Talk:Kurt Vonnegut

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What is going on with the photo?[edit]

Wasn't there a photo in place before that depicted him as he best known at the peak of his career? What purpose is served by replacing it with a picture taken before he even went to Dresden? I suggest restoring the previous one, unless there were intractable copyright issues, and incorporating others later on in the article as appropriate. Jszigeti (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It was changed in this edit. There is no other free image currently available on Commons. The other image, File:Kurt Vonnegut at CWRU.jpg depicts an elderly Vonnegut from 2004, and is copyrighted. It could be used in this article "Where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information" but the question is whether the Army picture is adequate. Elizium23 (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Kurt was from the US. He is not 'american'. 'American' can include Canadians, Guatemalans, Brazilians, Colombians... Isn't it enough to have co-opted the entire western hemisphere? Do you have to steal their national identity as well?

Sorry, person-who-doesn't-sign-their-name, but "American" is the English word for a citizen of the only country in the world whose name includes the word "America". There are lots of North Americans, South Americans, and Central Americans who aren't Americans. That's just the way it is. Accept that and get on with your life. --Thnidu (talk) 16:48, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Awards[edit]

The boxout lists Vonnegut as receiving the Prisoner of War Medal, but I'm not sure that was ever the case. Though he certainly qualifies for a retroactive award, I can't find evidence that he ever applied for it or collected it. The Kurt Vonnegut Memorial Library displays awards that include his Purple Heart and ribbon bar (to be precise, a couple of ribbon bars, some of which show duplicates and so were probably worn at different times) and it doesn't feature the POWM. Can anyone confirm (or deny) the award?

Furthermore, it seems unusual to me that the European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign ribbon displayed in the Library has three service stars, denoting four separate campaigns. As far as I can tell, Vonnegut would've qualified for two or maybe three at most (Ardennes-Alsace, Central Europe and perhaps Rhineland). Could there be an error in the ribbon's presentation, or am I in error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by StoneColdCrazy (talkcontribs) 22:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposal: Drastic Slashing of "Tributes"[edit]

Hi-ho. It occurs to me that the Tributes section is rather bloated with trivial entries, mainly a bunch of references to his work in rock and pop music. I would like to propose that each of these mentions be moved to the individual pages for the specific works referenced for each entry, i.e. if a bunch of post-hardcore bands referenced "The Euphio Question," then that will be mentioned at the Welcome to the Monkey House article, rather than here.

Many of the pages for Vonnegut's individual novels/short stories include a fair amount of such pop culture cruft, and that's fine, I suppose. I can't really see why some references are elevated to being mentioned here at the author's article...

But it would be a fairly major reduction for the section. Here's what I'm thinking could be easily moved:

  • The Elvis Costello song "Man Out Of Time" is based on the character Billy Pilgrim.
  • The 1975 song, "Nice, Nice, Very Nice", by the rock band Ambrosia uses lyrics Vonnegut wrote for his 1963 novel Cat's Cradle. Vonnegut was delighted with the song and shared a writing credit with the band.
  • The Born Ruffians included in their debut album, Red, Yellow & Blue, a song entitled "Kurt Vonnegut", which contains lines from Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle.
  • "Members Only", a song by experimental hip-hop band Mad Conductor, references a quote from the book of Bokonon in Cat's Cradle: "Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly, Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land, Man got to tell himself he understand."
  • "Happiness By The Kilowatt", a song by Canadian Post-Hardcore band Alexisonfire, makes several references to Vonnegut's short story, "The Euphio Question."
  • The Philadelphia-area based hardcore/post-hardcore band This Day Forward entitled a mostly instrumental song "Euphio Question" on their 2003 release In Response.

Anyway, I'd like to hear if there are any objections. I'll go ahead with this in about a week if it doesn't seem too controversial. And, for the record, I wasn't the one to add the "In Popular Culture" problem template, though I do agree with it. Antepenultimate (talk) 03:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I'm interpreting silence as approval, and I've made the move. I straight-up deleted the Elvis Costello entry; I can find no reliable sources backing it up, and in fact one source that discusses the song's origins specifically and makes no reference to Billy. Reorganized and cleaned-up the other entries as well. Also removed the "In Popular Culture" template now that the trivial stuff is hopefully gone? Antepenultimate (talk) 02:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Page attacked by vandal[edit]

This page is under attack by Redanalsword who thinks replacing the photo of Vonnegut with trash is funny. I rolled back five such demonstrations of creativity and put a warning on User_talk:Redanalsword where two previous warnings appeared. Ornithikos (talk) 19:14, 23 April 2015 (UTC)