Talk:Heritage preservation in South Korea

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Pre-GAN comments[edit]

I am not sure if I'll review it for GA; I might. For now, some comments:

lead
  • it is good practice to avoid references in lead if the same fact is mentioned elsewhere in the article, where it should be referenced instead.
  • it is good practice for the lead not to mention anything that isn't already mentioned in article's body. Leads should be summaries of the main body.
  • "with state-designated properties, as well as properties under the supervision of provinces and cities" - that sentence is a bit unclear and should be split into a stand alone sentence. Or simply removed, it is just another way of saying something that the second lead paragraph already does better.
  • "under modest circumstances" - unnecessary
  • "Significant players" - I think "Significant stakeholders" would be better. Or perhaps rewrite it to say "The program also includes "living national treasures" – people..."
  • "lists, as of 2013". Split sentence into two replacing comma with a full stop.
  • "there are unresolved issues and questions" - no need for "and questions".

Will review the next section once the above is addressed. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this more of a list than an article? Viriditas (talk) 09:59, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Because there are lists in it? What about all the text, then? It's just there for fun? :) Teemeah 편지 (letter) 10:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter, but you should fix the problems listed above by Piotrus, especially the glaring "lists, as of 2013" issue. Viriditas (talk) 09:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's done. Thanks Piotrus for the feedback. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 10:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Link to his username to activate the notification system. Viriditas (talk) 19:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas and Teemeah: I guess I missed the echo back. I am back, here are my new comments:

lead
  • standardize "state designated heritage" and "state-designated heritage" - done
The Cultural Heritage Administration
  • WP:RED recommends that important terms should be linked even if no article yet exists on English Wikipedia. I'd start with Ministry of Education, Ministry of Culture, Korea University and Cultural Heritage Act of 1999 from the first section. Byeon Youngseop may be notable, through I am not sure - consult Wikipedia:Notability (academics). This list should give you an idea what terms should be linked in the subsequent sections.
    done Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cultural Heritage Act of 1999 should be given with its Korean name, alternatively remove the name from the "961 Law of 1962" (which may be ilinked to, if it is notable.
    Added Korean name. I came to find a source that says it was last updated in 2012 so I rephrased and resourced this part. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
History
  • "including folklore elements" is a bit unclear: do you mean "also extending to folklore"?
    yes, corrected. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • consult Notability guidelines for whether Go Sangnyeol and other mentioned people are notable and should be linked (or not). I'd appreciate a comment here regarding each case.
    I do not think Go Sangnyeol would be notable on his own. It's a government agency but not a ministry. I could not find major sources dealing with his life and work in details even in Korean (well, on the internet). Yae Yonghae could be notable based on a Korean language search but no English sources deal with his life, so I don't really see when that link would ever turn blue, considering the kowiki article on heritage doesn't even mention his name. :) Han Bongnyeo is definitely notable, she has an article at kowiki, too: ko:한복려 Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • reputable - peacock world, consult WP:WTA -- done.
  • local governments - probably local administration would be better -- done.
  • country life - unclear, do you mean life in Korea or life in the countryside? -- the latter. Corrected
  • this entire paragraph is a bit unclear: it suggests that the "New Community" movement helped to preserve those items, but I think it might have tried to destroy them, leading others to try to (successfully) protect them? In either case, please clarify.
    It might be because I am not a native speaker but I see no problem here. Please reorganize as you see fit, but the meaning is what is already in that paragraph: the movement aimed to modernize life in the countryside, so they tried to get rid of old superstitions (like that of the zelkova trees). Their violent actions of cutting down those trees in villages triggered the need to preserve heritage before it was all destroyed by "modernization". Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • so-called - remove, consult WTA -- done
  • "cuisine supervises" - > "cuisine who supervises" -- it's a matter of how you interpret the meaning of the sentence, but be it. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • ilink Goryeo -- done
  • consider whether "World Intangible Heritage Complex" is notable enough to be linked. Revise tense in this para (first is future, second is present, it is unclear if the complex is built yet or not)
    I could not find any English sources about the opening so I am assuming it is still not opened, which is not a surprise knowing the Korean way of working. Their website says opening ceremony will be held in the second half of 2013... http://nith.cha.go.kr/main/en/with/greeting/ The website has not been updated since (again, not surprising). For now I would leave it in future tense... Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Classification
  • the usage of the world active is confusing; what's a non-active (non-living) treasure? Destroyed?
    Not sure what the right English term would be. Some of the designated heritages were withdrawn later. It appears that they revise the list from time to time and for whatever reason, they demote or delete previously registered items. For example the red lines you see in hu:Dél-Korea festői helyei were previously designated as Scenic Sites but then removed. Eg. the Haenam Daemun mountain region was added to the list in 1975 but removed in 1998. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • it appears most entries in "Example" are unreferenced; it's jarring as a few are
    The first table entries can be found at the CHA general search, the second table is local heritage, so they are not listed in the CHA registry. That's why I linked sources to them. But then I will link the others, too. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
UNESCO heritage
  • is Korean National Commission for UNESCO notable enough to be linked?
    Could be notable but there is nothing much you can write about them... Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "are nice cultural" - nine? -typo fixed
  • drop "for example" from following sentence and reference it -- it's all on the UNESCO site referenced in the first sentence, but put a ref to it. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Criticism
  • "however, there emerged a few issues to be addressed." -> "however, a few issues remain to be addressed." -- done
  • "The opinion was" - weaselish, whose opinion?
    No idea. The source says: "Above all, there is a belief that the system’s emphasis on holders should be altered in order to allow the designation of a broader scope of intangible cultural heritage. Concern has been expressed about unseemly power struggles due to excessive competition over appointments as living human treasures" [1] I will use the article author's name. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
References

One final concern I have is that the article does not use academic articles or books. Yet I have found some that seem relevant:

I'd also expect there's a wealth of sources in Korean, through I have no ability to look into that. As before, please ECHO me with any replies here. Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • I speak some Korean, enough (with the help of a dictionary) to determine if a source contains specific information that I am looking for, but I am not a fluent speaker of Korean to actively study Korean articles. There are enough sources in English, as well. :) Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: See my answers above and thank you for the time you took to review my article. Teemeah 편지 (letter) 09:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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