Talk:Vladimir Dal

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Anekdot[edit]

Ехал как-то раз В. Даль по N-ской губернии. "Замолаживает", – сказал ямщик. "Замолаживает", – записал Даль в свою тетрадь, – в N-ской губернии означает…" "Замолаживает, – повторил ямщик, – холосо бы, балин, к ветелу до делевни доблаться".

Biography assessment rating comment[edit]

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 02:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Judaism Unrelated[edit]

The man made one of the greatest contributions to Russian/Eastern Slavic Studies of all time. He, himself, was Ukrainian-born and included Ukrainian as a dialect of Russian. His dictionary is still the definitive source on the Russian language. THAT can be considered important. Minor display of antisemitism during lifetime? a) hasn't got much to do with Judaism, b) too minor and typical to be meaningful, c) listed "misconception" has been attributed to various Europeans and Christians spanning half a millenium in the least, from Hussites/Defenestration to Russian Revelotion - may just be a long-running joke never taken seriously by all but the most dense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.195.186.63 (talk) 17:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Such unserious stories have existed through the ages. In Slavic cultures, the re-telling of such myths is sarcastic, testing the wit of the listener, and having a collective laugh at the expense of those dense enough to believe them.

Kazak Lugansky ("Cossack from Luhansk")[edit]

Is there a source for that translation? I take some issue with it because the word "Kazakh" has nothing to do with Cossacks.

See [discussion elsewhere on Wikipedia]. Jeffholton (talk) 03:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Beilis trial[edit]

The 1914 publication may be related to testimony on day 24 of the trial. Prof. Ivan Sikorsky was called to testify on behalf of the ritual murder charge illegally leveled at Beilis (there was no such crime listed in the Russian penal code, the law allowing it was repealed in 1906) and referenced Dal. The prosecution was obsessed with Chassidic Jews as involved in ritual murder, which I believe is attributable to Dal. The transcript is at ldn-knigi in Russian. The citation is on page 255 of volume II of the transcript (part 2 of Volume II). Sikorsky was not a reliable witness having only minutes earlier mis-cited Isaak Cremieux. The judge called him to order several times for ranting instead of addressing the psychological aspects of the Yushchinsky case. 108.56.212.179 (talk) 16:49, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

factual error[edit]

If the book was published during the Beilis trial, or even on the eve of it as the Russian language article says, then it wasn't published in 1914, it was published in 1913. 108.56.212.179 (talk) 17:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What Turkic langauge did he speak?[edit]

The article at this point says that he spoke "Turkic", with a Wikilink to the article on "Turkic languages". That article tells us that there are at least 35 Turkic languages. Which of the Turkic languages did he speak? To say he spoke "Turkic" is similar to saying somebody spoke "Slavic" or "Indo-Iranian". Pete unseth (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right! That sentence (along with its unanswered "by whom?" tag) is gone until its inserter can bring a citation for it. Although I hunted down a reference for his being a Turkologist from the Tatar Wikipedia. The Turkish Wikipedia says Dal knew "Türk dili ve lehceleri" (the Turkish language and its dialects). Beware: the Turkish Wikipedia's article on Turkic languages, "Türk dilleri" (note the use of the same word for both Turkish and Turkic), discusses a concept that isn't found in the corresponding English WP article: the belief that, instead of 35 Turkic languages, there exists only one Turkish language, of which Azeri, Uzbek, Sakha, etc., are its "dialects." Perhaps a similar failure to distinguish Turkish from Turkic was behind the assertion in question. An unstated assumption like that can catch readers unaware. Good you called it out. Johanna-Hypatia (talk) 23:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Citing information[edit]

There is a list of references, but they are rarely use to support claims in different paragraphs in the article. This goes against Wikipedia policies. Where does the information come from?EkaterinaMir (talk) 04:07, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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