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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by HJ Mitchell (talk) 17:20, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Maxwell and Tuke[edit]

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Blackpool Tower

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nominated at 10:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough. Clearly notable on these important architects. Supported by ample sources. Duplication and plagiarism checking reveals no copyvio or close paraphrasing. QPQ confirmed. Hook and article are neutral, and the hook is very interesting. Picture is clear to use and usable at this resolution. Hook is amply supported by all of the many sources. One book I could not read, but it is one of many reliable and overlapping sources and I WP:AGF. Good to go. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
List of works by Maxwell and Tuke is also new enough to be a DYK. Maybe this should be worked in as a double? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't really see what's interesting about this hook.--Carabinieri (talk) 03:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I never knew who the architects of Blackpool Tower were so I agree with the reviewer and think it's very interesting. J3Mrs (talk) 10:01, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Or what about adding ". . .Blackpool Tower then Britain's tallest building, second in the world to the Eiffel Tower"? At the time these were extraordinary buildings. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of that building's importance. I agree that should be added.--Carabinieri (talk) 10:07, 3 October 2014

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It's in the article and referenced. I put it there myself. As I noted above, List of works by Maxwell and Tuke is a wonderful little article that really should have been a companion DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:14, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I have reopened this DYK as the claim in the hook may be sourced, but it is incorrect, as explained at WT:DYK. I also note that there has not been a review of the hook, it was created and sourced by User:7&6=thirteen, and immediately promoted by Carabinieri without the required review inbetween. Fram (talk) 07:23, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you just say ... "... that the architects Maxwell and Tuke designed Blackpool Tower (pictured) and the since-demolished New Brighton Tower?" The Blackpool Tower is a nationally famous landmark thanks to promotion by Peter Kay and Strictly Come Dancing (among others), far more than most seaside attractions, so its appearance in a hook will attract more attention than you might otherwise expect. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I did not check the factual accuracy of the added statements (about the rankings of the building). WP:Truth. Hypothetically, if I had, I would probably have taken the oft-repeated statements from WP:RSs at face value, and they are in the article. I took them at face value. Wile the Washington Monument is a man-made structure, I don't know that I would classify the obelisk as a building. I did bring up the procedural issue of the review process to User:Carabinieri as to the change in the hook, as I thought there might be static.
The original proposed hook is still absolutely reliable namely:
This from the Washington Monument article: "Upon completion, it became the world's tallest structure, a title previously held by the Cologne Cathedral. The monument held this designation until 1889, when the Eiffel Tower was completed in Paris, France." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the Washington Monument can be debated, but the Mole Antonelliana and the Ulm Minster are both a bit earlier and a bit higher, and clearly buildings. Fram (talk) 12:41, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. The claim can be attributed to a narrow "world" view. We should not repeat the erroneous information on the main page. And I will correct the articles (not today, but tomorrow) to reflect the "truth" and the fact of the erroneous claims. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:53, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. I've restored this to the queue, less the "second-tallest" claim. That seems to be the only issue with the hook. Thanks for raising it, Fram. I can't figure out how to close this discussion (it just looks like a mess in preview mode), so I'd be grateful if somebody could do it for me and attach my name. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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