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Scrupulosity/Both Kinds

• I did explain.

(1) It is absurd to deny that scrupulosity was a major factor. There came a time when few people received the Eucharist in either form, consecrated bread or wine.

(2) The question of whether one ought to receive Communion under one or both kinds is irrelevant to the article. What is relevant is the fact that the chalice was denied to the people. That fact, in turn, meant that baptized infants had no proper means to receive the Eucharist. Perhaps that would be a good idea for another article...

(3) The idea of restricting the Eucharist contrary to the Gospel is the problem. "Suffer the little children to come unto me..." Christ did not say Suffer the big children to come unto me... Nor did He say Suffer the smart children to come unto me...
Unsigned at 02:47, 26 July 2005 by User:Sophroniscus

These things happen... --Sophroniscus 14:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages, Theo. I spend most of my Wikipedia time at the Terri Schiavo talk page, so words like "absurd" roll off my back, anyway! I see from your user page that you've studied with Open University. So have I. Cheers. Ann Heneghan 22:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Absurd?

You may be right. I know I sometimes say absurd things. One runs that risk whenever one opens one's mouth... --Sophroniscus 14:26, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I have my wife to remind me... --Sophroniscus 15:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hello.

I would just like to say tusen takk for copyediting the kammerlader article - you caught a lot of stuff that flew right under my radar. Again, thanks. WegianWarrior 06:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

In responce to your question... I got no username there (yet). But just tell me which article it is, and I'll be more than happy to return the favour. WegianWarrior 10:00, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Filiocht?

Hi Theo. Have you seen Filiocht's page? I was a bit shocked when I saw it today. Can you shed any light on why he might have decided to leave? If there is anything I can do to help I would very much like to. I've emailed him, hopefully he'll respond. I was enjoying quite a bit working with you and him on the Dante list. I'd be very sad if he has left the project permanently. Regards, Paul August ☎ 14:48, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

InShaneee's request at TINMC

I've tried to mediate between InShanee and Angie Y. but am completely unable to get any response out of her. Therefore Inshaneee is currently considering an RfC against her and he mentioned you had also had troubles with this user. Since I am primarily a mediator, I hate to have to take the next step, but seeing as Angie completely avoids any kind of interaction with me, I fear that might be the only way. Look here and here for conversations between me and Inshaneee. See here for my requests to Angie with no replies.

If you wish to discuss this issue, please leave a message on my talk page, and I'd like all discussion about this issue there. If you aren't interested, feel free to ignore me. :) Inter\^Echo 09:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for your offer of assistance. I've started posting diffs on the subpage in question, as she continues to make mountains of edits that need editing/outright reversion. They are more subtble than her fanfic posts, but they still need a lot of work, and she refuses to discuss anything. I fear I may have to go ahead with the RFC (despite your misgivings), as I am quite tired of all the work I have been putting into this conflict, and it's really starting to seem like I have no other choice (all optimism aside). --InShaneee 18:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't know if you've got that subpage watched, but if not, I've added a few more references, just to let you know. Despite the fact that things are continuing unabated, I do appreciate your help, as she does seem to be responding to you somewhat (a small start, I suppose), and this is taking some of the workload off of my tired shoulders. --InShaneee 02:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Added a few more problems. For my money, things aren't getting any better, she's just doing the same things in different places now. --InShaneee 03:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• • • 'sigh'. I know, I know. I need to watch what I'm saying. I apologize. I certainly do watch what I'm saying to Angie, don't get me wrong...and I am trying to keep a cool head about things. It's just, as I'm sure you can understand, incredibly frustrating. I shall try harder in the future though. And once again, I cannot thank you enough for your assistance. --InShaneee 16:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

• • • • Now just a moment. That 'revert vandalism' wasn't written without thought or merit. First of all, if you take a look at the 'vandalism in progress' page, Angie made a note about Dvirgueza herself (innapropriatly placed though it is), and has also reverted several of his changes herself, indicating quite clearly that she HAS been following this debate. Second of all, the image doesn't belong there, since it's been established this user is clearly using copyrighted images, in general the people dealing with him are trying not to use any of them until the current investigation into their status can be concluded. --InShaneee 15:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

• • • • • Wow....that's a nice table there! You know...I know you agreed to help with this whole situation, but I'm finding myself surprised on a daily basis how dedicated you've been to helping out. This obviously isn't at an end yet, but I feel compelled to thank you once more for your continuing assistance. It's been a major load off of my shoulders. --InShaneee 16:14, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Deguire

Hey Theo! Seeing as you're an admin, would you mind taking a look at Deguire and speedying it if you agree with me? It should have been deleted in May, but some crafty vandalism saved it. I just stumbled across it by chance a few minutes ago. All the best! --Scimitar ^parley 21:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

For the prompt service. . .

. . . as well as your excellent, ongoing contribution to Wikipedia, I, Lord Scimitar, occasional master of my user page, defender of not much actually, and King of my cubicle, grant you this barnstar. If you don't have one yet, you certainly deserve it.

"Virgil" to "Vergil"?

Hi Theo, User:Derek Ross has moved Virgil to Vergil and is changing to that speliing in lots of articles. In my experience "Virgil" is the much more common spelling. What is your experience? I've posted a comment on this at Talk:Vergil. If you have any thoughts on the matter you might want to join the discussion there. Thanks. Paul August ☎ 17:49, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Theo for joining the "Virgil" discussion, and making all those edits. And a special thanks for my shiny new ... er rusty old barnstar, I will display it proudly! Paul August ☎ 13:39, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Getting sucked back in

Hi there, after a period of about two weeks absence I have come back to wikipedia to find my username mentioned with accusations and personal attacks. The temptation was too strong, but I've decided not to respond to it any further. All i'm going to say is that when the RFC comes make sure it's done properly, he doesn't wiggle out of it and the outcome is worthwhile. I'll certainly sign it (along with about 25 other users) but I don't have the energy to contribute anything else. Keep up the good work. Jim Leonig Mig 14:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I think the problem is, the articles I most want to edit (Barnt Green, Lickey etc) are policed by him. If I make an edit on them, he always either revert it, or some other destrtuctive alteration a few hours later. It's horrible. The only reason I registered here was to make those articles, and I have a great deal of material to add to them. He knows this from discussion pages etc. I can't add it because it turns what should be a pleasurable activity into conflict. All I want now is to be left alone. Leonig Mig 10:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

References

Hi Theo, thanks for the comments... please see User_talk:Anubis1975#References --Anubis1975 06:38, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

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Although I haven't been actively involved in editing the Ward Churchill article of late, I have been following the discussions on the talk page. You should consider either opening another RfC on Keetoowah or taking the matter directly to Arbitration. Personally, I don't believe a individual who displays such incivility to fellow contributors belongs in this project. See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Keetoowah, from earlier this year. -- Viajero | Talk 21:43, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Wake me up...

Thanks I am encouraged to be more thorough in my edit summaries. lots of issues | leave me a message 07:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

References and Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory

It's not a big issue, so I won't change it again, if you do. However, my changes were based on general use. IMDB is *very* often used as a source of facts in the article AND listed on "External links", not "References". Rarely are items double-listed. I think there's a "tendancy" to use "References" more as a type of academic/research backup for the "so included" reader. I understand your system of reasoning, but if applied universally, a massive number of articles (especially for celebs) would have to be changed.

Another issue: "External links" is valuable in warning the user, what's obvious to you or me, that the items are in fact external. If you only have one of the two, "External links" is best, since it is so obvious in terms of meaning. As a rule, any external links outside of the "External links" section, should be looked at with extra scrutiny. But, as I said, if you're just changing this article, it's no biggie to me. --rob 08:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I so …

File:Boniface8.gif

Boniface VIII, the first conehead

… want to add this image and caption to the Dante list. Please restrain me. Paul August ☎ 20:49, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding .Keetoowah at Ward Churchill

Theo, I happened to notice your exchanges with User:Keetoowah at the Ward Churchill article. This user, User:Keetoowah, has been one of the most agressively obnoxious editors I've yet to encounter on Wikipedia. He's made this a personal campaign and if you check earlier versions of the article, you'll see how it has devolved into the current state. He's on a mission to do anything he can to keep the article as negative and POV against Churchill as possible. Several other editors have just pretty much given up on it. Anyway, I thought your points were well made and fair, but User:Keetoowah is just impossible to deal with. I'm suprised he's still lurking around and doing what he does without some action being taken, but there it is. Anyway, I've long since given up editing on that article largely becuase of him. I'm not suggesting you do, but the article is "his" and that's how it's going to be. Maybe in 10 years, assuming Wikipedia is still around, the article can be made into something more appropriate to the project. Good luck, Calicocat 06:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

INC Comments

Thanks, Theo. I'm trying to ignore Ironbrew's initial comments but I just couldn't pass on it the second time he did it--but still, I apologize for the sarcastic comment. Ealva 16:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Theo, the Pasugo article "Felix Y. Manalo and the Iglesia ni Cristo" is written by Isabelo T. Crisotomo in the May-June 1986 issue, Manalo's centennial. You can find the article in on of the reference in the Iglesia ni Cristo wiki article (an INC member's site)[1] If you really need a scanned excerpt of the magazine, I could supply upon request. Ipso-Facto 08:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the "medicine"

But I've taken the liberty of changing your prescription a bit. Paul August ☎ 17:02, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Glad to have met you

Hi Theo, it was great talking to you on the way back from Wikimania ;-) Hope we'll see each other again at one of the planned meetups in London. Cheers, IulianU 21:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Chrisopher Rose

Who requested the deletion of this article? I'm technically the "author" so I'm curious about why you deleted it. Did the subject request that it be deleted? If so, is that really a criteria for deleting an article? --malathion ^talk 02:33, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Ted Radcliffe

Hi, thanks for your message. There was one more 'Double Duty' reference in the Intro which I changed so I'm now in support of the FAC for this guy. I've already updated my vote. Lisiate 21:04, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

ASIN comment

My apologies for misrepresenting your view by moving the comment - I personally don't see the distinction between deleting ASINs and replacing them with something else, since replacement implies deletion of the original. However, maybe I should have stated this reasoning explicitly, as I did with Kaldari's comment. Perhaps you could reinsert your comment in the "neutral" section, with an explanation of why you consider this to be distinct from deletion - as I asked Kaldari, do you consider the ASINs a useful intermediate step for researching their replacements? Or is there some other reason you think deleting them without simultaneous replacement would be a bad thing? Again, sorry for any offence I caused by not making my reasoning more explicit. - IMSoP 23:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Func's RfA :)

Theo, thank you for your support on my RfA! :)

Please never hesitate to let me know if you have concerns with any administrative action I may make.

Func( t, c, e,  ) 18:30, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

footnote tags

I am restoring the affected page now.

The page in question is one of over 100 that had links to a survey website that has been blacklisted, and in my haste to update them all I made a mistake. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 23:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Me again!

Hey, Theo, me again! If you have a minute, would you take a quick look at Jason Po-Tiger for me? I marked it to be speedied this morning (you'll see why if you read it), and it's been around since April, so I don't see why it needs to stay any longer. Thanks in advance. --Scimitar ^parley 22:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• Just for you, I have returned my original baboon portrait to my user page, from which point it can maintain a constant vigil over this project. --Scimitar ^parley 14:07, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Escape from Cluster Prime article expansion

Can you create an article for Escape from Cluster Prime? I've only seen it once. --User:Angie Y.

Didn't realize... thanks!

Hi, I just wanted to thank you for correcting my error. I actually am new here, and the creation of the Push, Nevada page was my very first edit/creation (I really owe it to the extensive help guide for being such an excellent teacher). As for the lyrics, I had no idea that it was considered a breach of copyright to post them--I saw an incorrect version posted on Mike Teavee's page, so I thought I'd update it for the sake of accuracy. Well, learn something new everyday... again--thanks. Surprise of the Century 11:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Suggested apology

Hi Tony: Given User:Curps view that it was absurd of me to suggest that you apologise for blocking the inappropriate username, I wish to emphasise that I saw the blocking as an inappropriately hasty action but not as a malicious one. I think that you made a minor error: one of timing. Because it is now apparent that the user was malicious I believe that the suggested apology would not have been effective. And, I believe that the occasional error does not diminish the good work that you do. —Theo (Talk) 22:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me personally. It gives me a chance to set your mind at reat.

I didn't mind that you suggested an apology and I took the suggestion in good faith.

To me it was apparent that the username was very inappropriate and the user had been politely warned (perhaps too politely). The clock was ticking and the edit history was filling up with suggestions that a man physically attack a woman. In my judgement that is not acceptable. We're here to build an encyclopedia and things that impede that aren't welcome.

I know there are other ways of interpreting the situation, and that it could possibly be true that nobody would feel alienated from Wikipedia by the presence of usernames like that. However my final opinion was that the editor must know that the username was offensive, and must have known this when he created the username. He was welcome to continue editing but not to continue using an offensive username.

I don't think it's fair to expect Wikipedia editors to watch a television program on a particular US network--we come from all over the place and most of us haven't been exposed to that particular show, nor would most of us know how to go about watching an episode, so there is no common basis of culture to appeal to so as to mitigate the shock value of that username.

The finding that it was actually (apparently--I don't know the details) some hitherto well known troll doesn't have any bearing on this case. We didn't know, and couldn't know, the identity of the editor in question, and there was no doubt in my mind that the editor did mean to contribute in good faith. But I felt that it was right to block that username because it wouldn't stop him choosing a more appropriate name and continuing to edit. Well it turns out we were wrong on that but even so I think it's best to stop offensive usernames while inviting the editor in question to continue editing with a different name. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:43, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

POTW

I think its about time a RFC was started against Pigsonthewing, see this his recent ploy of removing any slight criticism pretending it is a "personal atack" is IMO completely unnaceptable. I think a RFC is long long overdue. What do you think. G-Man 21:23, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

For your patience, fairness and diplomacy

This barnstar of Diligence is presented to TheoClarke for his patience, fairness, diplomacy and outstanding work in improving Iglesia ni Cristo related articles. Presented by LBMixPro and Emico on 15:39, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

RE: Retaining Source

Thank you for pointing out my edit on that article. I apologize for the mistake, as I very rarely deal with sources on Wikipedia, and I guess I learned it the hard way. Thanks again, and I will make sure not to remove sources again. --Evanwohrman 10:51, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Sad

Hi Theo. Have you seen this: User talk:Filiocht#Why I won't be back any time soon? Paul August ☎ 16:32, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Ok now you've made me buy music!

I happened to be looking at your user page, and one thing led to another, and now I'm listening to "Sweets for my Sweet" after having just purchased and downloaded The Very Best of … The Searchers from iTMS. Paul August ☎ 21:22, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Your comment on my userpage

Hello, Theo. I have responded to your comment on my userpage. I have no desire nor intent to create any animosity or discord at Wikipedia, but it becomes challenging to maintain my behaviour and composure when I'm surrounded by such nasty accusations and incivility. --Ironbrew 01:09, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Just checking!

Thanks for the confirmation. I was just a little concerned that I had more words in links than not :) Telsa 18:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Politeness

Contrary to what you wrote at User talk:Keetoowah, we are rewuired to be polite. Here is the policy that says this: Wikipedia:Civility. Keetooah is currently the subject of a request for arbitration over his incivility. —Theo (Talk) 21:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Oh yes, I see :-) Thanks for the info. —kooo 08:33, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

Sourcing requests/Dylan albums

Was there only the one I responded to, or are there others? I didn't notice the one I responded to before this week? Monicasdude 22:26, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Irritating behaviour by POTW

What do you think. I think the sort of stuff i'm adding to the wikipedia is of reasonable quality. I don't see why this prick thinks he can police my edits. Leonig Mig 18:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)