Talk:Life and culture of Jat people

Jatt viewpoints to back up Jatt "Facts"

This articles refrences need to be checked. Many of the articles cited as refrence is viewpoints and propaganda by Arya Samaj. Jatts are not land and gentry but the hard working peasantry of North West India. Jatt Rulers are a recent phenomenen. There are a lot of wild and baseless statements in this article.

--Sikh-history (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely false, Sikh-History has been diluting Jat history and mixing up facts for as long as I can remember. If Jat's are not the Land and Gentry in North-West India and "only peasants", than how come all Zaildaars and Lumberdar titles, and Chaudhary/Sardar titles in North West India are only exclusive to Jatt's and not any other caste or tribe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.132.217 (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Entirely agree with above statement. A lot of Sikh historians have been undermining Jatt History in an attempt to dilute it and destroy Jatt ethnic claims, claiming Jatts are a "caste" and castes are forbidden under Sikhism. One simply needs to go around Punjab to understand the social status of the Jatts as the privileged class and as the British called it, "the martial race".

I would remind you of WP:AGF. ThanksSH 11:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Jats in Gujarat

Ethnically there are four groups of people who came to inhabit this land at different points of time and now form the majority here. These are Jats, Ahirs, Rabaris and Harijans. The Jats came from a place in Iran called Half (to be known latter as Jat) and they were herders by occupation. Around five hundred years ago they came to Kutch and Sind in search of new grazing pastures and settled there. Those who joined agriculture called themselves Garasia Jats and those who continued their ancestral occupation were known as Dhanetah Jats, and those who chose to study the Koran became Fakirani Jats.

The jats of Gujarat have many similarities with those of Haryana, Punjab, and Rajasthan. A few villages in Gujarat were jats live are Rampura, Motidhani, Nani Dhani etc. These villages are near about Deesa and Palanpur and the gotras found there are Jakhar, Jyani, Godara, Lunayach, Tada, Siyol, Bhari, Nain, Dhaka etc. The Jats of Gujarat are wealthy and landlords. The Banaskantha district has many Jat villages where a sizable population lives. The Jat population of these villages is about about 30000. These villages are near about national highway 15 and 8. Gujarat state has a sizable Hindu Jat population. There are about 3000 families dwelling in Ahmedabad. 60 % of these people are engaged in Industrial works, such as Mills, Factories and shops. 20 % are in middle level jobs or small-scale industries. Balance 20 % are either in higher-level jobs are middle level Industries. Some Jat families are mill owners also.

The Jats in Gujarat have come from Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, Rajasthan, Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. Patels and Chaudharys of Gujarat consider themselves to be Jats of Gujarat. They are settled mainly in Mehsana district and surrounding areas. The Sagar Milk Dairy is their creation. The Chaudharys of Gujarat are also known as Anjana. The gotras of many of the Chaudharys of Gujarat are similar to those of Jats of North India. They have following gotras as given in list below. The way they are written in Gujarati is given in brackets.

List of Jat gotras

Antal - Utpal (Uplana), Atwal (Ant), Bhatti (Bhatiya), Chauhan, Chawan, Chahar (Chauhan), Dal, Dhal (Del), Dhaliwal, Dhariwal (Dholiya), Gaur, Goru (Gaur, Gor), Godara-Godha (Goda), Gulia (Galia), Henga, Haga (Agre Chaudhary), Katariya (Katotariya), Maan (Manar), Mahla, Mahlawat (Mahiya), Nauhwar (Nauwar), Pallwal (Pilatar), Parihar (Parihar, Padhiyar), Pauniya (Paun), Pawar (Parmar), Punia (Pooliya), Rana (Jat Rana), —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.163.198 (talk) 13:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC) Rathor (Rathor, Rathod), Rawat (Rawat) Sikarwar, Sakarwar (Sakariya), Singhmar (Singh), Sirohi, Saroha (Siroha), Solanki, Solgi (Solanki) Jhorad, Jhor,(jhorar) Note: - The above list comparing the Gotras is based on VP Desai’s book “Bharat ke chaudhary” (Bharatna Anjana). VP Desai has mentioned that this caste had done great struggle for the freedom of India and they ruled India for about ten centuries democratically.

Reference

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burdak 04:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No Jats in Gujarat in 1931 cencus

The information extracted from Jat people article The state-wise break-up of the total Jat population (including the Hindu, Sikh and Muslim) is given in the following table:[11]

Name of state Jat Population 1931 Jat Population 1988 (estimated) Ajmer-Marwar 29,992 104,972 Blochistan 93,726 369,365 Bombay Presidency 54,362 216,139 CP & Brar 28,135 98,473 Delhi 53,271 187,072 Jammu & Kashmir 148,993 581,477 NWFP 76,327 302,700 Punjab 6,068,302 22,709,755 Rajasthan 1,043,153 3,651,036 UP & Avadh 810,114 2,845,244 Total 8,406,375 31,066,253

Shyamsunder 17:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Details can be had from the Census figures of Gujarat, under what caste they recorded. But thing becomes slightly clear from VP desai writing them Anjana or Chodhary in Gujarati. Most of them write as Patels. That is why probably they were not recorded as Jats. But the figure I have given are from the Jat Association of Gujarat and may vary regarding numbers but Gotras can not be wrong. These are all Jat gotras. Jats in Gujarat and also in Madhya Pradesh are termed as Patels. Only when you enquire from his gotra to what caste they belong they will tell you Jat.

--burdak 06:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hard working people

I have added a POV tag to this section as it contains extremely generalised and unprovable comments such as: "Jats are the backbone of cultivation and in city business. In agriculture they have proved to be the best farmers. A young Jat of India, energetic as he is . .."

There is no place in the Wikipedia for such vague and meaningless statements - however, I believe this section could be rewritten so that it factual, and does not sound like a series of childish, boastful claims. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC) PS. I believe the "Love for Land" section also needs a major rewrite - it is presently a collection of syrupy generalisations. The same material could be written up as cultural traditions and in terms which don't make it sound like a romantic fantasy. John Hill (talk) 22:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Landed Barons?

Surely this is made up. Zamindar does not mean landed baron. It means Peasant proprietor or landlord peasant, but not baron.Thanks

<-- No, because Chaudhary is a title exclusive to Jatts in North-West India, and because it is hereditary, it is equivalent to Barron.

Upper Class and Land and Gentry

Who is writing this stuff. This is not what I have read or remember growing up. This could be of many Sikh Jats but not all. Where are the page numbers for this. This seems like the people who are writing this page are using their own books as references. Jats backing up Jat statements? This is against NPOV. Thanks