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Chilean indigenous people[edit]

In the case of Chile, the number given in the article DOES include mestizos who claim indigenous heritage — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.54.19 (talk) 22:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

You can't use the category "mestizo" like that in a meaningful way. There are no countries where being indigenous is limited to people with "fullblood" indigenous ancestry, and in most countries genetic ancestry is not even relevant for determining who is indigenous. In Mexico and several other Latin American countries saying that a mestizo claims heritage is an oxymoron, because being a Mestizo is defined by not claiming indigenous heritage (regardless of the degree of indigenous ancestry). So you can't use the categpry of "mestizo" in the way that you propose, and particularly you can't use it to second guess reliable sources. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

"being a Mestizo is defined by not claiming indigenous heritage" No, not at all. I'm guessing you're american since you're trying to use Mexico as the general rule for all latinamerican countries. It is not. Here in Chile, and the rest of the world (maybe excepting mexico), a mestizo is someone who has a degree of both european and amerindian heritage, that said, you can't say "not including mestizos" while you're refering to Chile, since almost all the "indigenous" population here are mestizos, even I claim indigenous heritage but everyone knows, by all means, that i'm a mestizo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.120.54.19 (talk) 21:56, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not an American, but I do work primarily in Mexico. In any case you cant use the particular Chilean case to second guess reliable sources and change the definition. Further more if it is really the case that in Chile everyone who has "a degree of both european and amerindian heritage" then there are no indigenous peoples in Chile (since even the most conservative and isolated Mapuche have lived in some degree of contact with Europeans for the past 400 years and absorbed both cultural and biological heritage from their neighbors). So that is a fairly useless definition, and frankly I doubt very much that any scholars working seriously with indigeneity in Chile would use it. So please present some sources in support of those claims.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:41, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

An request from WarriorsPride6565[edit]

I couldn't log on to my WarriorsPride6565 account. I got an new computer but I can't remember my password or email-address but anyway I would like to add this piece of important information, please do not prevent the truth. Allow to add this please----->" They are also related to the Amerindians. Blood tests made upon today's Ainu reveal Mongoloid ties."

Book: Proto-religions in Central Asia. Author: Charles Graves, Universitätsverlag Dr. Norbert Brockmeyer, 1994 - History - 223 pages

Link---> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qTFuAAAAMAAJ&q=Proto-Mongoloid+amerindians&dq=Proto-Mongoloid+amerindians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dEW8T7adKpPR8QONpsk2&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg-94.175.118.39 (talk) 3:05, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


Do you agree with these changes?[edit]

Linguistic links[edit]

@Smallchief:I really think that as we have Dené–Yeniseian languages as an article we need to mention possible linguistic links. We can just copy and paste relevant bits from that article per WP:SUMMARY. Dougweller (talk) 20:54, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

    • Yeah, it's far from proven that Dene-Yeniseian are linked -- and maybe never will be, but I don't mind mentioning it -- but not as a fact. It's an intriguing theory so feel free to include it in the article.
It makes sense there might be a linguistic link as the Mal'ta Buret culture was located in the same area in which the Yeniseian languages are spoken today. One can hypothesize that the Mal'ta Buret, were the partial ancestors of both the Yenisians and the Dene.
You probably know this but, just as an observation, many archaeologists believe that the Dene are relatively recent arrivals in the New World, getting here perhaps 10,000 years ago. Thus a link between Dene and Yenisian explains only the origin of a small percentage -- probably something like 2 percent -- of the indigenous peoples living in the Americans. The other 98 percent may have a different origin or origins. Smallchief (talk 21:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
It is reasonably well established that the Dene represent a different migration from all other linguistic groups, and due to their geographic distribution it makes sense to see them as coming later than the "Amerinds" (not considered a valid genetic/linguistic unit) and before the Inuit/Eskaleut. This I would consider pretty well established. Dene-Yeniseian is still open but it looks to me as if it is slowly gaining traction, and some important linguists seem to have accepted it. I have been told that even the critical Eric Hamp has accepted it, although the even more critical Lyle Campbell has not yet.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you, but it is worth a mention. However, you obviously know more about this than I do and hopefully have sources for the Dene's possible late arrival - any chance you could fix the main article and then add something here? Dougweller (talk) 08:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Merger discussion[edit]

Both articles cover the same subject. Amerind peoples could be incorporated into this larger article. —capmo (talk) 22:40, 4 October 2014 (UTC)