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Population numbers for North Korean cities: Korean-language articles vs. English-language articles

I have noticed that many English-language articles on North Korean cities cite population estimates from 1991. However, many of the Korean-language pages for the same cities appear to (I don't read Korean) provide figures from 2008 that are often significantly different from the 1991 figures. Will someone with Korean language skills please ascertain the validity of the figures on the Korean pages and update the English pages accordingly?

WikiProject Korea in Commons

Wouldn't it be a good idea to have its presence in Commons? Considering I noticed contributors trying to upload pictures but getting them deleted because they don't understand what they did wrong. I think there should be some kind of task force that would help find pictures with the correct CC license. I already proposed it in the Commons:WikiProject Council but it might take a while since there is only 2 members (1 semi-active). However, if enough people are interested, we should start it ourselves. 제이2케이엑스 (talk) 14:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Korea on Commons Jae ₩on (Deposit) 18:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

You should add it to {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Navigation}} . 70.24.248.23 (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Elections in pre-1948 Korea

I'm currently working on elections around the world, and during a discussion about "missing" elections, I had a thought about Korea. Currently we have {{North Korean elections}} and {{South Korean elections}}, which I believe are largely complete. However, I was wondering if there were any elections prior to 1948 - i.e. during the Joseon/Empire/Japanese occupation periods. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Number 57 12:57, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Japanese occupation periods mayors and assembly members were errected by Koreans like as Taiwan. Park Chungeum ko:박춘금 was errected as a Imperial House of Representatives lawmaker from tokyo, but limited people who lived japanese mainland. Most of koreans lived in Korean peninsula. however many noble koreans had their seats in Imperial House of Peers. But I dont know english good sources.--Syngmung (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Egg ghost

The article Egg ghost is up for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egg ghost. Editors with knowledge of Korean mythology are badly needed to determine whether this ghost is notable and whether references exist to reliable sources discussing the ghost. Thanks. --NellieBly (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Korean language working group

I'm also a member of WikiProject Linguistics, and I'd like to create a Korean language work group to improve articles related to Korean language and grammar. Who's in? JohnDavidWard (talk) 22:44, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good. A joint workgroup between WPKorea and some other linguistics project? We seem to be missing such projects/workgroups/task forces... even though we have articles on them for various languages. 76.65.128.198 (talk) 07:48, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Help

Can somebody look at the M.I.B (band) article and explain what:

• References aren't reliable sources
• Part of the article seems like advertising

Because the person, who tagged it, hasn't even explained why or given me hints on what to fix. Thank you. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 16:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I've re-removed the tags; I think Mike Wazkowski was wrong to replace them. Allkpop seems to meet WP:RS, and I'm willing to AGF that the Korean sites also meet it. I did leave the notability tags, as I'm not entirely certain that the coverage, though extensive, is enough to justify them as notable. It most likely does, but I'm not comfortable making the call myself being unable to read Korean. If anyone has/can read Korean pop charts, and could show that their album charted, that would be a big help. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. The Korean sites that come after the allkpop sites are the sources that allkpop used. Anyways, you were a big help. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 01:12, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Visibility of Liancourt Rocks

I'm not trying to puppet you. I just want to get your attentions that a visibility related debate is under way at Liancourt Rocks. I want to listen your opinions. --Cheol (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture help

Can anybody check this (picture) to make sure the summary is good. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 18:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox kdrama template

I noticed Template:Infobox kdrama isn't used much. It was suggested to be deleted in 2008 since then only 18 articles are linked to it. How about we change each articles' infobox from kdrama to Template:Infobox television? Since then, television has added language for not english shows to the infobox. Good idea? Jae ₩on (Deposit) 03:11, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Y Done Completely converted all 19 of them. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 01:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Korean language report of Air China 123

Hi! Where can I find a Korean language version report of Air China Flight 123? I found the English version at http://web.archive.org/web/20061017200424/152.99.129.24/eng/board/view.jsp?id=4 But where is the Korean version? Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 04:39, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

C-Real needs help

If anybody can help this article by adding more information to it. If not, find somebody who will be able to. I saw on articles for deletion, not sure how long it will be until deletion. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 03:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

ANI Report

There is an ANI Report at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Need_a_Korean_speaker looking for somebody who speaks Korean to help resolve some issues involving a Korean user. If you can write Korean, your help would be appreciated.---Balloonman ^{Poppa Balloon} 03:15, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Me2day

The template is being discussed for deletion about and the usage was noticed. If anybody sees articles using regular links to Me2day, use the template instead. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 16:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Band v. Group

We need to debate on the naming of articles that are labeled bands and groups. There are girl groups with the title of band when clearly they are a girl group and not a band. There is a difference between a boy band and hip hop group. I noticed contributors changing without proposing the move and contributors who disagree with the move. There needs to be a clear understanding of the meanings to avoid edit wars. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 14:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, plus sometimes when an article is moved, you can't move it back to the correct form because the other page already exists as a redirect page. It's very contradictory for you to write something like f(x) (band) and then in the first line say "f(x) is a South-Korean girl group", therefore there needs to be a pattern to be followed, since as a musician, a group is only composed of singers whereas a band is composed of players and possibly singers. F.T. Island, Swimming Fish, C.N. Blue and Rumble Fish are bands obviously, whereas all IDOL GROUPS, are groups and not bands. This type of edit could become as troublesome as edit wars over members' positions if there isn't an agreement. Chocolat ≈ Dubulge (Chat Me Up) 17:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Korean name help

Hi! What is the RR and M-R for "삼국지: 용의 부활" (Three Kingdoms: Resurrection of the Dragon)?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 21:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Ask Rickinasia. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 23:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion! WhisperToMe (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 04:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Korean article

Hi folks, I've been working on Prosperity theology (currently a featured article candidate) and someone pointed out this source to me. Is there a way that you could tell me what his basic conclusion is? I think he argues that the effects of the war have caused people to embrace the movement (having had lots of material lack before they are drawn to something that promises no lack). Is this someone you can help me with? Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Requesting EAST SEA, not sea of Japan.

I am a user of Wikipedia and have been benefiting from the plentiful information it provides for many years. However, I cannot help express my disappointment and disapproval at the fact that there is little knowledge about the truth about East Sea, the sea that lies on the east of Korean peninsula and west of Japan. In the article 'Taebaek Mountains', this sea is mentioned as 'Sea of Japan (East Sea'. There is certainly something wrong with the order of the names put. East Sea, not sea of Japan, should come first, and the latter should not even appear as an official name. East Sea has been historically known by the name Sea of Korea by people in ancient times, until Japanese imperialists invaded Korea and annexed it, taking away the sovereignty and renaming the sea with the baseless name of sea of Japan. Even centuries ago, many old European maps described this sea as Korean Sea, as in the case of France, which described it as Mer de Coree. Japan has nothing to do with the East Sea, therefore this wrong and baseless name should be immediately removed from this article and replaced with 'East Sea' used centuries ago. There are plenty of archaeological evidence to support this fact, not a claim. Korea is not claiming an ownership of this sea, but merely demanding the international society to realize that truth has been distorted and Wikipedia has failed to provide millions of users with historically accurate information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Megaluck (talk • contribs) 11:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

The East Sea is the East China Sea, per traditional East Asian naming. So using "East Sea" as the name of the Korean Sea would be controversial. East Korean Sea would at least indicate relativity. (remembering that there's the West Korean Sea that is also sometimes used... and that "West Sea" is also used to refer to the Atlantic Ocean, and the Pacific Ocean, though not by Koreans or East Asians) Though the Indian Ocean is the East Asian "West Sea". But if you're Vietnamese, the East Sea is the South China Sea. 70.49.124.157 (talk) 05:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Mass-produced biographical stubs?

Hallo, I am a regular stub-sorter and I keep finding Korean biographical stubs which have a lot of problems in common.

• They include both {{stub}} and {{Korea-bio-stub}}, which wastes my time as a stub-sorter as they appear in Category:Stubs and I have to edit them to remove the unnecessary {{stub}}
• The lead sentence is on the lines of "Kim Seok-ju and Kim Suk-ju(korean:김석주, hanja:金錫冑, 1634 - 1684) was korean Joseon Dynastys Neo Confucian scholars, politicians and writer." - as if the information is coming from some external reference work where there is a heading "Scholars, Politicians and Writers", and the article is written by someone who does not know enough English to use capital "K" for "Korean" and "of the Joseon Dynasty" for "Joseon Dynastys". Or "Dynasty's".
• Dates are all linked, which is not correct
• The section headings are often confused: "Work Book", "site web", "refrence", etc.

I have found stubs like this from many different editors, which makes me think there is a template or "model article" somewhere from which these are being mass-produced.

Could someone find and correct this source, I wonder? Examples (linked to the state in which initial editor left them) include:

• Kim Seok-ju (created today by User:Nixten),
• Seong Hon (better English but still two stubs and linked numbers in dates, still "Site web" for "External links"), created 23 Jan by User:Ekffkddl
• Wang Ja-ji, created 14 January by User:Dixtor.
• and many others, going back some time I think.. eg
• Kim Dam, created 26 November 2011 by User:Jddbc

It looks as if either one person is editing under multiple usernames, or a group of people are using the same very poor template or model in creating their articles.

Please look into this. If it continues I will have to take it to WP:ANI or somewhere because there are too many very poor stubs being created and causing cleanup work for other editors. Thanks. PamD 17:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll look at them and see what I can do. Usually Korean stubs are created by new contributors who don't read the rules or don't care as long as they create articles of their favorite people. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 19:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. These all seem to be Joseon dynasty people, it's not a problem with pop stars or sportspeople! Good luck. PamD 19:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

There's another one today: Kim Ikhun. New editor User:판델라, and their first edit is to produce this markup-heavy article in the standard mould: linked dates, labelled as both {{stub}} and {{Korea-bio-stub}} from the first edit, garbled grammar in lead, etc. What is going on here? Please will someone find out and get it stopped? PamD 14:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Wow, these poor historical people turning into stubs. Thanks for the update. Jae ₩on (Deposit) 15:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

And Song Jun-gil by User:Tarantius who, unusually, seems to have edited other articles in the past, as far back as 2010. PamD 18:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

And Yi Cheol-seung by User:森上. Has some student group been given a project of creating a Wikipedia article each on a Joseon Dynasty person, and then given very poor tuition in how to do so? PamD 20:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Vertical text RTL

FYI, {{Vertical text RTL}} is under development at WT:JAPAN for traditional text that is oriented vertically, from right to left. 70.49.124.157 (talk) 05:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Korea will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Korea's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Ordering of first and family names for Koreans

We should discuss how to be consistent in the ordering of first and family names for Koreans. In some cases the family name comes first (like in original Korean style), while in others it is the opposite. For instance, if you read the entry on "Koreagate", the methods are mixed inside the same paragraph or sentence: Tongsun Park (First then Family), Sun Myung Moon (First then Family), Kim Hyung Wook (Family then First), Chung Il Kwon (Family then First).

I've heard people refer to Ban Ki Moon (the UN secretary general) as Mr Moon, while his family name is Ban.

Any ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fyzixx (talk • contribs) 01:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

First, WP:UCN&WP:UE -- "Ban Ki Moon" will always be that way, "Sun Myung Moon" will always be that way. ; then for people who rarely or mostly inconsistently appear in English, we'd need to come up with a standard. I suggest family name first, given name second for people inside of Korea and historical personages, for people living outside of East Asia (like Korean-Americans), use standard English order - given name first and family name last. 70.24.247.54 (talk) 04:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)