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Star Wars articles

Please stop changing the category titles for the Star Wars films from "science fantasy" to "science fiction". Lucas has stated in many interviews that the films are not science fiction and this has been accepted in recent years by the general media. Sources for some of these can be found in the A New Hope article. Thank you. The Filmaker 18:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please, the fact of Star Wars "science fantasy" category has been voted through on a number of FACs regarding the prequel trilogy. All prequel trilogy films are now featured articles, they are considered to be the best on Wikipedia. If you wish to dispute the category, do so in the talk page of one of the films instead of simply changing the article to your liking. On Wikipedia we work by consensus, and the majority of editors believe that Star Wars is "science fantasy". However, if you have suitable reasoning as to why it should be changed, please state it in the talk page and we may agree with you. Thank you. The Filmaker 15:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your Star Trek concerns

Sir, I have read and noted your concerns on the Star Trek main article talk page. I am not going to call you a "moron" outright, although I may just question your motives in this case. This is not a reflection on your intelligence nor your capacity for rational thought (which it would be if I did call you a moron), but rather a rebuke against your provocative statements on that talk page which are clearly calculated to incite.

Star Trek is science fiction because it involves a narrative setting which differs from the present-day real world in terms of technology and futurology. The futurology aspect is "scientific" because the narrative specifically invokes scientific advances and discoveries as the motive force behind the development of society to the state seen in the stories. That is, economic and religious factors are negligible or absent factors in the narrated future as depicted in Star Trek; the characters do the things they do because they have more advanced scientific and technological knowledges, resources and tools than we do in this present day. This is axiomatically "science fiction".

You have - fairly, in my opinion - cited examples of storylines and narrative events which appear to have no scientific basis, eg Charlie Evans. However those things, whilst better classified as fantasy in their own right, do not alter the classification of the whole as science fiction. The characters in the episode Charlie X travel in a starship and do many other things which are science-based fiction.

You provocatively cite something which clearly irritates you personally, being the outrageous claim of Trekkies that the cell phone was invented thanks to Star Trek. Bringing up this one example - which is refutable by simply pointing to Get Smart or to Dick Tracy - diminishes your attempt to puncture Star Trek's scientific credentials, because you specifically failed to refute it. You merely trashed it, which is not a valid argument. It is well documented that the scientists and inventors of today have found inspiration in the fiction of the past, of which Star Trek is a part. The enthusiasm of Trekkies to promote the importance of their own in this process is perfectly understandable, and should not cause you any unease. If you don't agree with such fan statements, then good for you. I also think the importance of Star Trek in the development of late-20th century technology is overstated - the Apollo Program had many times the degree of influence.

I am disturbed by this statement of yours -

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Forget I even asked.I came looking for answers(I even pleaded for answers only) not discussions.And both times I got lectures.So forget I even asked since I probably won;t find the answers i seek

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- because your frustration (at being unable to engage Star Trek fans in a debate) clearly blinded you to the fact that you were the first to give a lecture. If you wanted answers, you should have asked a short and constructive question instead of sprinkling your lecture with merely rhetorical questions. "Where's the science in that?" is not a question seeking information, it is a rebuke phrased as a question and will usually not encourage meanignful answers.

This statement was buried in your lecture: I'd like someone to answer what Star Trek has to do with science at all. I conclude here by saying, I hope you now have a good answer, and that you can live with it. Darcyj 13:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was not my intention at all to provoke any Trekkies or to trash Star Trek in any way.(The only trashing it deserves is it is exagerrating the "science" in it or better "abusing scientific terms and concepts" as Dr Micheal Wong puts it.).I only provided a long list of examples,so my point is understood better and not rebuffed as a "lecture". True,Star Trek may have science in it but the magical elements are too significant to go unnoticed,(as I stated almost every episode and not just charlie X has it)which is why it should be classified as science fiction/fantasy. The "unease" that I have is that people(especially gullable people) who are not too well educated in science and mathamatics will start precieving Star Trek to be reality as Trekkies always promote it to be.I believed all this much before I even stumbled accross Dr Wong's page.(Whom by the way has recieved death threats and threats of injuries from Trekkies for the things he proves). I never said Trekkies are not allowed to promote their enthusiasm.Trekkies can call themselves Bush haters for all I care.But crossing the line is where they try to impose their beliefs that Star Trek is "science" or "the future"(thus misguiding people) or that "Star Trek rocks compared to Star Wars"(That's a POV by the way).Give me a break. Please you spelled meaningful as meanignful.So before checking others' minor spelling mistakes,please check your own.Nadirali 00:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali (just erase my statement from the Star Trek talk page if it still "disturbs" you)Thanks.[reply]

Re:supporting the removal of the refferences of the Indus

Thank you very much. Just what I expected from you. Thanks again. Szhaider 18:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Erielhonan

Allright,I'll respond to the points you have made one by one. "Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page.Please don't post on my talk archive page,as it doesnt become available for other readers to read." For your information,if I had no problem accessing your talk page and being able to see all the previous conversations that have taken place,I really don't see why another user would have a problem in finding them.Unless you're trying to suggest they have less common sense than me.

"I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything about your warning against corrupting forces on wikipedia ,or about how south asians and Arabs are conflated in western minds and portrayed negatively. Well ironically enough,I didn't know(and still don't know) why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about violating the rules. Me doing that would be a loss for me,and I personally don't see how that would harm you in anyway at all.

"I just mentioned your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade." I'm really sorry that my tone sounded like I was on a 'crusade',just as I am sorry that anyone who is involved in anti-corruption committies and happen to share the same tone as me sound that they're on a crusade.

"I referred to your rhetoric as nationlistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impendance to their seeing the truth,or words to that effect." Then by your logic,my concern about too many police officers here in Canada being white and bullying non-white teenagers(particularly black)somehow makes me a nationalist. See nationalism here or here.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism No harm in maintaining your vocabulary.

"I dont have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language,and I don't have any biogotry towards South Asians." First off,I didn't know South Asians spoke one language or shared a common culture.Feel free to edit any SA articles that mention South Asia consisting of many languages and cultures or nations.I don't remember saying you had a "bigotry" towards South Asians .I must be suffering from memory loss.I have a doctors appointment on Sunday.I'll ask him to add a check for memory loss on his check-up list.

"Before you correct me on my statements above,let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts.Please grant me the right to be wrong,just this once." Before asking others to grant you the "right to be wrong",I suggest you allow them the same right,such as allowing me to be wrong about my user page being my own.

"If you want to continue conversing with me,please let's do it on your talk page.I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though,because I don't find them very interesting topics." Actually I'm not very interested in a conversing with a person I never started talking to in the first place,but agree to limit it to my talk page if it must go on. I too,won't respond to anymore talk on my user page not being my own or deleting content from my user page,or even the subject of nationalism that I never brought up in the first place as I dont find them very interesting topics. I hope that answers everything. Nadirali 04:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali[reply]

Like I said, you win. I do want to point out (no need to reply here or anywhere else) that when I use the word "language" without a definite article I am referring to language as a group noun, not a count noun. For instance, "South Asian language" (referring to the languages that originate in South Asia) v. "the Gujarati language" (referring to a specific language). It's tricky I know, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Also, please don't post to my talk page anymore unless it's on a completely unrelated issue (like an article we both have edited). I would like to be done with this conversation, so feel free to have your last words but please do it on this page and not on mine. Thanks. Erielhonan 06:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC) It's good to know the person on the right side always comes out the winner.Regards.Nadirali 16:44, 4 December 2006[reply]

Advice

I suggest that you stop responding to Kumarnator. The discussions lead to nowhere other than mud-slinging and personal attacks. Thank you. --Ragib 08:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just when I was having a good time with him.But I agree it leads to nowhere and never did.If he only stopped messaging me all the time,it would have stopped a long time ago.Nadirali 15:25, 6 December 2006

Hi Nadir

Nadir thanx for message,my big brother name is also Nadir Ali. good to know that mother is sindhi i bet she is must be good mother ,well mother are always good,but being mother with sufism from roots is kinda awesome, u must be getting what i am trying to say.Lets do some thing good for mother Sindh.i offten watch some pages, i feel difficulty here,it is kinda new to me being here and working and still i have not checked ,what one user can do here and can not Do.

khalidkhoso

Dear Nadir Thanx for message again.u said i called ur mother suif? no u can read i did not call her Sufi. i said as she is sindh she is having roots in sufi-ism,wel my self i am not sufi neither but i like it's idealogy ,i am myself a sunni too but as you see peoples around you(specially in sindh,big saint like sachal,Sami,Latif Sarkar),you just start thing these are right they never hurt any one.i never seen peoples fighting in name of religion(except karachi,it is not sindhi dominated area).I belive religion is relation between you and your God and i think no buddy have right to argue you becacuse it is you and him.if that makes me sufi then ok,but i pratice as sunni wahabi. when you visited hyderabad last time? i will some more topics in indus river,i need your support becasue this time you will fight with your own peoples,beacuse as there is no water in delata of indus river,so i will add it indus river and i know many punjabi user will try to remove it as they doing in Akber Bugti page.

Regards

9 December

User:khalidkhoso:khalidkhoso

Check this out bro

We share a lot of the same views. Please see my page and visit the forum I have linked to. Its a site dedicated to making people aware and getting them to recognise the history and identity of Pak. The Admin of the site is looking for a moderating team. If you want to, you can make that. looking forward to hear from ya. Unre4L —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unre4L (talk • contribs) 03:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Sorry. Thought I posted the link. Here it is anyway. http://www.pakhub.info/ I plan on donating to admin for a domain for it next week. Unre4L

2 sides of the story need to be heard

I think you need to here my side of the story before taking sides.Personal attacks have been launched against me by the same users who reported me along with attempting to intimidate user:Saddiqui by making threatening comments. They have also vandalized my comments once and have been trolling with there provokitive comments non-stop.They have also accussed me of being a "maddrassa student".If anyone's been trolling it's them.Nadirali 04:05, 9 December 2006

I'm not taking sides. It doesn't matter if people have been levying personal attacks against you; you still are not allowed to attack others. If people are attacking you, warn them using {{npa}}, {{npa2}}, {{npa3}}, and {{npa4}}, or {{civil1}} and {{civil2}}. -- tariqabjotu 04:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your site is not working

Hello Nadir hw ru today Yar ,i try to open ur site but it is not working i do not know why?can u help me in this regard .i was using it from office? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 04:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Khalid Im good thanx.I will be unable to respond to you for now as I have been blocked as a punishment for violating the wikipedia:incivility and wikipedia:personal attacks rules.Once the block is lifted,I will message you and help you open the site.Please note that the government of Pakistan has blocked access to the site for political disputes with the world Sindhi institute.However there still is a way for you to access the site from Pakistan.Once my block is lifted,I will hlep you access the site.Until then see you.Nadirali 05:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali[reply]

Hey Nadir ,i opened ur site with www.ghostproxy.com ,it by pass local proxy.i do nt knw why ur site was blocked by admin here,anways,it was nice work by u on that site.ok sure will be waiting for ur response.How can help U ,in sindhiworld forum?lemme knw if i can i wll sure.hey wat is ur mailing address?

Just email world Sindhi institute with the questions you have.I just hope it's safe as the Pak government doesnt want people visiting the site,but if you can visit the safely that's fine,just email them your questions.Thankyou.Nadirali 15:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali[reply]

Hi agin Nadir, i though u r blocked and can not replay anyways Welcome Back.

Question

Hi Nadirali, I saw the discussion at Talk:History_of_India#indian_hijacking_of_Pakistan.27s_history and posted a question for you which I'll hope you will answer. Thanks a lot Gizza^Chat ^© 06:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Empire

What would the error be? The Filmaker 21:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. The Filmaker 19:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Portals

Hi! Portals are actually alternate Main Pages on wikipedia. They contain content similar to the wikipedia front page. But unlike the main page, portals are devoted to a specific topic. Hence they contain pictures, articles, "Did you know"s, etc. on that topic alone. See this page for all the info about portals. Ping me if you have any further questions.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 00:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Anti-vandal programs

Hello again! Thanks for the congratulations. (You can call me Deepu by the way ) Reg. anti-vandal programs : Actually, adding the vandal sniper template to your userpage does not protect it from vandal attacks. Vandal sniper is a program that you can download to your computer. When it is run, it scans through all the recent changes and list out those that the program thinks might be a case of vandalism. It also gives you an option to revert these changes easily.

So, in short, those people who have the vandal sniper template on their user pages are only saying that they run the Vandal sniper program and will revert any vandalism immediately using it. Their userpages remain as vulnerable as any other. I think you get the idea. The template is just a graphic, and does nothing. I recommend you try out Vandal sniper or the anti-vandal tool to understand better.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 13:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the guides.I have been able to upload the script for the anti-vandal tool to my tools list and it seems to work just fine.Thanks alot for the info! Nadirali 01:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nadirali

I'm not sure if you're familiar with user:Tigeroo, but he might need some help staying focused and being neutral in an article that we're editing on together called Decline of Buddhism in India. I'm not entirely aware of the issues, but there has been an edit war going on that I would like to stop. Could you talk to him please? Thanks.NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 18:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Have fun!NinaEliza (talk • contribs • logs) 23:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your advice however if you please talk a look around at the edit's discussions and talk pages maybe you can see I am trying to be amicable. It is hard to come to agreement when the chages being inserted are blankings, removal of cited materials, unexplained etc. I could solve issues if the other party was discussing things. I have not gone to 3RR and have even not brought 3RR against the other party involved to keep things amicable. If you would like to mediate the dispute, it would be welcome.--Tigeroo 06:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposals

Someone else pretty much already had the same idea.

The Filmaker 14:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Eid,Happy New Year

File:Eid image.JPG

Dear Nadir Happy New Year ,Chand Raat ,Happy Eid, Eid Saeed,Eid Mubarak

Dear NadirAli,
HAppy New Year,Eid,Eid Mubarak,chand Rat to You and Your Family with Love .Sadin Gud,Allah Hafiz KhalidKhoso

IVC

Dear Nadirali, project templates are supposed to go only on talk pages. I hope that helps. Eid Mubarak and Happy New Year! deeptrivia (talk) 00:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting the template off the article and on to the talk page, Nadirali. I don't think I have anything else to say about your other concerns. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 02:45, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great. You and User:Unre4L have similar concerns. Parallel discussions are being carried out on different pages, which is not very efficient. Let's discuss this on a single project page. Maybe at Wikipedia talk:Notice board for India-related topics if you don't mind. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 03:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, please suggest a neutral page, where a larger number of editors can participate in the discussion. I am talking about User:Unre4L's discussion on Talk:History_of_India#Ancient_Indian_to_be_changed_into_Ancient_Pakistani., and about letting the Pakistan template stay on the talk page. Thanks, deeptrivia (talk) 03:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions[1] made on December 31 2006 to Indus Valley Civilization

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

The duration of the block is 24 hours.

Please mark your reverts as such; please use edit comments

William M. Connolley 11:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History of Pakistan and Pakistani nationalism

Can you please keep an eye on these articles. These articles are being rewritten by Indians from Hindutva perspective. Siddiqui 04:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have rewritten Pakistani nationalism by removing Indian propaganda. Can you pleaase review my changes and try to keep this version. I am hoping more Pakistanis contributors will pool thier efforts.

Siddiqui 14:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

saving some templates for inaccurate and/or POV articles

^{[original research?]}

Template:Totallydisputed

Re: discussion page

Thanks for pointing this out. I highly appreciate that. I will take time to read it entirely before participating with my views. Thanks again. Szhaider 20:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

what would jesus do?

wasn't listed on the afd, therefore its fair game.--D-Boy 13:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're not supposed to take off the tag until the vote has been passed.Removing that tag before a vote is passed is considered vandalizm.Leave the tag alone.Nadirali 16:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

watch me!--D-Boy 13:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL I think you're a little too late for that.Nadirali 14:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, We don't really know each other, but we had traded some postings on the Urdu language. Anyway, I seem to be having problems on this page with some POV warriors from here—warriors like this and this. Anyway, if you have the time, you might consider visiting the page every now and then and restoring order; however, beware of this. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your replies and for the templates. Yes, these POV-wars sometimes are very tricky. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 10:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Modest Barnstar

No harm done. Cheers! Thanks for your attempt to keep the wikipedia free from 'bad words' as well as for your courtesy and diligent attention to your bot's actions.

Your input requested

Can you please check following page where Indian contributors have made accusation against Pakistani contributors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents Siddiqui 02:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

check heading "Meatpuppetry and tag-team edit-warring" it is the middle of the page. You can also search this page.

Siddiqui 05:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will add the tag. I will myself prepare to talk to Taxman.

Siddiqui 06:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I am going to read those articles. HamzaOmar 15:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ajruk

Hello Nadir hw r u ,how is life ,sorry was away so i am late to respond. here is ajruk image

i do nt knw how to make icon\tags here if u have any idea then attach this image with sindhi wikipedian .

Salam

Thank you!

It was my pleasure to help you. Thank you for the honour! :-) thunderboltz^(Deepu) 09:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sindhi Wikipedians

Dear Nadir add this to ur page.

Sindhi Template 1

سنڌي सिन्धी

This user is Sindhi

Khalidkhoso 13:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Nadir some one is making changes on sindhi wikipedian page ,thinking as he own it? so please need help so that he should not vandlize page.

FYI: Your 1-week block of Users Szhaider, Nadirali, and Unre4L

Dear Nadirali, For your information, I posted the following on Rama's Arrow's talk page:

Dear Rama's Arrow, As someone who has done battle on occasion with all three users, I nonetheless feel that your recent week-long blocks of them, especially the latter two, are a little heavy-handed and over the top. I feel that they should have been given more warning, and perhaps slapped with 24-hour, or 48-hour or even 3-day blocks first. I went back and re-read WP:NPA, especially the following, which I'm sure you well know:

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In extreme cases, even isolated personal attacks may lead to a block for disruption. Legal threats, death threats, and issues of similar severity, in particular, may result in a block without warning. However, administrators are cautioned that other resolutions are preferable to blocking for less severe situations when it is unclear if the "conduct severely disrupts the project".

”

In light of the above caution, I actually went through Unre4L's "contributions" log between the time you gave him a warning on his talk page and the time you issued a 1-week block. Although, I am sure you have your reasons for blocking him/her, I personally couldn't find anything that disruptive, and feel that the 1-week block is extreme punishment for the crime at hand. I am not asking for your reasons, but simply that two neutral administrators (like say Dbachmann, Nichalp (if he is not too busy), Saravask, Ragib, or Aksi_great) review the blocks, especially those of users Nadirali and Unre4L. Thanks! Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's hope someone follows my post up with a review of your block. Regards, Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome Back and Thanks!

Hi nadirali, Welcome back! I am assuming you are now unblocked! Thanks for the barnstar! I will put it on my page right away! A word of friendly and sympathetic advice. Please be careful in your edits (and edit summaries) and even talk pages posts from now on (no matter how upset you might be). My guess is that you will be watched carefully by various people for even the slightest slip. So, you will have to be doubly careful. Also, no matter how upset you are right now about your block, or how wronged you feel, I would recommend you to not worry about revenge or reprisal. Best to take it easy and just do noncontroversial edits. Warm regards! Fowler&fowler «Talk» 20:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi nadirali, Please don't get involved in battles with user Rumpelstiltskin223, especially at this stage of the game. If you are worried about Indian POV being asserted in Pakistan-related articles, just post the name of the article(s) on my talk page and I will deal with those pages. But please for now don't get involved in POV issues with other people. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acccusation of bias

Biased? Really[2]drugs->Gun culture->more drugs->terrorism?Rumpelstiltskin223 21:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please learn about WP:NOR and WP:RS. "Cooked-up" according to you. Wikipedia does not revolve around your personal opinion. Sorry. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are academic and satisfy WP:RS. Your opinions and experiences do not satisfy WP:RS and are, in fact, original research, completely tabooo on WP. If you find it uncomfortable that there is such hatred for Hindus in Pakistan then it is heartening that so many Pakistanis are reasonable good people. Perhaps it is good that this information is out there so that all concerned parties may read it and use it for introspection, no? Rumpelstiltskin223 21:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Accredited research is not personal opinion. Sorry, but this simply will not work on WP. And yes, of course you're right. Prejudice exists in every country. You wouldn't believe the crap I have heard from some people in India about Chinese people, baap re. the difference is that prejudice is not state sanctioned in India. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, not state sanctioned because that state has long since expired. Plus, Pakistan connection to terrorism in kashmir is a fact backed up by international orgs and non-Indian govts so India has nothing to do with it. Please don't make nonsense up. Use a blog for that. Also, accusing us of attacking Shri Harimandir Sahib Ji is a bit hypocritical given the brutal and rather pernicious treatment of Sikhs meted out to them in Pakistan, where madrassas and qutbas routinely lambast then as inhuman heretics and mobs throw feces on the toms of Ranjit Singh Ji. Rumpelstiltskin223 22:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources:[3][4]. Plus, India has a Sikh Prime Minister, does Pakistan? Also, see "Muslim League attack on the Sikhs and Hindus in the punjab 1947 by Gurbachan Singh Talib" where it is clear that Sikhs have been rather brutally persecuted at the hands of Pakistan. Rumpelstiltskin223 22:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rumpelstiltskin

While I have first hand evidence of him enforcing biased views on the devadasi page, I don't really know what you are specifically talking about regarding Pakistani terrorism. He did complain about Pakistani users at the Women in Pakistan article, but he didn't really point out what was wrong with their behavior. He doesn't tend to back up his assertions; for example, he tried to write off perfectly legitimate sources by pointing out different sources that were somewhat anti-Hindu, and extrapolating this incorrect relationship to mean that my sources are about killing Hindus. Anyway, link me up with a few examples of his biased terrorism edits, and if its appropriate, I'll warn him to avoid detrimental and contentious edits. The Behnam 21:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi nadirali, as I mentioned above, please don't get involved in warring with rumpelstiltskin. If you are worried about any page, please post the name of that page on my talk page and I'll take care of it. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 22:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you suspect a meatpuppet for Hkelkar, I'm probably not the one to talk to, since I'm no admin or anything like that. I'm definitely willing to take an impartial look at the conflicts and give recommendations. The Behnam 23:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From now on, lets just keep the whole discussion on my talk page. It is getting confusing switching back and forth all of the time. Besides, Rumps is also posting there, so the conversation won't be separated. The Behnam 23:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments

Because of the protection of your talk page and your schooling concentration which you mentioned on my talk page, I left a response to your comments at User talk:Unre4L. I also backed out of editing Pakistan-related articles for a while. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 23:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, you misunderstand, the constant arguments are tension-building and time-wasting, so I'm staying away and I also didn't want to edit behind Unre4L back as I didn't really support his block. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 23:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PA

This is your final warning. Keep making personal attacks and your already long block log will get longer.

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Rumpelstiltskin223 23:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I posted multiple warnings to you on your talkpage,which you keep deleting.Please do not delete them next time.Nadirali نادرالی

warning

Nadirali, the behavior and editing you've gotten into within hours of returning to editing is not acceptable - you are making incivil accusations and engaging in revert wars. You are strongly advised to read WP:DE, WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA very, very carefully. I suggest you please do your best to make a fresh start with a cooler head. Rama's arrow 03:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet Tag for Rumps

Hey, I think you should keep the suspected sock puppet tag off his page until you have really really clear case against him. It doesn't serve any purpose than to aggravate him otherwise, and this sort of aggravation plays into his arguments against you very well, so its also in your best interests to wait until the case is very clear. I know he may have wronged you, but causing more trouble doesn't serve the overall content dispute, and may actually threaten you with a block if Rumps plays his cards right involving your edits. Of course, it is OK to investigate the Hkelkar connection, but complete the investigation before posting a tag, in light of the sensitivity surrounding these incidents. That's my advice, anyway. Again, thanks for your work during the previous incident. The Behnam 05:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1 week block

Please see this ANI report. Rama's arrow 05:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there

Hi nadirali, Sorry to see you blocked again. Well, when you come out of the block, my advice is to only focus on only one article and to not worry about what people are doing to other articles. Work on a page that you like working on rather than a page that is controversial. For example, I noticed that the Gun culture in Pakistan page didn't even have a description of what "gun culture" was, and yet there were active edit-wars going on. Cursorily looking through some books I had lying around the house, I was able to add some material (all descriptive and noncontroversial). The point I am making is that if you add enough interesting and descriptive material about the old traditional gun-culture, about the history of family rivalries, etc in NWFP, then the controversial part about terrorism becomes less important. Even if someone adds some text about terrorism, it won't loom as large, and can be ignored. The page obviously still needs a lot of work—I haven't even copy edited it yet, but it is ready to be expanded in the directions I indicate with my edits. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS I don't know what Rumpelstiltskin223 was trying to accomplish with his edits, but the point is that if you keep adding relevant material, other editors, who are editing because of an agenda and not because they have empathy for the topic (in this case the people of Swat, Peshawar, NWFP), will eventually tire and drop out. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks FOwler.Sorry i lost my head.Trust me that Im very angry with myself.The block RA gave me was because I tried to prove a few links against him.I will deal with that later.When I get unblocked,I will definately write up a couple of articles I was planning.Again thanks alot for your support and empathy.Take care.Nadirali نادرالی

Folwer,I forgot to add undivided India where they state India existed and contained the rest of South Asia as a "united country".Please fix that if you can.Thanx.Nadirali نادرالی

Undivided India is so poorly written that it's not worth bothering with. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar!! Much appreciated. Am on a slow connection, will reply at length tomorrow. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 02:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Tags

Hi again, I hoped I wouldn't go into dirty waters again and IMO I didn't so I'll clarify for one last time. From my understanding of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide (I recommend you reading the official guideline) it says banners can be added if the article is related or "within the scope" of the WikiProject. It does not say "belong" or "owned," and furthermore the says purpose of these tags are to recruit more members to the WikiProject. What I hope to acheive by adding the tag is to 1) recruit more members, 2) make them contribute significantly to Indian-related articles 3) Therefore help fulfil Wikipedia's main goal which is to provide a high-standard to the rest of the world.

In case you think I have double standards or something, I actually will be fine with and suggest the Pakistani editors to do the same. I wouldn't mind at all if added the WP Pak tag to Adi Shankara, who according to This, went to where Pakistan is today. He wasn't born in Pakistan, but does that mean he had no influence on Pakistani culture and history? Of course not, he had a massive influence. Panini is a similar story. He was born in modern day Pakistan but he regularised Classical Sanskrit, which became for mother of all modern Indo-Aryan languages (Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi, Sindhi, Bengali, Gujarati), which are spoken in Pakistan, Indian and Bangladesh.

I prefer that Indians and Pakistani keep peaceful relations on Wikipedia, so we may as well be inclusive rather than exclusive. Lets not create tension when 60 sixty years ago, the two countries had a very strong inter-related history. If you are not convinced, so be it, but I do suggest talking with User:Ragib, who is a Bangladeshi and ask him about it. Thank you Gizza^Chat ^© 03:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:SIndhi template

Hi Nadir, i am ok with grace of God I have convinced them(for keeping me Sindhi Template) ,now every thing is ok dear .Thanks for message

Khalidkhoso 11:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit at Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar

Thank you for experimenting with the page Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 14:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

48 hours block

You have been blocked for violating WP:3RR and WP:EW on Talk:Sindhi literature. Rama's arrow 15:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NadirAli (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

original unblock reason

Decline reason:

If you have a problem with Indian vs. Pakistani users, read WP:DISPUTE. It is inappropriate for you to continue edit warring. If you do not follow the WP:DISPUTE procedure, we can only conclude that you do not have a serious dispute. Regardless, your request for unblock is not the right forum to discuss this matter. Note that I am neither Indian nor Pakistani. -- Yamla 16:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I removed the tag ON the talkpage.I didn't edit war on a single article.I corrected.Rama's Arrow has been blocking Pakistani and other Muslim users for not allowing disagreeing with his POV. They have also been repeaditly removing Pakistani tags on talkpages like Pinani for which none of them got blocked.They have repeatidly made racist remarks to Pakistani users,for which they have gotten away with every single time. How is it fair that we keep getting blocked by Indian admins while Indian users repeatidly keep removing Pakistani tags from Pakistani talkpages. Rama's Arrow has been edit warring with Szhaider and also removing sources I provide for articles.How long is this going to bias going to go on. If removing an Indian tag from the talkpage of a Pakistani article is considered. I have written 2 whole articles since I returned,which I spent hours writing on such as Kerwin Mathews and Jack the Giant Killer(film).I really don't deserve this. I would like some neutral administraors(non-Indian prefferable) to make an observation of this dispute between Indian and Pakistanis users.They have been repeaditly removing Pakistani tags from Pakistani articles,removing relaible sources,removing all reffernces to Pakistan and these Indian admins are repeatidly blocking Pakistani users for not accepting Indian claims over Pakistani history.We have tried to discuss this so many times,but they simply refuse to listen.Rama's Arrow is exteremely biased and has blocked up to 5 users for not accepting his POV and has made some exteremely offensive racist comments which I can provide links to and for which he has not yet apologised for.How long is this injustice going to go on?I provided so many reasons for why indian tags shouldn't be on Pakistani articles.HOW LONG ARE PAKISTANI AND MUSLIM USERS GOING TO RECIEVE BLOCKS FOR?HOW LONG IS THIS ISSUE GOING TO BE IGNORED BY OUTSIDE AND NEUTRAL OBSERVERS???? IF WE ARE GOING TO GET BlOCKED FOR THIS ATLEAST WHY ARE THE INDIAN USERS NOT BEING BLOCKED FOR EDIT WARRING AND REPEATED PERSONAL ATTACKS????????? THERE IS A SERIOUS BIAS HERE and SEVERAL users can see it.--Nadirali نادرالی

I would like administrator Dbachmann to observe my unblock request for the reasons provided above.--Nadirali نادرالی

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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NONE GIVEN

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You have been blocked for 48 hours, this is not indef. Please don't edit war. -- ~ Arjun 17:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Star Wars

I'm sorry, I've been away for a while and I'm trying to catch up. Could you refresh me on the problems with Return of the Jedi and the other articles? The Filmaker 04:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jack the Giant Killer (film)

I'd like to thank you for starting the article on Jack the Giant Killer (film) and writing it so extensively; you obviously spent a lot of time on it. But I'd like to ask you in the future to obey the spacing rules of written English: always put a space after commas, periods, parentheses, and most other punctuation marks. It took me a long time to clean up the spacing and make the article more visually readable. I know it's not a major point, but you can make things work more smoothly by hitting the space bar. Thanks! -Phoenixrod 11:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==Star Wars==
 I'm sorry, I've been away for a while and I'm trying to catch up. Could you refresh me on the problems with [[Return of the Jedi]] and the other articles? [[User:The Filmaker|The Filmaker]] 04:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
+==Jack the Giant Killer (film)==
+I'd like to thank you for starting the article on [[Jack the Giant Killer (film)]] and writing it so extensively; you obviously spent a lot of time on it. But I'd like to ask you in the future to obey the spacing rules of written English: always put a space after commas, periods, parentheses, and most other punctuation marks. It took me a long time to clean up the spacing and make the article more visually readable. I know it's not a major point, but you can make things work more smoothly by hitting the space bar. Thanks! -[[User:Phoenixrod|Phoenixrod]] 11:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)