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Castles in France

I have been working through articles on French castles, including improvements to the List of castles in France page, with a few other editors. This has involved identifying, linking to and eventually translating suitable articles from the French wiki; removing from the list those châteaux that are actually palaces, stately homes or vineyards; where possible, creating new pages.

I have recently come across an article on the Château de Morimont, spelled Château du Morimont, which I wanted to move to the correct spelling as given by the French Ministry of Culture and to expand. Now, the Min of Culture website (a fantastic resource by the way) lists TWO castles with similar names in the correct location, Oberlag [1]:

a) Château fort de Morimont [2]

b) Ruines du château de Morimont [3]

So, can anyone help with this? I am happy to write the article using the Min of Culture as the main reference, but I am worried as to whether there are in fact two distinct castles, or is one built within the other or what? If anyone has any definite information it would be much appreciated. (Also posted on WikiProject Castles talk page.) Emeraude 11:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Help Request

I'm currently working on the biography of Jarvis Offutt, a WWI American flyer who was killed in France in 1918. Sources list his place of death at either Valheureuv or Valheureux, France, a community I am unable to locate or find any references for. Would anyone on this WikiProject happen to know if the locality has been spelled incorrectly, if the name has changed sometime in the past century (or it's been abandoned or annexed into a larger community), or if it's simply so insignificant that no mention is listed anywhere? I appreciate any help that anyone can provide. RJASE1 ^Talk 17:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Tim- I took a quick look on fr.wikipedia and it seems Valheureux is a defunct place name from the Somme, now apparently part of a community called Candas. fr:Valheureux redirects to the Candas article. The Valheureux page links to a category of former Somme communities, which list a few hundred former communities from that department. I'll bet it's what you're looking for--you can go to Google Maps and enter "candas, somme, france" into the search field to see if the location looks right. Hope this helps. -Eric ^(talk) 19:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the awesome help - the article now shows your info. Enjoy the barnstar! RJASE1 ^Talk 03:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Another (although the issue is very minor) help request

I have asked on the talk page of Cyril Théréau if anyone could please make an audio for how is his name pronounced. Now that i think about it, a plain IPA would suffice. Thanks in advance. -- Jokes Free4Me 19:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't provide audio or IPA, but to be going on with it will be pronounced something like see-reel tay-ray-owe. Hope that helps. Emeraude 22:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

"see-reel teh-reh-oh" rather no? we don't really have the ay and owe sounds in French. What do you think Emeraude? Saebhiar Adishatz 14:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

French thé pronounced as English tay (rhymes with day). French au pronounced as English owe (rhymes with toe). Emeraude 16:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

They don't really rhyme though, French pronouciation is very flat. thé is pronounced teh. au, oh (flat and short). Like most latin languages we don't really have nasal sounds like ay or owe. Anyhoo, doesn't matter. Saebhiar Adishatz 17:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You're right, they don't rhyme exactly, but they are near enough for an English speaker to get a very close approximation of the French pronunciation. I tried to give English words which could be put together to give a close feel (so your 'teh' may be more accurate but is actually unpronouncable in English). But, as you say, it doesn't matter. The original request from User:Jokes Free4Me was for an audio or IPA - both of which would of course be more precise and I hope someone can eventually provide these. Emeraude 10:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I've wrote something while looking at French phonology. I hope this helps Comte0 19:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Saint-Martin and Saint-Barthélemy

Help in updating all articles related to the change effective on 22 February 2007 would be very welcome... —Nightstallion (?) 16:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Catalan-speaking Countries Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain and Andorra

As I said before with an other user Andorra is more closely related to Spain than to France and even more to the ofher catalan spea king areas (it's the only country were catalan is the unique official language) so the articles about this country should be transfered in one of those projects or in both. I repeat that it's not a nationalist or regionalist point of view (I'm french) just a realistic statement --Kimdime69 00:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Andorra is an independent state, member of the UNO, so I see no reason for it to be included in the French portal, which regards about places from France.

Otherwise, Andorra's official language is Catalan, so it would be expected to include Andorra in the Catalan portal, since this regards the Catalan-speaking area.

In case Andorra was included in the French portal due to the fact that there are many French speakers in that state, we could include in the French portal articles about Belgium, Canada or Tunisia as well. Aren't French speakers there?

--Casaforra (parlem-ne) 08:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned before Andora and Monaco were proposed to be included in this project by badbilltucker as no other separate suitable wikiprojects were existing at that time. I also believe that Andora fits better in the Catalan project, so feel free to make the needed changes. Let me know if help from my side is required. STTW (talk) 10:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, what SlaveToTheWage said. Now that the Catalan speakers have their own wikiproject, maybe Andorra should migrate there... Saebhiar Adishatz 14:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Assessment became easier

Check out the new script User talk:Outriggr/metadatatest.js, which has been extended on request to help WP:FR do the article assessments. Happy assessing, STTW (talk) 08:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

How to

Add the following lines toy your monobook.js.

 // [[User:Outriggr/metadatatest.js]]      
 importScript('User:Outriggr/metadatatest.js');
 defaultProject = "WikiProject France";

We have aver 20,000 unassessed articles, so lot of work ahead of us. Bon courage!! STTW (talk) 12:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Suzanne Lenglen FAR

Suzanne Lenglen has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 18:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Small alteration to your banner

As some of you may know, there's been some discussion regarding the number of WikiProject banners on article talk pages. There are three projects underway that attempt to "reduce the clutter". The first, of course, is the "small" option - see Small option for more info. The second is {{WikiProjectBanners}}, which hides all the banners in a one-line box. As has been discussed on that template's talk page, this option has the disadvantage of hiding WikiProject banners, which defeats one of the purposes - to recruit new members. The third option is {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, which addresses that issue by reducing each banner to one line (with the option to view the full banner).

Now the reason I'm bringing this up is because adopting this third option requires a small alteration of a WikiProject's banner - to add the "nested=yes" parameter. I'd like to determine consensus within this project around the change and see if we can move forward with it. I've put together a sample of your banner with the new option coded in (code). As you can see, there would be no change to the banner if the "nested" parameter isn't there. If it *is* there, the banner would be part of the "within the scope of the following projects..." box.

Several projects have already implemented this option, including WP:MILHIST, WP:LGBT, WP:ALBUM, WP:India, WP:AVIATION, and WP:CCM.

Thoughts? Concerns? Would going ahead with the alteration be okay? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I see no problem in going ahead with the alteration. -- NYArtsnWords 16:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

There has been a change in the WP:FR and Andorra is no more covered by the project, this change I have made to the template. STTW (talk) 16:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Awesome - thanks :)

Propose new cat - french language media

I propose creating a new Category:French-language media which could possibly include the current sub-cats for French-language films, French-language newspapers, French language songs, French-language literature, as well as containing articles on French-language TV shows and radio programmes which currently have no home. Kevlar67 04:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/AL_(automobile)

The article on the AL automobile is copied word-for-word from that site. http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/AL_(automobile)

2007 French coach crash for deletion

Mention since it seems in the scope of this project: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 French coach crash

Tintin in Wikiproject FRANCE???

A Frenchman living in Brussels, and an occasional fan of the cartoon "Tintin", I can't believe this project is part of Wikiproject France. It doesn't even take long on the Tintin page to realize that Tintin is all about Belgium. The author is Belgian, the character is Belgian, hell, even the cartoon about European colonial era is "Tintin in Congo", which used to be... Belgian! It would be better under Wikiproject Belgium, if it exists.87.65.169.134 06:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

There is currently no WikiProject Belgium. While the inclusion on The Adventures of Tintin (which are hugely popular in France) in WikiProject France may be unjustified due to the reasons you cite (including the Belgian nationality of the author Georges Remi aka Hergé), it should be noted (1) that the live-action and animated movies based on the Tintin books have been largely French productions and (2) that one generally refers to Franco-Belgian comics to cover the shared bande dessinée tradition of the two countries. This being said, I am sure that a future WP Belgium will eventually take over the article. -- NYArtsnWords 11:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Correction WP:BELGIUM does exist. STTW (talk) 12:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that, STTW. I have removed the article from the WP:France FA list.-- NYArtsnWords 14:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Plausible misinformation

I have noticed an increase in vandalism using "plausible misinformation" on pages lately, including the use of plausible sounding references (with spurious publication data) and statistics. I encourage editors to always review changes to their watchlist pages and, if possible, to verify the information. Once misinformation sneaks into an article and becomes obscured by later edits, it is more difficult to correct the damage. -- NYArtsnWords 00:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Move {{WikiProject France}} to {{WPFR}}?

I was wondering if it would be a good idea to move/rename our tag from the long "WikiProject France" to something shorter, like "WPFR"? This would make it a lot easier when tagging articles and also, it's starting to become a norm with country specific projects (see: {{WPES}}, {{WPTR}}, {{WPGR}}, {{WPAM}}, etc.). What do the members here think? --Kimon^talk 13:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Tagging of France-related articles has been mostly done by STTWbot on a regular basis. Also a script already exist which was suggested by me before, which makes tagging really easy. So I don't see a need of moving the template just for the reason suggested above. STTW (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the bot but, many times I find myself tag an article manually and the Outriggr script messes the formatting of the top of articles (in FF, at least). Anyway, I thought it may be good idea. --Kimon^talk 19:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Renaming is unnecessary, as templates (unlike categories) can be redirected. I will do the redirect so that you can save your typing! Physchim62 (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I could've done the redirect myself but, I didn't want to do it without checking with the project members first (you never know).--Kimon^talk 20:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Absinthe in WikiProject France

I don't know much about how the WikiProjects work so I'll just put this here in hopes someone with more knowlage will come along.

The absinthe page is now part of the WikiProject on Switzerland and I think that it should also be part of the French WikiProject. As, although abisnthe was first made in Swizterland, it is more commonly associated with France and French culture and cuisine. Scaper8 17:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

=French cinema

Anyone working in articles on French films and actors and directors please see the organization page Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Cinema of France and help out. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 13:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Please can somebody also expand the county articles such as Haute-Marne. They look very basic ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 16:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

For instance why does the article Corrèze not mention anyhting about the towns within it??? It is very poor not what you'd expect. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 16:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

People aren't going to think much of the project if all the main department articles on France are as basic as this. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 17:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Île de France flag

I have opened a debate at Template talk:IledeFrance-geo-stub as to which image is more appropriate and/or aesthetic for the use in the template {{IledeFrance-geo-stub}}. Any input will be appreciatively received.

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 22:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Latin cultures

Hello everyone! You may want to go to Latin cultures an participate in the article and discussion. There are a lot of disputed statements... The Ogre 12:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Food Organizations / Project

In connection with the editing of the article Confrérie de la Chaîne des Rôtisseurs I have been invited to join this project.

As far the above mentioned "Chaîne" is concerned, I am in contact with its Headquarters in Paris, France in order to

1) receive additional information normally only availably to members, together with the authority to publish it in Wiki (e,g. "L'Ordre Mondial des Gourmets Dégustateurs")

2) receive authorization to publish teir logos (provisional o.k. given) and photos

Fak119 12:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Rosy Armen AFD

The article about French-Armenian singer Rosy Armen is up to deletion due to too little content. Please help in expanding the article. There's an article about her on French WKP, maybe someone can translate it into English? Armatura 22:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Criticisms of bullfighting

Criticisms of bullfighting was moved to give it a more neutral name. Thought I'd go ahead so that you could maybe update the assesment list. I would have done it myself but I don't want to disrupt anything. The link is located here FelisLeo^Talk! 20:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter

To increase more activity in the Project and also promote interaction between the various project members I think the idea of a newsletter could be helpful. I have created a draft at Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Outreach/Newsletter. Looking forward to your opinions and comments to it. STTW (talk) 18:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! So, what content do we add? --Kimon^talk 18:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

There have been many changes in the project since its inception. Lately there was a step towards integrating the various France related projects - Paris streets. As it would be the first newsletter we could give some more general overview. Feel free to edit the draft of the newsletter. STTW (talk) 10:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I will when I get a chance (at an airport right now). On another note, I too think it's a good idea to merge all the France related projects into one. It would consolidate our efforts, I hope, and will result in less talk-page clutter. --Kimon^talk 19:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Uncategorised stubs relating to France

By request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Categories/uncategorized, I've created Category:Uncategorised France articles for articles in the Category:France stubs hierarchy, but no non-stub categories at all, and populated it with an initial 50 articles. If all is well, I can go ahead and finish doing so -- there's around 300 in total. Alai 04:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Jacques Offenbach

A number of Offenbach's operetta articles have recently been improved, but most of the information available is in French. Can any French speakers take a look and add info from some of the French internet sources, or, perhaps, translate some of the articles on Offenbach's operettas from French Wikipedia and add the info here? All of Offenbach's operettas are listed at Jacques Offenbach. Best regards! -- Ssilvers 13:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Chirac & Sarkozy

Is there a way, to prevent editors from editing in that Sarkozy has already succeeded Chirac as President? See List of Presidents of the French Republic and Jacques Chirac, I think we should wait until Sarkozy takes office. What do any of you, think? GoodDay 23:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with having Sarkozy listed as "President Elect". --Kimon^talk 23:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Alright then, but we should not have Chirac listed as serving (1995-2007) while he's still in office. GoodDay 00:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Same problem with G8, where editors continue to jump the gun. I can't see any way of preventing it other than vigilance and reverts, but the problem will resolve itself naturally within a week. It does, though, raise an interesting question: how many times will George W Bush be edited out in the two months between the presidential election in Nov 2008 and the inauguration in Jan 2009?!! Emeraude 12:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

That's gonna be a nightmare, big time. GoodDay 19:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Luynes

I was hoping to create a disambiguation page for Luynes, because there is another village called Luynes, close to Aix-en-Provence. The village has two international schools and a prison, among other things. Anyway, how do I do that?Zigzig20s 19:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

There are many ways to disambiguate a page, but for this case you could use {{otheruse}} to add a link on the top of the existing Luynes article. For more information see WP:D. STTW (talk) 20:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Louvre - Help needed

Help needed in improving Louvre. Due to repeated vandalism and edit fights the article has ended up in a real mess. Let us try together to improve it, atleast bringing it back to the GA status. STTW (talk) 19:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Armenian-French relations

Salut everyone, I'd like to request a little bit of help on the article "Armenian-French relations." It's missing one those maps that locates two countries with colors (usually green and orange). Could someone make such a map and put it in the article to match with all other French-X relations? Merci beaucoup guys. - Fedayee 14:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Jackaranga 23:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby union team peer review

The article is about the national rugby union team. Please add your comments here. This article was the WikiProject Rugby union collaboration of the fortnight recently, and is a featured article on French language wikipedia (see here). When the collaboration was over I nominated it for GA and it passed without any problems. I'm looking for any feedback that will help this article get to Featured Article status - as the next step is to nominate it for FAC. Thanks. - Shudda ^talk 03:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia in French

Hi all,

The French Wikipedia is about to delete 2 categories:

• fr:Catégorie:Violation des droits de l'homme (in english, see Category:Human rights abuses)
• fr:Catégorie:Personne victime de violations des droits de l'homme (in english, see Category:Victims of human rights abuses)

How do you feel about that ?

SalomonCeb 12:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I feel that it's their business, the equivalent process on Anglophone Wikipedia starts at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. Physchim62 (talk) 13:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Echoing Phsyschim62's point above, since this is the English Wikipedia, we should be dedicated to the issues and debates going on here (there are plenty). I'm guessing many (if not most) members of this project are not active members in the French Wikipedia, though they may have accounts there or peruse it for articles to translate over to English.

One more thing, I doubt the French Wikipedia is "suppressing" anything. It appears they are debating whether those categories should be deleted or not. Suppressing is not compatible with open dialog and is equivalent to censorship. --Kimon^talk 13:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi all- Just jumping in with a clarification--I think SalomonCeb meant "delete"; French uses the same word for both (supprimer), which shares a common Latin ancestor with "suppress". -Eric ^(talk) 13:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah! That would explain it :) --Kimon^talk 13:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Issues with the Commune map

I'm having trouble getting the map to place things just right; I'm not sure if there's something I need to change. I've made two articles, Serbonnes and Cry, Yonne with this problem. Anyone know how to fix it? matt91486 00:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

You must change the values for the lines that say x = and y = . These values represent the position on the map in pixels from the top left corner.

I changed the one on Cry, Yonne, you can ask me on my talk page if you need more explanations, or here but I might not check very often. Jackaranga 06:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Also maybe you know this already, but normally for the coordinates people use degrees, minutes and seconds on wikipedia, not decimal value, it might not be a requirement though I don't know. Jackaranga 06:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Arrondissements of ...

I recently prodded Arrondissements of the Eure department while hitting random article, because I felt as it was already in a category Category:Arrondissements of Eure and contained little additional information, it was somewhat pointless. The prod was taken off by Kiwipete, and during our discussion I discovered there are not only over a hundred of these Arrondissements of... but they're also all listed in List of arrondissements of France. I really, really don't think that we need over a hundred articles telling us what can be easily found in various categories and an entire List, and I propose either we merge and redirect or delete them altogether. As the WikiProject for such matters, I agree with Kiwipete that it should be discussed by you first. DevAlt 09:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

These lists could probably be included in the article on the département, IMHO. Physchim62 (talk) 17:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Fantômas

Bonjour,

There is a discussion about deleting the Category Fantômas here. Anyone interested please participate. Merci. Dr.K. 19:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Jean-Philippe Pastor

Hello! Please, does anybody know this guy, or deserves he a "Prod"?Stellatomailing 15:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

France national rugby union team FAC

There have been no comments at the France national rugby union team's FAC even though it's been an FAC for over a week. You can comment here. A support or oppose (with reasons) from some of you would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. - Shudda ^talk 00:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

National football teams - please vote

I've discovered that some editors have decided that the football teams of some French regions should be called "national teams". So now we have articles such as Corsica national football team, Guadeloupe national football team, Brittany national football team, as if Corsica, Guadeloupe, or Britanny were independent nations! They've done the same with other countries (Andalucia national football team, Madeira regional football team, etc.). I've tried to replace the word "national" with the word "regional", but I was immediately reverted and I was told that supposedly there exists a consensus to use the word "national". Since I can't find such consensus on the talk pages, I opened a vote to remove the word "national" from the titles, as this word seems extremly POV. Please vote if you want to remove the word "national" in those titles. You can vote here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#"national" team for subnational entities?. Godefroy 02:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)