF) for free works. You can find the license text at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html. One way to give your permission to use the above noted images is to reply to this email with the statement:
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We would be certain to publicly credit the "F. Datini" International Institute of Economic History or any other parties for all images.
I may be reached at this email address: X. Thank you for your time.
Sincerely, X

Jjhake (talk) 00:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the pictures would be a good addition to the article; good idea Jjhake. I also think we should try to weave together the part that describes Datini as a middle class man in the middle ages with the part about him selling art to private collectors, a practice that seems more like something done in the Renaissance. Do we want to say that Datini was a bridging figure between the Medieval and Renaissance eras, or at least showed the change from one to the other, in a way similar to Augustine between the classical and middle ages? I think it's an interesting parallel that we could pursue, although I'm not sure we would be able to find much real evidence to support the idea. what do you think? --Gesundheit 00:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Direct quotes[edit]

Guys, a lot of the sentences and phrases in this article are direct quotes. Maybe we should try to reword some of the key facts found in Hanawalt.

Intro[edit]

I personally like L.G.'s intro better i seemed that the information in it was then just spread out into seperate paragraphs.--Eagles01836

Illegitimate Daughter[edit]

Does anyone have any information on his daughter and/or know her name? I'm doing a report on Slavery during the Renaissance, and I want to use her as my example of an illegitimate child that got lucky. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ye Olde Luke (talkcontribs) 01:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

Probably a bit too late, but look at the german version. --Hans-Jürgen Hübner (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

FRANCESCO DATINI[edit]

suggestion: the name of his wife was Margherita I very often find course mistakes with italian names and the italian language in english literature, etc. I would love to help respect the italians and their culture by correcting these.(87.16.129.43 (talk) 09:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)).

Francesco di Marco Datini - Born 1335[edit]

End. --Davide41 (talk) 00:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but... Brutal Deluxe (talk) 01:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Translation[edit]

Feel free to translate the german version (I'm the author). --Hans-Jürgen Hübner (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)