Talk:Turkish language

Two remarks

• In History section it seems an earlier reference to Turkish had been deleted. But the next sentence had been left untouched: ...Orkhon inscriptions... between 732 and 735, constitute another important early record.... If there is no previous reference, how can Orkhun inscriptions be called another early record ?
• The subsection verbs certainly deserves more attention. The most powerful tool of Turkish is the number of tenses. In the article only the 9 simple tenses have been shown. But most of them can have 3 more time forms (Turkish: Bileşik zaman) making the number of tenses 29. Since most of these can also take the so called combined forms (Turkish: Bileşik fiil) the number of tenses may exceed 100. At least the names of these cases should have been mentioned. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Word Order

One very important feature of Turkish language is missing from the article, which is the complete flexibility in word order in poetic or emotionally charged language. As the example in the article goes, one can use limited variations of "Hakan okula gitti" to stress different facts (stressing school or Hakan), but a mother who sent his son away to a boarding school might say "Hakanım gitti okula" (My Hakan went to school), "Gitti Hakan okula," "Okula gitti Hakan," "Gitti okula Hakan," or any other variation with perfectly acceptable grammar structure, often, but not necessarily stressing different aspects of the emotion (that he is gone, that he is gone, that he is gone to school, that he is gone to school, to school he is gone, etc.) . Okans (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)okans

Edit request from Horzel, 18 May 2010

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and by immigrant communities in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Switzerland, Holland, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland , United Kingdom, United States and Canada

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and by immigrant communities in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Switzerland, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, United Kingdom, United States and Canada

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Somehow the square brackets are in the wrong place, I left out Holland, since it is a synonym for the Netherlands, which is mentioned already. Thank you, Eric Horzel (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Tim Pierce (talk) 20:38, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

French vocabulary

How is there so much???Domsta333 (talk) 01:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

What's your problem? Do you think

1. that Turkish contains too many French loan words? An encyclopedia should report the facts as they are, not as anyone wishes them to be.
2. that the article cites too many French loan words? French is the second largest source of loan words in Turkish. In the article I see
   • "fırka has been replaced by the French loanword parti"
   • "Many loanwords from Arabic and French, however, take front-vowel suffixes after final back vowels:" [three examples, all from Arabic AFAIK; here it would be good to add a French example!]
   • "The road sign in the photograph above illustrates several of these features: ... a loanword also violating vowel harmony: viyadük ("viaduct" < French viaduc)"
   • [a footnote to ne oldum delisi, glossed as literally "what-have-I-become!":] "Note the similarity with the French phrase un m'as-tu-vu "a have-you-seen-me?", ie a vain and pretentious person."

All of these are appropriate. If you have a problem, state it clearly and give your reasons. --Thnidu (talk) 21:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

French vocabulary

How is there so much???Domsta333 (talk) 01:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

ğ = [ɰ], not [ɣ]

If Turkish phonology has a velar approximant [ɰ] consonant, represented by the letter ğ, why is the character for the velar fricative [ɣ] is used instead? As it is apparent here WP:IPA for Turkish, that velar fricative [ɣ] is Azerbaijani only. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

v = [β] ?

In the Sample section, I see the character [β] (Voiced bilabial fricative) is used for the letter v, which should be pronounced as [v] (Voiced labiodental fricative) as noted at WP:IPA for Turkish. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from F.Mehmet (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello, could we add Old Anatolian Turkish subtitle to the "Turkish language#History" section of this article. Thanks and Greetings. -F.Mehmet (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

wrong words in Turkish Name section

"Medine" isn't mean city (I have never heard this); city is in Turkish "Kent" or "Şehir"... And "nur" isn't light; light is "Işık" (nur is Arabic borrowing, in Turkish this mean "Holy light".. and we dont use "Cihan", World is "Dünya" (or Earth:yer, yeryüzü).. and "Volcano" is "Yanardağ"... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emyr93 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

The names in the section "Turkish Name" are not grammatical name (= noun); are "personal name" :-) --Kmoksy (talk) 17:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Dimensionality of vowel system

"The Turkish vowel system can be considered as being two-dimensional, where vowels are characterised by two features: front and back and rounded and unrounded" What about vowel height?--ZealousGnome (talk) 01:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 18.111.43.121, 13 September 2011

Please add Iran to the list of countries where Turkish is spoken. The Azari minority, including millions of people residing in the north western areas of Iran, speak Turkish as a native language.

18.111.43.121 (talk) 19:17, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Don't they speak a Turkic language, but necessarily Turkish? I would think they speak mainly Azerbaijani. — Bility (talk) 17:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

not the offical language of cyprus.

turkish is not the offical language of cyprus but rather the turkish republic of cyprus. and even then turkish cypriot should be added also — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.108.254 (talk) 22:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is. Muslim lo Juheu (talk) 17:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Additional sounds?

I spent some time in Turkey, and I noticed one characteristic of the language not reflected in this article: before the letters r and l, an e is pronounced as [æ] in most cases. e.g. elma [ælma] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.71.228.214 (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)