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Ty, may I suggest you go and look at the Wally page for the last absurd citation request that I recieved from your buddy, so you can learn from his subsequent candid mistakes and acknowledgments...since I don't have the time right now to make you look like a fool again, too. |
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Btw, do you need a list of minor league pages that need major league attention? I would start with Jeff Koons. Wally Hedrick 130 citations -- Jeff Koons 0. Ok, I guess you don't have the merit or nerve to break some bread there -- since I am proving you and ur buddy petty one citation request at a time. Ty in advance --[[User:Art4em|Art4em]] ([[User talk:Art4em#top|talk]]) 08:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Guide to referencing
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I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.
A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use Reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is Original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.
The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:
The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):
Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.
Copy the following text, open the edit box for this page, paste it at the bottom (inserting your own text) and save the page:
(End of text to copy and paste.)
You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For a book it might look like this:
An online newspaper source would be:
Note the square brackets around the URL. The format is [URL Title] with a space between the URL and the Title. If you do this the URL is hidden and the Title shows as the link. Use double apostrophes for the article title, and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Wikilinks (double square brackets which create an internal link to a wikipedia article) function inside the ref tags. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings.
You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:
The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:
You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them.
You can see refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.
When you become familiar with the process, the next step is to have one section, "Footnotes", with links embedded in the text, and another, "References", which lists all of your references alphabetically with full details, e.g. for a book:
If you're ready to go into it further, these pages have detailed information:
I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know. |
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This article has been deleted as one which promotes a person and requires a rewrite to conform to wikipedia requirements. Please also see WP:COI.
- Kindly do not keep reposting this article. It is clearly promotional, exulting the subject and a conflict of interest. Please see also WP:AUTO. You are welcome to contribute to other articles. Tyrenius 03:04, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I am new so I am all apologies if I read that the article could be rewritten, which I did -- to its original state. All the references are clearly marked and verifiable. Therefore I do not understand -- could you please make a suggestion since it meets all the criteria?
Thank you! and your assistance in this matter! --Art4em 03:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I have made numerous editorial comments at your suggestion -- thank you. I appreciate your input.
1. Names: I have deleted any names not found in wikipedia -- for instance, the famous iconoclastic sculptor: Dale Eldred -- a legend at MIT. Why he is not found here is another unwritten counter-cultural mystery.
2. Removed the few 'bold' type in Artworks.
Is there anything else? I look forward to your excellent comments and suggestions...
3. I would like to add the "RAT BASTARD PROTECTION AGENCY' to wikipedia. Does this meet with your approval. It is one of the great underground, lowbrow, beat institutions in San Francisco in the 60's. Please advise if ok.
--Art4em 18:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Userfied
You can find the article in your own user space (i.e. not in article space) at User:Art4em/Draft 1. This is so you can work on it, and if other editors approve, it can be put back into article space.
At the moment it reads as a self-congratulatory, self-aggrandising, promotional piece, and this is not supported by verifiable references. Just two examples:
"He is often acknowledged as being an important young 21st Century artist" - this is NOT supported by the references supplied.
"maverick artistic temperament" - what's the source for this?
You need to study proper use of references, as in the guide above. Also look at WP:FA to see the best articles and use them as a model. Look at formatting and section layout. For example, bold text is only used for the name in the lead section, not later in the main text.
It is not a question of size, but of writing from a [WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] with facts, not speculation and interpretation, and, furthermore, of referencing those facts.
You may also want to consult with User:Freshacconci, who first drew attention to the article.
At such time if and when it is ready, it will have to be transferred with the proper move function (and the resulting redirect removed), not copied and pasted. This is necessary to preserve the edit history for GFDL purposes.
PS I would like to see a good coverage of lowbrow and associated art, and would welcome your contribution here, but it needs to be in line with wiki writing, which is basically factual and plain, understated rather than over.
Tyrenius 03:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah! I see! yes...understated will be my mantra! That is all that I was looking for! That was my error. I will comply!
Thank you! I will consult Freshacconci per your request!
And I will address your suggestion: Lowbow et al, with your permission.
Also, I will just post the LG Williams simply == understated == with your permission until i consult Freshacconci. Is that ok?
Thank you for the newbie mistakes -- I appreciate it.
--Art4em 04:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)--Art4em 04:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Do I have your permission to load a mini LG Williams until a larger version gets your (2) ok's?
Thank you for your assistance in this matter! --Art4em 04:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- I seriously recommend that before you post anything, you create it on a draft page and consult. You can create another draft page if you want. Everything doesn't have to be done the day before yesterday. Tyrenius 04:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Advice headed: as I said, "I will await your approval" before posting something more than a stub.
TY!--Art4em 04:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Could you please explain how you are able to grant a GFDL licence for this image, unless it is your original work? Also for Image:MerryKarnowsky.jpg -- Tyrenius 02:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hello, and thank you for your querry. I am a new here, all apologies.
- Answer: Correct, yes it is my original work. Anything else? Ty! User:Art4em
The Hedrick image can't be your original work, unless you are Hedrick. Are you Hedrick? The copyright is with the original artist. If you are not the artist, then a fair use claim will have to be made for the use of the image. Here is a sample text which can be copied, adapted and pasted: User:Tyrenius/Image_FU#Fair_use_rational_for_artwork Above it you will need to specify whose copyright the original is, and where the image was obtained. If you are the photographer, specify that.
You have put the source for the MerryKarnowsky image as the MK gallery, but the image doesn't appear on it. Is it your own photo? In this case, the licence should be {{GFDL-self}}.
Tyrenius 03:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, the Hedrick photograph is mine. And the collector of the painting, a dear friend, gave permission.
What is your suggestion?
Thank you!
--Art4em 04:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- But the fact is that the copyright of the painting belongs to the artist, so you will have to remove the GFDL tag and change it for a Fair Use one, as I've specified above.
- And the MK image?
Ty again. I have taken care of the two images in question -- I hope correctly. Thank you for your assistance.
--Art4em 17:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note
Image:Hedrick blackptg.gif You have to provide a specific Fair Use rationale in addition to the template. Please read what I write here!!!!! as above -
- a fair use claim will have to be made for the use of the image. Here is a sample text which can be copied, adapted and pasted: User:Tyrenius/Image_FU#Fair_use_rational_for_artwork Above it you will need to specify whose copyright the original is, and where the image was obtained. If you are the photographer, specify that.
If the image comes from a web site, then you need to specify the URL. Tyrenius 03:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- Image:MerryKarnowsky.jpg OK, you, User:Art4em are the photographer of this work and hold the copyright, which you are releasing under GFDL. Please note, that this means anyone can use it for any purpose and modify it, providing they credit you, and conform to GFDL requirement, which are quite onerous really: they have to include a copy of the GFDL document when they use the image, for example. In this case you can delete the infomation in "Summary", as the MK gallery source is inaccurate. If you want to keep Photographer: lgofbeverlyhills, you can do so. If you want this name to be credited, you should make that clear. Tyrenius 04:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I have removed your edit, and you have simply replaced it.[1] We do not allow original research. The only reference given is a press release. This is not an acceptable reference. Wikipedia is not a lauching pad for personal theories. If you think it should be in the article, then put it on the article talk page for other editors to assess. Thank you. Tyrenius 03:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you -- I am sorry for the confusion, because you said I could post other than LG Williams (a short version I would like to post now till I get your permission to elaborate -- understatedly. I will reference the Press Release and the Book reference with your permission! Is this ok?
Thank you and cheers! Appreciatively!
--Art4em 04:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- You mean reference the press release in the LGW article? By the way, it should be the proper name normally, or is LW Williams always used? There is a case in the LGW for saying that that LGW has issued this press release with this theory, but not in any way suggesting more than that, i.e. the article should not imply approval or validation for the theory. Tyrenius 04:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Ty for your additional comments, and I am happy to address them:
1. I will reference the article with (A) book citation information and (B) pr. The later I only include, with your editorial permission of course, because it is a valuable online resource pertainting to the discussion at hand.
2. Name Citation: Yes, indeed -- LG WIlliams is the proper name, "always" used.
Thank you for your valued assistance!
--Art4em 17:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
WP:3RR
Please note you have reverted the same material to your version 3 times.[2] You are about to break the 3 revert rule, which can lead to being blocked from editing. Edit warring can lead to being blocked anyway. Please discuss on the article talk page, and do not insert material which has no substantial reference, which is original research and also a conflict of interest. Tyrenius 20:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. However, yes, as you suggested above, I did repost with the book / publication citation information + in additon to the other citation: (1) Author (2) Book Title (3) Publishing Date (4) Publisher. In any event, thank you for message, I will consult with that pages editors per your suggestion.
--Art4em 00:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Questions
It is incredibly irritating when I post questions, and you don't answer them, then just post a stub article anyway. The questions above need answers or material is going to get deleted. Tyrenius 05:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Please, I am so sorry about the frustration - please accept my apologies. Indeed, I was reviewing the wiki protocols you suggested -- which were very helpful!
1. I changed the copyright to 'Merry Karnowsky' as you suggested to "self". Thank you for your suggestion.
2. I am looking for the correct code for the other 'Hedrick' image, which I wil change momentarily. Ty!
3. I am going to load up the 'Mona Lisa' 3 sentences with book reference added. Ty.
4. Working on 'Williams' draft.
Thank you for your assistance -- I am looking forward to making a modest contribution, as you suggested, to the (A) Beat Art, (B) Lowbrow Art movements -- and I hope I can turn your frustration into reward.
--Art4em 17:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- The Mona Lisa material is not acceptable, is original research, lacking sufficient references. See WP:3rr above. As for other matters, it's up to you to write according to wiki requirements from a neutral point of view and referencing material. Tyrenius 21:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I am requesting your approval for User:Art4em/Draft 1 to be posted -- and uploaded with the specific function you outlined above to preserve GFDL. --Art4em 00:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- Not ready. Sort refs for a start so they are inline with <ref> code. At the moment there's a mixture of inline citations with direct external links in the text. The latter need to be changed so the link is within ref format. Tyrenius 00:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, thank you! I really appreciate your participation and commentary. Will do immediately. --Art4em 00:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
You are welcome. I was happy to help out with some formatting. The article is coming along well.Best of luck. Truthanado 00:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thank you! Nice to hear a friendly voice. Could I ask you visit this page: Wally Hedrick. Wally was a Rat Bastard, too! Thanks again, appreciatively, --Art4em 04:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
References
Please have a read of the "Using references (citations)" guide above, to see how to format a reference. For a newspaper, which is online:
- <ref> Plunkett, John. [http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1601858,00.html "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying"], ''[[The Guardian]]'', [[2005-10-27]]. Retrieved on [[2005-10-27]]. </ref>
Note the title of the story is in double quotes (because the title is a quote from the paper), within the square brackets. "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed it.
If it's a web site, you can put the name of the site instead of the name of the paper.
Also it's not usual to quote chunks of text in the footnotes. If it's important, it should go in the article, or be paraphrased in the article.
If you use a source more than once as a reference, then give it a name the first time you use it:
- <ref name=smith> ''Details of reference as normal'' </ref>
The second time or subsequent times you use the same reference in the article, you need only to use the name as a short cut:
- <ref name=smith/>
Don't forget the / or subsequent text won't appear!
Don't write text in upper case.
Tyrenius 01:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- TY! I am so sorry for the trouble -- but I appreciate your words and assistance. Will revisit and comply! ty! --Art4em 01:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
It is a complicated business, but you are doing well, so I thought you might like to hone your skills that extra bit. Tyrenius 02:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you -- that was very kind. Onward! --Art4em 02:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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I have moved the article and talk page per your request. I can't say I appreciate the aggressive comments you made on the talk page. You may not realise it, but bold capitals are equivalent to shouting: see WP:TPG. Continuation of this is likely to be regarded as uncivil behaviour which can lead to being blocked. I am glad you have worked it all out, and will be able to forge ahead on your own now. Also you might like to consider the relative notability of "LG Williams artist" as in 624 google hits[3] and "Damien Hirst artist" as in 1,120,000 google hits.[4] Tyrenius 08:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, my bad about the all caps...eecks! Thanks for the move! I'm finished with the article, but will attend to the footnotes per you specifications! ty!
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I've edited "Manuel Neri" to state that he was simply a member of the Six Gallery rather than a founding one. I've also removed the sentence on Alan Ginsberg, etc, though I have kept in a link to the Six Gallery reading. At some point, I'd like to figure out exactly what Neri's role in the Six Gallery was based on a consensus of information given in Cowert's book and in "Smithsonian Archives of American Art: Oral History Interview with Wally Hedrick", and base any statement in the Wikipedia article on a consensus of the two. Peter G Werner 15:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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I don't appreciate the comments you have made in the above section. They blatantly violate WP:NPA, which is an official policy. You might like to take a look at Wikipedia:NPA#Consequences_of_personal_attacks. I would be grateful if you withdraw your remarks. If you persist in such coments, I will take it further. What you say is completely inaccurate. I'm not questioning your sources or trying to undermine the article - quite the opposite. It needs to conform to WP:MOS to improve it. I see above on this page that I have given you a lot of time and information to help you to create content. I have also warned you about aggressive communication. I recognise you have done great work on Wally Hedrick, but there are certain aspects which don't conform to wikipedia guidelines, some of which John is more informed about than me. You should be glad that people are willing to help out. This is a collaborative project and other editors will intervene and point out where writing falls short. This is something you can learn from, and not treat everything as some attempt to sabotage the article. Please see WP:AGF: it goes a long way. Tyrenius (talk) 02:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Re. your remark on User talk:John - you're an editor. Do something about it. Edit the article on Koons. Tyrenius (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Mona Lisa
Hello. I think the Duchamp postcard would be a logical choice to come first after Leonardo out of the two or three hundred quotations of Mona Lisa in art, not counting advertising. I for sure don't know enough about art to weigh and choose among hundreds of works of art. No need to ask me if you want to restore football. At the time it looked low on the totem pole. -Susanlesch (talk) 10:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Do you have references to validate that your picture is in popular culture and of note? Tyrenius (talk) 10:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Ty, may I suggest you go and look at the Wally page for the last absurd citation request that I recieved from your buddy, so you can learn from his subsequent candid mistakes and acknowledgments...since I don't have the time right now to make you look like a fool again, too.
Btw, do you need a list of minor league pages that need major league attention? I would start with Jeff Koons. Wally Hedrick 130 citations -- Jeff Koons 0. Ok, I guess you don't have the merit or nerve to break some bread there -- since I am proving you and ur buddy petty one citation request at a time. Ty in advance --Art4em (talk) 08:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)