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From Naka gusuku, now a redirect: "I have never seen this name Romanized as two distinct words. I realize that the purpose is to draw attention to the fact that it is a "gusuku", the "Central Castle" among the other castles; I also realize this name makes it distinct from the Nakagusuku geographical area. I can't imagine anyone thinking to search using the two distinct terms, however: a google of "Naka gusuku" as two distinct words brings up a paltry 566 hits, whereas a google of "Nakagusuku castle" brings up over 10,000. I am moving this to a new article, "Nakagusuku (castle)", and putting up a redirect here at "Naka gusuku". I will repost this message at Nakagusuku (castle)."

If I'm in the wrong, let me know. Turly-burly 00:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv (talk) 21:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naka Castle → Nakagusuku Castle — I do not believe that this should be translated as it has been, splitting Naka from gusuku and translating only half; "Nakagusuku" is the placename, not Naka, and I have never seen Nakagusuku as represented as anything but a single, indivisible term. In fact, I have a source that describes the castle as 中城城 (Nakagusuku-jō), or "Nakagusuku Castle". If there are those who feel that naming the article Nakagusuku Castle would be redundant and absurd, akin to "Mount Fuji-san", I would be perfectly amenable to a compromise such as Nakagusuku (castle). LordAmeth (talk) 14:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I should like to add that while I have seen, for example, Shuri and Katsuren Castles referred to as both Shuri-gusuku and Shuri-jō, Katsuren-gusuku and Katsuren-jō, implying a sense that Shuri and Katsuren are the integral parts of the placenames, gusuku or jō being simply an indication of the meaning "castle," whether in native Okinawan terminology or mainstream Japanese langage, never have I seen Nakagusuku referred to as Naka-jō, only ever as Nakagusuku or Nakagusuku-jō, thus implying a different sense than with these other castles, that "Nakagusuku" is the fundamental integral placename. LordAmeth (talk) 14:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - It's hard to argue with LordAmeth's reasoning, especially in his second post. Just think, if there were a castle in Newcastle, England, it would be called Newcastle Castle, not New Castle. In addition, a quick Google search reveals that there are many more instances of "Nakagusuku Castle" (14,700) than "Naka Castle" (567). And considering LordAmeth was willing to compromise with Nakagusuku (castle), I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be renamed to either Nakagusuku Castle or Nakagusuku (castle). I personally feel the former would be perfectly appropriate.--Witan 20:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - I agree completely with both of the above comments.--MChew (talk) 15:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Nakagusuku Castle. That's the correct name. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. If it matters, the Japanese article is at 中城城 (Nakagusuku-jō, i.e. "Nakagusuku Castle"). — AjaxSmack 04:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The local village administration themselves call it Nakagusuku Castle. (Hint: scroll down to the very bottom of the page.) They also provide several ways to contact if any further details or preferences are required. Bendono (talk) 07:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Current name seems to be a Wikipediaism (that's a neologism coined especially for Wikipedia - not always a bad thing, but not good for article names). Common name in English is Nakagusuku Castle. Andrewa (talk) 15:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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