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- 1 Operating System
- 2 PRC file format
- 3 File:Amazon kindle.png Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 4 File:Kindle Fire.png Nominated for Deletion
- 5 Kindle Fire Hardware
- 6 Kindle Fire images
- 7 Functionality not present
- 8 Added POV tag
- 9 Rooting
- 10 RIM PlayBook comparisons
- 11 Another criticism is the fact that the Amazon Appstore is not available anywhere outside of the US
- 12 USA-centric article
- 13 Some users of the Kindle Fire report having problems with Wi-Fi, including inability to connect
- 14 No 'Reception' section?
- 15 Hacking/ROM community
- 16 Software Section - Relevance
- 17 Sensor
- 18 2nd Generation Kindle Fire information is mostly missing
- 19 Google Play Store???
- 20 Kindle Fire / HD / HDX
Amazon has made no announcements or indications they'll update the Kindle Fire to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich, it is only available via rooting the device. Unless the plan is to update EVERY single Android device article with every last ROM that it can be rooted with, there's no reason to keep it up there; it is misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
PRC file format
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Kindle Fire Hardware
Brief hardware comparison between the Amazon and Barnes & Noble tablets: see Amazon: Yes, We Know You'll Root Our Tablet article. Maybe someone can use this reference to fill in the infobox. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 06:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Kindle Fire images
Two of the images uploaded were copyvios, and came from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChaseJ589 , another file has been uploaded - this third image File:Kindle fire logo.png appears to be a degraded version of the logo appearing on Amazon's website - it does not actually match accurately the true logo. I suggest it is not used. It is possible that the true logo may be usable under fair use considerations (or due to being simple enough to be non-copyrightable). That is a different issue.Imgaril (talk) 23:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC) I think the iPad and iPod comparison images are misleading.The iPad and iPod are shown with black cases that extend beyond the device and which are difficult to disinguish given the low contrast, making them appear larger than they actually are. The Kindle Fire is shot with a light grey case that is much easier to distinguish from the device, making it appear smaller by comparison. It would be better to have comparison shots without cases if available. Mb0457 (talk) 01:48, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Functionality not present
diff It's not clear to me that mentioning every feature the Kindle Fire lacks (presumably in comparison to the iPad) is encyclopedic, or relevent. Also it would be wise to hold off writing about unknown specs.
For the record the current list appears to be: Bluetooth, 3G, Camera, SD cards, microphone. Some of that is mentioned here  Also no cellular, no GPS  Also no accelerometer / gyroscope, no HDMI  These reports may not be accurate. Imgaril (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Also ePUB support - of all this is probably most relevant - Amazon hasn't listed support built in yet it is possible to read ePUB books via an online via a webpage - so in one sense ePUB support is there. I don't want to advertise so search "epub online" or similar - there are a number of solutions. The issue will probably need to be covered properly when the more is known about the device.Imgaril (talk) 00:16, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Added POV tag
Section talks about something having been accomplished, but does not even approach an explanation of what it is.--Mfwills (talk) 10:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC) There is now a good Wikipedia article on Android rooting that should be linked to.--Aarons510 (talk) 02:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
RIM PlayBook comparisons
PlayBook is very similar in size and uses the same CPU/GPU set. While Fire is often seen as the iPad's biggest challenge, a lot of other analysts thing other Android tables will suffer most. Flightsoffancy (talk) 17:42, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Another criticism is the fact that the Amazon Appstore is not available anywhere outside of the US
"Another criticism is the fact that the Amazon Appstore is not available anywhere outside of the US" Is this really a criticism of the Kindle Fire, seems more like a criticism of Amazon/Amazon Appstore. Especially as the Fire isn't available outside the US yet anyway? Isn't that a bit like saying that a criticism of the Wallmart is that they don't have a firearms department in England even though firearms aren't available in England, or Wallmart for that matter? MattUK (talk) 13:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- I have no idea; it seems fairly unrelated and not a notable 'problem' at any rate. The source pre-dates the release of the Fire as well. Would support the removal of this. Kuru (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
"The Kindle Fire... was released on November 15, 2011" - can this paragraph be updated to say this refers to the United States only? We're still waiting for the Kindle Fire in the UK - in fact, the amazon.co.uk Kindle home page doesn't even mention this as an upcoming product. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I think this is pretty much irelevant, Spotify was only available in the UK for a long time but the article didn't make a bit thing of it, and it happens with many other products, they don't all list in the wikipedia article where they are and aren't available. MattUK (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Some users of the Kindle Fire report having problems with Wi-Fi, including inability to connect
So, let's analyse this silly FUD. Somewhere on plant earth at least two people have had a problem connecting a particular device to their particular WiFi. And this is notable how? I'm not a Fire owner, I have zero interest in religious tablet wars, this just seems pointless 'it is referneced so it should be in the article' crud. Greglocock (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
I also agree. In addition, the article in question is 5 months old, so the issue could have been fixed in that time with a simple firmware update. So, unless there is a more recent citation, or a firm argument of why it should be on the article, I'll be removing it, in addition to the comment on the 'slow' USB speed, as pages on other tablets do not mention transfer speeds through USB or other devices, in addition to the comment on the 'slow' USB speed, as pages on other tablets do not mention transfer speeds through USB or other devices. (PST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk)
No 'Reception' section?
The KF is one of the few really big devices in the Android ROM community. It was notably one of the first devices (if not THE first device) for which an unofficial Android 4.1 Jelly Bean ROM was made. I have no idea what the section would look like, but there really should be a blurb here about it.Roothorick (talk) 16:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Such a section would need to cite to a reliable published source, not simply a forum that shows that soemone did it. The source would need to assert the significance of the claim, and the claim itself. - BilCat (talk) 17:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Software Section - Relevance
What is the point of listing file formats that the Kindle can read. If it is running such an open platform as Android software for virtually any file extension is available.
This section therefore reads more like an advert saying that the product can handle all these common formats, rather than an accurate description of the functionality, despite being technically true. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
This paragraph has been deleted previously on the grounds that it lacks authoritative references. But in my opinion, considering the preponderance of evidence based on information taken from the Internet, the existence of this sensor and the fact that it doesn't presently function has become a well-known fact.
The information about the Kindle Fire's disabled ambient light sensor was culled together from blog posts by several different users who were recounting their experiences with the device, along with my own experience. Other websites show the ambient light sensor being removed from the device. On my original edit I gave as a source a posting that had screen shots from diagnostic software that was used on the Kindle fire giving information on the light sensor along with several other sensors. This was the page: http://www.ericbt.com/Blog/169
It seems that although blogs may not qualify as references, some allowance might be made when there is a preponderance of evidence from different sources.
The following page from Amazon (below) shows indirectly that a light sensor is supported (i.e., exists) on the Kindle Fire. This, along with the physical evidence of the device itself, should be enough to demonstrate a non-functioning light sensor, shouldn't it? https://developer.amazon.com/help/faq.html#KindleFire
2nd Generation Kindle Fire information is mostly missing
There was a 2nd generation Kindle Fire that's not a Fire HD, which is mentioned but details and differentiation is lacking. Suggesting a sub-section specifically for the 2nd generation. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 10:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Google Play Store???
What is Amazon doing with the fire?! I really do like everything about it: the kindle store and the app store...but the google play store is not accessible on the 1st gen the 2nd gen or the hd fire! Amazon needs to add it or their kindle fire sales might plummet.--Isanyonethere10 (talk) 05:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
"This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." That said... Amazon want you to purchase apps through THEIR store, not Google's. They make no money if you buy a game or app from Google, their business plan appears to be sell the hardware relatively cheaply, and instead make the money from your media/app purchases. Rooting/installing Google Play/flashing ROMs is relatively easy, so it isn't the end of the world. AntiSceptic (talk) 09:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Kindle Fire / HD / HDX
I'm proposing we merge the Kindle Fire, Kindle Fire HD, and Kindle Fire HDX articles together. All three of these are essentially part of the Kindle Fire family. The current articles erroneously say the HD is the second generation, and HDX is the third generation; the reality is that it is not this simple. Amazon provides an easy to understand comparison here: https://developer.amazon.com/sdk/fire/specifications.html. Mangoman88 (talk) 22:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. Amazon calls it the HDX the 3rd Gen and the HD 2nd Gen. Also, combining all the Kindle Fire on one page will make it very long, and another reason is iPad has separate pages for each generation. Also, see Talk:Kindle_Fire_HD for further disagreement.Frmorrison (talk) 18:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)