Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Western Australia: Difference between revisions

It seems we have two near identical articles, both of which are largely plagiarised from the company website. At least one is notable, but which? Or do we need both? Moondyne 13:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They're probably both notable, but there's no point having duplicate articles. I agree with what you've just done i.e. redirect the man to the company. This can be undone if and when we uncover enough verifiable information on him to warrant a disdinct article. Hesperian 13:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protected areas of Western Australia

This list contains some interesting statistics in the lead, and groups the areas into different categories, but I cannot find an online reference to support it, or explain what the meaning of the different areas are. I suspect it was created from a page on the old CALM website which has now gone. I also wouldn't be surprised if many changes to the lists/s have happened since it was created in 2002 (a fairly early WP article). I think that it is an important list to keep up to date, as it acts as an index to articles we have and need. How can we fix it? Comments? Moondyne 14:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note, I am aware of [1] but it seems incomplete. Moondyne 14:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

marine [2] this is probably the more active area of recent times Gnan garra 15:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous areas at Federal enviroment appears to have an extensive pdf, again dated as of 2004 :{ and this one for statistical info shows around 16% of WA is protected for various reasons. Gnan garra 15:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Googling I also struck dead links to Collaborative Australian Protected Areas Database - CAPAD will dig some more, and viola CAPAD Gnan garra 15:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because of the amount of work to fix it - probably get rid of it and make better lists of the national parks and etc -

because of the name changes and various tweaks the recent government changes make such a long list unmanageable * despite the fact the other states have similar articles (in most cases with heaps of red links unlikely to ever be completed)
i think better to have nat parks, reserves, etc as separate lists/ articles for manageability

However have noted Moondynes comment its worth having as an index base/list - problem is that even DEC cannot keep their info in order very well - it might - if enough people put enough time into it - be better than anything than the agency has in open web space Satu Suro 00:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support having separate WP lists. The latest lists I've now found are 2004 terrestrial and marine & external (detailed report tab). DEC's major groupings seem to be

National Parks(95)
Marine parks and reserves(15)
Regional parks(8)
Conservation parks(12)
Nature reserves(13)
Forest recreation areas(14)
Other recreation areas(6)

The Feds CAPAD lists group as

Conservation Park
Miscellaneous Conservation Reserve
National Park
Nature Reserve
Other Private Protected Area
Indigenous Protected Area
Marine Nature Reserve
Marine Park

The whole business seems rubbery to me—I would have thought these places would be gazetted and officially listed somewhere. I'd also have hoped for a clear definition of the groups, but I think I now have enough to work on. Thanks. Moondyne 03:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You may find http://www.wdpa.org useful. Hesperian 03:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are also RAMSAR sites and World Heritage sites. Hesperian 03:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The template of National Parks of South Australia might given an idea or two - a lot depends on a particular states hierarchy of areas under the current legislation as to what is a NAt Park, reserve etc i suppose Satu Suro 06:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of link to FallingRainMaps

Over a series of articles and old railway locations in WA I have encountered what I consider substandard if not misleading maps links placed at old railway localities articles.

I have put a comment at Northampton, Western Australia as about the third or fourth time that I have tackled the issue - and consider that other WA project editors might wish to either check the veracity of the maps, my comments to the editor, and the general expectation of maps links.

I think that they look like looking through the bottom of thick based drinking glass, on a rainy day in a tin shed with door closed, with a blunt stick scratched on a rusty tin sheet for a map. Maybe I have been spoilt by the high quality of local editors made maps but they leave me wanting to scratch the side of some glass with a fork. Satu Suro 02:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem with fallingrain, apart from the amazing number of errors and out-of-date data I have located in WA, is the fact we have no idea where their data is sourced from. We should be able to trust not only our sources but our source's sources too... that's what makes them reliable. The "credits" link at the bottom of http://www.fallingrain.com/world is broken. Orderinchaos 02:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While we're on the subject, I've nominated Falling Rain Genomics for deletion. Hesperian 06:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Electoral region of South West

I am planning to rewrite all of our six region articles and am doing this one first as a template, as it's relatively easy compared to the others due to a lack of countbacks (the Upper House equivalent to byelections). One bit I am having trouble with though is how to represent the historical members. On one-seat electorates it's easy - see Nedlands for one example. But when we have seven at the same time, what's the best approach? If you can think of something, either suggest it here or even be bold if you wish ... I've left all the data in the relevant section inside comment tags. Orderinchaos 13:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about something like example 1, noting that the format for MB-L doesnt want to play, though its probably something I did Gnan garra 14:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the way to expand would be by adding new member to the bottom of the list rather than alpha, and party sorting Gnan garra 15:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ... that is a pretty good one! (The problem btw was just the lack of a space between width=15 and the {{.) Orderinchaos 09:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Formatted it into the article, add foot notes on dates and on Paddy Embry the source data provided says he was one nation then ind then new country party, added a foot note to match though it probable needs a bit more info Gnan garra 14:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for that :) Much appreciated. I've done minor tweaking to get it into shape, and copied in the note from the member list for Embry. Orderinchaos 14:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

example 1

Seven member seat
Member	Party	89-93	93-97	97-01	01-05	05-09
Beryl Jones	Labor	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor \|
John Cowdell	Labor		width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|
Matt Benson-Lidholm	Labor					width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|
Bob Thomas	Labor	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Labor\|
Dr Chrissy Sharp	Greens			width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Greens \|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Greens \|
Barry House	Liberal	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Liberal \|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Liberal \|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Liberal \|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Liberal \|	width=15 Template:Australian politics/party colours/Liberal \|

Std Format

Raw formatting of table as used in the article for ease of copying

		Seven member seat					Six member seat
Member	Party	1989-93	1993-97	1997-01	2001-05	2005-09	2009–13^[a]	2013-17^[b]
name	party	89	93	97	01	05	09	13

Notes: ^a Members serving for the 2009–2013 term were elected in 2008 but do not take their seats in Parliament until 22 May 2009.; ^b next term of office

response

example 1 looks good from where i look at it Satu Suro 04:33, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citibank House

Hi all. I'm planning to start a new article on the building which is apparently currently known as ~~"Chancery House"~~ "Citibank House", but which is better known as "that white stripey building on the corner of Barrack St and St Georges Tce with the Citibank logo on top" (see Google StreetView of it). It was built in 1962 as the "T&G Building", named after the T & G Mutual Life Assurance Society, and as far as I can tell was the tallest building in Perth upon its completion. It replaced the "T&G Chambers" which was a grand old building on the site. Here are some photos of the skyscraper in its original state in the LISWA pictorial collection:

The building there looks substantially (structurally) different to the building which now stands on the site (including what seems to be a whole extra floor and top added to the top of the building), but it turns out it's actually the same building, refurbished some time in the 1980s because planning laws had changed and the building couldn't be replaced with one the same size due to the small block size. That's what this 1987 article says, anyway.

At some stage before the building had the Citibank logo on it, but after it was refurbished, it bore the Aussie Home Loans logo.

If anyone has any information about this building, or can donate old photos of it, I would greatly appreciate it.

Incidentally, I also found this interesting article about the BankWest Tower, which shows how (subtly) different the plan was from the finished product (and it also explains why there's a flat surface at the top where the Bond logo was planned to go). - Mark 15:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Edited 08:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC) by Mark[reply]

St Geo's terrace tallest building in the early to mid 60's i though was the mlc building which used to have the time/temp/ or weather in lights at the top - which you could see from south perth - thats west of the old perth tech buildings - so the t and g as tallest seems odd from my ref point - but hey maybe someone else has the info Satu Suro 08:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The MLC Building is now (after major renovations and structural changes in the 1990s) the Kingsgate Apartments. Only 36 metres high, though, compared to 68m for the T&G Building. Thanks for pointing out the MLC Building to me, I am now going to write an article on that too. :) - Mark 13:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Centro Galleria

This extract from the history section of Centro Galleria doesn't sit right with me:

"Centro Galleria was officially opened in 1973 by Westfield Group it was largely demolished in 1989 to make way for a newer, larger shopping centre. The shopping centre reopened in 1994 after a five year long major redevelopment, and has had incremental expansions over time since then. The shopping centre was built by the Coles Myer Group, and Collier road was re-routed around the center."

I thought Morley just had a freestanding K-mart store (now part of Galleria), maybe a freestanding supermarket, the burnt-down Boans and that other complex that's still there on the northern side. Was there a Westfield on the site before the big 1994 construction, can anyone recall? And what are these incremental expansions to the centre since 1994? I don't know of any, unless it's a car park or something equally minor. - Mark 09:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 181: / Line 181: @@
 Incidentally, I also found [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3270/2863051570_d6f0c9ca7e_b.jpg this interesting article] about the BankWest Tower, which shows how (subtly) different the plan was from the finished product (and it also explains why there's a flat surface at the top where the Bond logo was planned to go). - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 15:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC) <small>Edited 08:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC) by [[User:Mark|Mark]]</small>
-St Geo's terrace ''tallest building'' in the early to mid 60's i though was the mlc building which used to have the time/temp/ or weather in lights at the top - which you could see from south perth - thats west of the old perth tech buildings - so the t and g as tallest seems odd from my ref point - but hey maybe someone else has the info [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 08:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
+:St Geo's terrace ''tallest building'' in the early to mid 60's i though was the mlc building which used to have the time/temp/ or weather in lights at the top - which you could see from south perth - thats west of the old perth tech buildings - so the t and g as tallest seems odd from my ref point - but hey maybe someone else has the info [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 08:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
+::The MLC Building is now (after major renovations and structural changes in the 1990s) the Kingsgate Apartments. Only 36 metres high, though, compared to 68m for the T&G Building. Thanks for pointing out the MLC Building to me, I am now going to write an article on that too. :) - [[User:Mark|Mark]] 13:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 == Centro Galleria ==