Template talk:WikiProject banner shell

Minor formatting discussion

There's a discussion about a minor (but very noticeable) formatting change going on here, which doesn't seem to be attracting very much interest; any comments from this page would be welcome, as the two are fairly similar. I dislike the change for reasons explained there; in fact I would like to propose that we add the "click show for further details" to WPBS, when the |collapsed=yes parameter is set (obviously telling viewers to click show when the banner is expanded is rather silly). It would make the banners more similar without disrupting the vast majority of instances (where WPBS is expanded). Thoughts? Happy‑melon 08:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for it, as long as the "click show..." isn't put on a new line. As with the other template, the new line for those 5 words is not necessary, and just makes the box waste vertical space on the page. Equazcion •✗/C • 08:42, 14 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so if there's no disapproval for this change, how's about we do it? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I would be against this change (that is, if I'm reading correctly, to slim the bar down to *just* the text "This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects"). One of the points of this shell is to minimize the footprint of the banners while still showing useful information. In this case, we get to see which banners are there and, typically, what class the article is rated, while still getting getting rid of all the 'useless garbage' in the full banners. I, for one, like seeing this information up front without having to waste effort clicking on linktext. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 09:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The only change I'm proposing here is the removal of the line break between "this subject is..." and "click [show]". Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure you aren't thinking of {{WikiProjectBanners}}? This template doesn't have any "click [show]" text on a separate line...just a single "[show]" beside the collapsed title text.

I'm obviously an idiot for not paying attention to the black and white text above. You are talking about adding text that says "Click [show] for further details." or somesuch, correct? While not hard to implement, I question how "[show]" can be ambiguous in this situation. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 10:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem with PeruProjectBanner

{{PeruProjectBanner}} causes a problem when it is nested, see Talk:Mortem (band). BNutzer (talk) 21:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about the "(Rated {{{importance}}}-importance)", fixed. Anomie⚔ 00:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done Yes, that was what I meant. Thank you for the fast solution. BNutzer (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Unsupported template WikiProject New Wave music

{{WikiProject New Wave music}} needs to support nested=, see Talk:Beargarden (band) BNutzer (talk) 20:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

If this isn't taken care of in the meantime, I'll work on this tonight. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 20:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Beat you to it. Anomie⚔ 23:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Gaps between banners

I have noticed blank line appear between banners. For example Talk:World Food Programme. Is this a glitch in the template, or a problem with the nested banners? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 13:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, everything should be fixed. The top and bottom banners had whitespace issues. Basically, if there is whitespace inside the banner box, it will not be a problem with this template, but with one of the banners. Just leave a message here if you see this again and someone will check it out. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 15:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow! that was quick. So quick I missed the reply in my watchlist. Thank you. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 20:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:WP1.0

Can this banner be made compatible with WPBS? Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 20:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

WP1.0 isn't a WikiProject, so I wouldn't think so... -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 21:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I know it's not technially a wikiproject, but the banner functions in pretty much the same way, and show the same kind of information. Tucking it into the shell seems like a good idea. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 22:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It certainly could, and in fact it was already done 7 August 2007. Anomie⚔ 22:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Really! I tried to include it in the banner shell in the Talk:Frankenstein article, and it caused the shell not to open when you hit the "show" link. Is there some other parameter other than "nested=yes" that I need to add? Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 23:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I just tested {{WP1.0}} on Talk:Frankenstein and a couple of other places, and it seems to work fine. The current template, {{V0.5}}, seems to work as well. Can you make sure it is still erroring for you? — Huntster (t • @ • c) 03:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

My mistake, it was Talk:Communism not Talk:Frankenstein (don't ask!). I've fiddled with it, and whatever the problem was, it's gone away now -- almost certainly something I didn't do quite right, originally. My apologies. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 04:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Broken?

This banner template seems to be broken at Talk:The Lord of the Rings. Can anyone help fix it? Carcharoth (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

"=1" instead of "1=". Fixed. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 01:12, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Found the culprit. :-) Carcharoth (talk) 01:19, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was me, sorry, I have real problems remembering the correct format for that parameter -- what does it do, incidentally, is there something about its function that would help me to remember it? Also, although the parameter for the template is correct on WPBS on the LotR article, now it doesn't seem to have a show/hide link. Is there a reason for that? Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 02:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The way templates work, if you call the template as {{template|foo}}, then when the template is expanded the parameter {{{1}}} (the "first unnamed parameter") is replaced with foo. So what if you want that "first unnamed parameter" to be replaced with bar=foo (or anything else containing "=")? If you call the template as {{template|bar=foo}}, the parameter {{{bar}}} is replaced with foo, and {{{1}}} isn't replaced at all. The solution is to specifically name the parameter: {{template|1=bar=foo}}. Since all WikiProject banners will have at least 1 "=" in their template invocation (for the "|nested=yes", if nothing else), the "1=" is effectively mandatory for {{WPBS}}. Anomie⚔ 03:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

BTW, all the show/hide links seem to be working fine in Talk:The Lord of the Rings at this time. I don't know if someone fixed it or if your browser is having issues. Anomie⚔ 03:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The show/hide thing must be a browser problem: I looked w/ as different browser and it looks fine. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 05:43, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

After some considerable testing, I believe I've determined that under IE 7 adding Template:ME-project to WPBS causes the show/hide feature to go away, as does adding a value to the "class=" parameter of Template:Children'sLiteratureWikiProject. Looking with Firefox, there's no problem. Is it possible that these two templates are in someway in conflict with IE or WPBS? Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 06:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I've gone back through your edits to Talk:The Lord of the Rings, and I don't see any missing show/hide links even in IE7 on my other computer. Anomie⚔ 14:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It seems to be something in my Wikipedia set up. If I log out and look at the page, the show/hide button is there, same with using my wife's account. My account, however, on my computer or hers, does not show the hide/show button. I guess I'll root around a little and try to figure out what;s causing the problem. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 14:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, here is the problem. If I have the switch "Open external links in a new tab/window" in "Preferences / Gadgets / User interface gadgets" turned on, the show/hide button on WPBS on Talk:The Lord of the Rings disappears (as does my UTC clock, also set by a gagdet switch) if I have included Template:ME-project in the shell, or if the "class=" parameter in Template:Children'sLiteratureWikiProject has a value in it. If I turn off that switch, disabling new windows for external links, the UTC clock and the show/hide button return. Sounds wierd, but I've confirmed it on another computer. This is using IE7 under Vista. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 19:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm... I see both of those templates include a broken link in their output (to http://en.wikipedia.org{{localurl:Talk:The_Lord_of_the_Rings/Comments|action=edit}}), and IE7 throws a jscript error when trying to do much of anything with those link's href property. Sounds like a bug in IE7 with not handling screwed-up links correctly.

Also, BTW, I see someone changed that talk page from this template to the (unattractive, IMO) {{wpb}} shortly after your edits. Does it still stop your clock now? I suspect it does. Anomie⚔ 21:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the links generated by those two banners, hopefully that fixes the issue. Anomie⚔ 22:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, WPB was braking the clock, yes everything seems peachy now -- thank you! -- and yes WPB is uglier. I've restored WPBS. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 22:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Template WikiProject Idol series

{{WikiProject Idol series}} seems to add a blank line, see Talk:Michael Johns (singer). BNutzer (talk) 18:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Y No idea what was causing it, but putting the banners in a different order took care of it. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed with this diff. The "noinclude" tag must always be on the same line as the last line of included code, though it is another mystery why this didn't always manifest with that template. Oh well. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 20:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Talkheader + WikiProjectBannerShell ≈ Good?

Please see the discussion here. LA (T) @ 20:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Centring

Can this template be centred like other talkpage headers? (I'd do it myself, but I wanted to make sure first that there wasn't some already discussed rationale for this.) - jc37 03:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Where are you seeing it not centered? It lines up perfectly with other standard talk page banners for me. Anomie⚔ 04:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Red hair - jc37 08:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you post a screenshot? Talk:Red hair looks fine for me (with Mozilla Firefox.) Also try logging out of wikipedia: if that makes a difference, is it is a clue to the root cause. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 09:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

After reboot, ctrl+F5, etc., it still has this issue.

It displays as left-aligned. But the talkheader shows as centered. Is there a difference between how the two are formatted? - jc37 10:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Same in Talk:Batman, Talk:Spider-Man, and interestingly, at Talk:Tobey Maguire, the project template also has the issue of being left-aligned, while the BLP notice is centred. - jc37 10:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Red hair shows the WPBS centered for me in Firefox 3, IE6, and Safari 3.1.2 for Windows. Which browser are you using? Also, BTW, Talk:Batman doesn't even use this template (it uses Template:WikiProjectBanners). Anomie⚔ 12:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

jc37: You must be using some really old browser. What you describe is exactly what I see when using my Internet Explorer 5.5 (from 2001 or so). But I don't see it in any of my other browsers. Its the "messagebox" CSS class that use "margin: auto" which old browsers don't understand, so those boxes become left aligned in older browsers. We fixed the problem in the "tmbox" classes, used in for instance {{tmbox}}. So tmbox based boxes look good in all browsers.

However, there is more to this! I took a look at Talk:Red hair with my IE 5.5, and what was really intriguing was that the {{talkheader}} was centred! Now that was strange since it uses the old "messagebox" class. So I investigated. You re-relearn something everyday... It has an old HTML setting ' align="center" ' that makes it centre even in the old browsers. So since that is neat and works well until we have upgraded these boxes to use the tmbox classes I took the liberty of adding the align="center" to {{WPBannerMeta}}, {{WikiProjectBannerShell}} and {{WikiProjectBanners}}. So now even jc37 will see these boxes centred in his ancient browser. :))

jc37: Oh, and thanks for spotting this case!

--David Göthberg (talk) 23:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Nicely done : )

And adding align="center" was my initial intention, when posting here : )

And you're welcome, glad to help "the cause" : ) - jc37 23:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I think I found another one: Template:ArticleHistory (discovered at Talk:Batman). - jc37 00:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Display problem

The latest change has caused a problem with the footer which now splits on to several lines instead of only a single line. See talk:Beverley. Keith D (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed Happy‑melon 16:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

AOL problem?

With AOL 9.0 under Windows Vista, the show/hide option isn't shown and all banners are displayed. Things seem to be fine under IE 7.0, Firefox 2.0 and Safari 3.1.2. The problem just developed recently. Any thoughts? Ed Fitzgerald ^{t / c} 20:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be a general problem, since "show/hide" isn't appearing in navboxes either. Ed Fitzgerald ^{t / c} 21:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)