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::::::: Yes, and so what? You’re missing the point, Persia(n) is also used to refer to the country, as innacurrate as it may be. What I prefer is irrelevant, we have rules here, which I suggest you read. I think this discussion is over. [[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) |
::::::: Yes, and so what? You’re missing the point, Persia(n) is also used to refer to the country, as innacurrate as it may be. What I prefer is irrelevant, we have rules here, which I suggest you read. I think this discussion is over. [[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) |
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:::::::: From [[WP:COMMONNAME]]: "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names. Example: The word "French" commonly refers to either the people or the language". In most articles about the Safavid wars were called Safavid-X War and named "Persian - X War" causing confusion because Persian was a name of only one etnic group of Safavid Empire. --[[User:Qızılbaş|Qızılbaş]] ([[User talk:Qızılbaş#top|talk]]) 10:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
:::::::: From [[WP:COMMONNAME]]: "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names. Example: The word "French" commonly refers to either the people or the language". In most articles about the Safavid wars were called Safavid-X War and named "Persian - X War" causing confusion because Persian was a name of only one etnic group of Safavid Empire. --[[User:Qızılbaş|Qızılbaş]] ([[User talk:Qızılbaş#top|talk]]) 10:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC) |
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hi Qızılbaş, i hope you decide to stick around in the English Wikipedia, you may like to check out the the English Azerbaijan Wikiproject, you could even add you name to its list of participants, i am sure they will be happy to welcome you to their team:)). ps. regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azerbaijan Journal of Educational Studies, you are welcome to provide input to the discussion (here is some information about the process which i have found useful).
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- HistoryofIran Hello. Do you talk about my edits on Persian–Portuguese War ? This article describes the Safavid army as a Persian army. Safavid army consist of different Turks tribes (in modernday this tribes is ancestors of Azerbaijan Turks or Azerbaijani people), not Persians. This fact is confirmed by Willem Floor (Safavid Government Institutions), Roger Savory (Iran under the Safavids) and others. Don't you agree with me that army who fought against Portuguese is Safavid army ? I do not claim that Safavid army only consist of Turkmen tribes (most of them were Turks), but at the same time, this army was not Persian army. Thank you.--Qızılbaş (talk) 06:23, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- The ethnicity of the army has zero relevance here. The country was Iranian/Persian, and thus the army is accordingly called that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:10, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- HistoryofIran OK. But the term of "Persian" is the name of ethnicity. Do you agree with me that to call it "Safavid|Iran–Portuguese War" is better than "Persian–Portuguese War" ? --Qızılbaş (talk) 14:00, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- No, please read my comment again. HistoryofIran (talk)
- HistoryofIran, Safavid country was called Mamlakati-Safaviyya, Mamlakati-Kızılbash, Realm of Iran, The Country of Iran..., not Persian or Persia by by themselves. Expression of Persian emphasize etnicity, not a country. We must remember that Safavi country was a dynastic empire, not a nation-state or other somethink. --Qızılbaş (talk) 06:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- No, please read my comment again. HistoryofIran (talk)
- HistoryofIran OK. But the term of "Persian" is the name of ethnicity. Do you agree with me that to call it "Safavid|Iran–Portuguese War" is better than "Persian–Portuguese War" ? --Qızılbaş (talk) 14:00, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this looks like WP:OR to me. Please read WP:COMMONNAME as well. HistoryofIran (talk)
- Sorry, but I do not think so. It does not belong to what I wrote. "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist." But I refered to Willem Floor, Roger Savory. --Qızılbaş (talk) 07:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the fact that the Safavid Empire was named Iran is obvious. I was referring to all the other stuff you claimed. Please show reliable sources for that. HistoryofIran (talk)
- But you changed article's name to back as a "Persian–Portuguese War", it seems that I repeat again that expression of Persian emphasize etnicity, not a country. We must remember that Safavi country was a dynastic empire, not a nation-state or other somethink. If you want you can read about this issues from here - about nation-state "Most theories see the nation state as a 19th-century European phenomenon, facilitated by developments such as state-mandated education, mass literacy and mass media. However, historians also note the early emergence of a relatively unified state and identity in Portugal and the Dutch Republic.[1]", Persians - "The Persians are an Iranian ethnic group that make up over half the population of Iran."[2]. --Qızılbaş (talk) 08:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- The sentence looks like a copy paste of unfinished article from Wikipedia. The first source isnt even reliable either. In English, Persia(n) is used to refer to the country as well, that should be pretty obvious. As I said, please read WP:COMMONNAME. HistoryofIran (talk)
- Don't you agree with me that Persian is a etnic name ? Yes, sometimes this word is used to refer to the country in English, but not Persians. You called article Persian–Portuguese War, what do you mean, in this war had fought only Persians ? If you intend "expression of Persian" as a country name (?) you must prefer Safavid.--Qızılbaş (talk) 10:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, and so what? You’re missing the point, Persia(n) is also used to refer to the country, as innacurrate as it may be. What I prefer is irrelevant, we have rules here, which I suggest you read. I think this discussion is over. HistoryofIran (talk)
- From WP:COMMONNAME: "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names. Example: The word "French" commonly refers to either the people or the language". In most articles about the Safavid wars were called Safavid-X War and named "Persian - X War" causing confusion because Persian was a name of only one etnic group of Safavid Empire. --Qızılbaş (talk) 10:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, and so what? You’re missing the point, Persia(n) is also used to refer to the country, as innacurrate as it may be. What I prefer is irrelevant, we have rules here, which I suggest you read. I think this discussion is over. HistoryofIran (talk)
- Don't you agree with me that Persian is a etnic name ? Yes, sometimes this word is used to refer to the country in English, but not Persians. You called article Persian–Portuguese War, what do you mean, in this war had fought only Persians ? If you intend "expression of Persian" as a country name (?) you must prefer Safavid.--Qızılbaş (talk) 10:00, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- The sentence looks like a copy paste of unfinished article from Wikipedia. The first source isnt even reliable either. In English, Persia(n) is used to refer to the country as well, that should be pretty obvious. As I said, please read WP:COMMONNAME. HistoryofIran (talk)
- But you changed article's name to back as a "Persian–Portuguese War", it seems that I repeat again that expression of Persian emphasize etnicity, not a country. We must remember that Safavi country was a dynastic empire, not a nation-state or other somethink. If you want you can read about this issues from here - about nation-state "Most theories see the nation state as a 19th-century European phenomenon, facilitated by developments such as state-mandated education, mass literacy and mass media. However, historians also note the early emergence of a relatively unified state and identity in Portugal and the Dutch Republic.[1]", Persians - "The Persians are an Iranian ethnic group that make up over half the population of Iran."[2]. --Qızılbaş (talk) 08:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the fact that the Safavid Empire was named Iran is obvious. I was referring to all the other stuff you claimed. Please show reliable sources for that. HistoryofIran (talk)
- Sorry, but I do not think so. It does not belong to what I wrote. "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist." But I refered to Willem Floor, Roger Savory. --Qızılbaş (talk) 07:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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