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Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk · contribs) – Self-nomination.

I have access to historical newspapers and original material placed in archives at Rutgers. For copyrighted material I contact the author or publisher for permission to use their work. My philosophy is that if information isn't on the Internet it might as well not exist. Material in libraries remained unread because no one knows they exist. Thanks to all who have read my articles.

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: self nomination accepted

Support

Support - Svest 03:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up}[reply]
Support, I'd say being here a year and having over 5,000 edits is experience enough... nothing in contribs suggests he would misuse admin priviliges, which must be the only consideration. Dan100 (Talk) 15:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Need more admins. This is an encyclopedia first, a community second. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-23 18:10
support. Per Brian. His encyclopedia edits cancel out his low WP space activity. Job e 6 18:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Plenty of experience. freestylefrappe 19:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was looking at this nomination to see if it should be removed early. But looking at Mr. Norton's reasoning for wanting to be an admin seems like a fine (if small--but many bricks make a wall) contribution to the overall advance of historical writing. Unless someone can show me that think he will abuse adminship, I wish the opposers would reconsider. -- Cecropia 16:56, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support, unlikely to abuse admin tools. Christopher Parham (talk) 17:50, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - This guy is a great editor, an ambassador for wikipedia. He may not have the usertalk or project edits, but he actively speaks to people outside of wikipedia for permissions and for research purposes. Too much, I see wikipedia as just being a regurgitation of things that can be found on google, we need more of these editors. If he believes adminship will help him in his contributions, then I think he should get it. I would hate for him to switch over to RC patrol or CVU to get more "community" edits. Keep on doing what you are doing. Like Cecropia above, I wish opposers would reconsider. - Hahnchen 04:55, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Grue 07:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support: you don't need to be a computer geek with the ability to properly list your RFA the first time in order to be an administrator. Matt Yeager 22:13, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support. El_C 00:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Very Strong Support He's a cool guy. He will be a good Admin. Let's vote for him! -- Bonaparte talk 12:34, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Techno-illiterate Geezer Support, I'd rather have an admin who can COMMUNICATE effectively, than an inarticulate, semi-literate techno geek. Besides, the admin corps has enough Wiz Kidz with 133t sk1llz. It needs more Geezers who can write.:>--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 18:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Oppose. No excuse not giving any description of one's self and not answering the questions in a self nom. Blackcap (talk) 02:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All were added after a brief delay --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Too new, not enough edits to prove to the community. Perhaps come back in a month or two. Best wishes as an editor. -- Natalinasmpf 04:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is this an attempt at a joke? One year and 5,000 edits is "too new"? Dan100 (Talk) 15:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - Agh, sorry I took a look at the contributions page and it didn't go past 500. It must have been a bug in the software. -- Natalinasmpf 17:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, inexperience shows when he tried to list his self-nom - check WP:RFA history. NSLE _(T+C+CVU) 04:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
All were added properly after a brief delay --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Richard is doing better than he did initially, but I'm not ready to say I trust him with administrator privileges. --Michael Snow 04:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose as per Michael Snow. --King of All the Franks 05:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Not enough experience with Wikipedia: namespace, User interaction (Talk or User_Talk)or work with items such as Templates. xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 06:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC) Changed to Neutral xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU[reply]
I have been concentrating on adding new biographical content, but will contribute more widely to group projects now that my biographical backlog is complete --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Lack of wiki namespace edits and talk edits --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 06:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ per Blackcap. Valuable contributions so far, but the editor needs some familiarity with Wikispace before applying. Xoloz 00:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC) ~~Oppose~~ per Blackcap. Tux256ac 05:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose. The user recently blanked his talk page. Please explain why you did this. — JIP | Talk 08:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I blanked my talk page to be able to find more readily the new messages people would be leaving me concerning the request for administratorship, as you know all the info is never deleted, just not displayed on the opening page --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
In such a case it's common procedure to move the removed messages to an archive page, such as User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Archive 1, and leave a link to it on your talk page. I have done it eight times so far. — JIP | Talk 19:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to see WP:ARCHIVE for details. Blackcap (talk) 20:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I realise that this user has heaps of encylopedia edits, but with only 9 project edits, the user probably wouldn't be able to do any admin tasks anyway. I will support in a couple of months if the user makes way more project edits. DarthVader 09:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have been concentrating on new content, mostly biography, but now that my backlog is complete, I plan to concentrate on admin tasks, hence the self-nomination --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. He appears to be a solid editor, but with hardly any WP: or talk participation, I don't think he's been tested in interactions with other users very much. Although, with all of his contributions to images, helping other users navigate the jargon at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags might be a good place to start, along with the usual AfD, CfD, RfD, and TfD areas. Given more participation there and more consistent use of edit summaries, I would probably support in a few months. (I like your user name also!) --Idont Havaname 20:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - see Commons:Village_pump#Is_this_Commons_material.3F just an illustration of his unfamiliarity with the project. The user contributes great and well researched articles (sometimes maybe too obscure). But I don't believe he needs admin powers for that. Renata3 22:09, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This quotation is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is a comment from Wikicommons, a distinct entity with its own editors. No rule of Commons.wikimedia was broken or bent. The rules of Wikicommons allow adding material for "current and future projects" including the proposed Wikipeople project, which is similar to whos-who --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This vote is invalid, as it addresses past unfamiliarity with a different project. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-29 02:12
Oppose - User does excellent edits, but should enter the policy namespace and get comfortable there before beginning to operate as an admin. Would happily support in a few months if he has done so. Learn to ride a regular bike before you hop on a motorcycle. --Improv 00:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Neutral - This isn't a support because I'm concerned you haven't contributed at all on the Wikipedia: side of things. But I don't really see how anyone can argue with over one year of experience and nearly 5000 edits on the "too new, not enough edits" level, so I don't see the point in piling on. (ESkog)^(Talk) 07:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize, I have been concentrating on biographies, but now that my backlog is complete, I plan to concentrate on admin tasks, and group projects. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm in favour principally, but more user interaction would be nice. Will likely support next time. ^N_i^g_h^t_s^t_a^l_lⁱ_oⁿ ✉ 12:08, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That has to be the strangest candidate statement ever. I'll vote neutral because the RfA wasn't posted in a way which makes me comfortable with your abilities with the Mediawiki software/Wikipedia policies at this time. Also, seems his replies have messed up the numbering in the oppose section. I'm not comfortable that he's good with the Mediawiki software yet. Hedley 18:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Not enough experience with Wikipedia: namespace, User interaction (Talk or User_Talk)or work with items such as Templates. Edits look promising, would support next time if items above increase. xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 19:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- So, were he to leave 1000 "welcome" messsages on new users' talk pages, that would up his number enough to make you comfortable with supporting him? Or, if he made 1000 minor stylistic changes to Wikipedia: pages, then the number would be high enough for you? — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-23 23:06
Its true I have been over-concentrating on biography, at the expense of more complex "macropedic tasks" and group projects. I think we all carry a mental list of things we think should be incorporated in an encyclopedia, and that list is the first to be added. Now that I have completed my list, I hope to work on admin tasks, and more complex group tasks. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- - No it wouldn't, I don't base my votes on RFA's on a magic edit count number per category. But having only 9 edits in WP:, never participating in WP discussions, and having little ammounts of User talk, meant I didn't even have anywhere to start looking at how this canditate deals with items such as project policies, how they tend to vote on items such as deletions, or how they interact with other editors. I originaly voted Oppose based on these criteria, as well as a below average use of edit summarties, but due to their other edits looking good, and having a long track record I moved it to Nuetral. Maybe I was a little too concise in my message above, if their numbers in those categories increase, but it is all crap, I would vote Oppose if this came up again; but there would be an opportunity to review them. xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 23:34, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
King of All the Franks 07:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Regarding 'too new' and 'not enough edits', unless I'm really not seeing things straight tonigt, this user has been here for about a year and has almost 5000 edits. Please provide a Contribs, Kate's tool, or other type of corrected link here to dispute this. xaosflux ^Talk/_CVU 06:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This is easily one of the most ridiculous reasons for opposition to date. This sort of event is what turns valuable contributors away, out of some self-absorbed belief that "everyone has to be as obsessed with the Wiki namespace as myself, because Wikipedia is an online message board first, a blog second, a community third, and an encyclopedia never." Let's hope Mr. Norton doesn't go the way of the Rl, and where is SPUI to add "Oh the drama!" — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-29 02:08

Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.

A.

I would like to be able to stop vandalism quicker. I also would like to be able to extract deleted articles for incorporation into other venues. Some biographies considered non-notable may be of value to other websites. I would also like to work on automating find and replace tasks such as finding the "-" in between birth and death dates and replacing them with "–"; and other related tasks.

2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?

A.

A typical article of mine would be: Middlebush Giant. I contacted the author of a reference work that cited the giant, and he gave me permission to quote him. He plans to use my newer information in his next version of the book. I used newspaper archives, searched for information in the census, and orderered a copy of his death certificate.

In Osborne Titaman Olsen I contacted the descendents for a photograph, and based on my article, I was invited to speak at a convention on china decorators. I received permission from the author to quote the work cited in the article, and the author asked to use my work in his upcoming new edition. I am scholarly and rely on original documents from archives, such as birth certificates and social security applications

I also am proud of finding errors in our rival Encyclopedia Britannica. They have the wrong birth date for Buster Crabbe and Ben Turpin, I have sent copies of the original documents to Encyclopedia Britannica and the Buster Crabbe online version has already been updated. EB has relied heavily on Hollywood press kits which have fabricated birth years to make stars look younger as they age.

For the article on Oscar Neebe I was able to contact his grandson, and recorded an hour interview in digital format, he was able to supply the names of siblings, and confirm birth and death dates found in the Illinois Death index.

I don't do original research, but I do my research using as many primary documents as possible. Descendents, letters, and original newspaper accounts.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A.

I am very mellow, I have had only one encounter with someone inpolite, and he was later banned for vandalism. I do have pet peeves such as using quotation marks around words as a way of denegrating the information: The "riot" was started when a rock was thrown... . I also have a dislike for parenthetical information. I prefer the information integrated into the narrative, rather than squeezed inbetween sentences: In 1923 (when he was 12 years old) ...

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-# '''Oppose.''' No excuse not giving any description of one's self and not answering the questions in a self nom. [[User:Blackcap|Blackcap]] [[User talk:Blackcap|(talk)]] 02:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
+<s>'''Oppose.''' No excuse not giving any description of one's self and not answering the questions in a self nom.</s> [[User:Blackcap|Blackcap]] [[User talk:Blackcap|(talk)]] 02:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 #: ''All were added after a brief delay --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)''
 #*<s>'''Oppose'''. Too new, not enough edits to prove to the community. Perhaps come back in a month or two. Best wishes as an editor. -- [[User:Natalinasmpf|Natalinasmpf]] 04:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)</s>
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 #: ''I have been concentrating on adding new biographical content, but will contribute more widely to group projects now that my biographical backlog is complete --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)''
 #'''Oppose''' Lack of wiki namespace edits and talk edits --[[User:Aranda56|Jaranda]] [[User_talk:Aranda56|<sup>wat's sup</sup>]] 06:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
-#'''Oppose''' per Blackcap.  Valuable contributions so far, but the editor needs some familiarity with Wikispace before applying. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 00:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
+<s>'''Oppose'''</s> per Blackcap.  Valuable contributions so far, but the editor needs some familiarity with Wikispace before applying. [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 00:40, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
-#'''Oppose''' per Blackcap. [[User:Tux256ac|Tux256ac]] 05:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
+<s>'''Oppose'''</s> per Blackcap. [[User:Tux256ac|Tux256ac]] 05:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 #'''Weak oppose'''. The user recently blanked his talk page. Please explain why you did this. &mdash; [[User:JIP|<font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 08:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 #: ''I blanked my talk page to be able to find more readily the new messages people would be leaving me concerning the request for administratorship, as you know all the info is never deleted, just not displayed on the opening page --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 18:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)''
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 #'''Oppose'''.  He appears to be a solid editor, but with hardly any WP: or talk participation, I don't think he's been tested in interactions with other users very much.  Although, with all of his contributions to images, helping other users navigate the jargon at [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags]] might be a good place to start, along with the usual AfD, CfD, RfD, and TfD areas.  Given more participation there and more consistent use of edit summaries, I would probably support in a few months.  (I like your user name also!) --[[User:Idont havaname|Idont Havaname]] 20:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 #'''Oppose''' - see [[:Commons:Village_pump#Is_this_Commons_material.3F]] just an illustration of his unfamiliarity with the project. The user contributes great and well researched articles (sometimes maybe too obscure). But I don't believe he needs admin powers for that. [[User:Renata3|Renata3]] 22:09, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
-#: ''This quotation is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is a comment from Wikicommons, a distinct entity with its own editors. No rule of Commons.wikimedia was broken or bent. The rules of Wikicommons allow adding material for "current and future projects" including the proposed [[Wikipeople]] project, which is similar to whos-who --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 23:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
+#* This quotation is not relevant to Wikipedia. It is a comment from Wikicommons, a distinct entity with its own editors. No rule of Commons.wikimedia was broken or bent. The rules of Wikicommons allow adding material for "current and future projects" including the proposed [[Wikipeople]] project, which is similar to whos-who --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 23:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
+#*This vote is invalid, as it addresses past unfamiliarity with '''a different project'''. &mdash; <small><sub>[[User_talk:Brian0918|<font color="#444444">0918</font>]]</sub><sup><span style="position: relative; left:-24px; margin-right:-24px;">[[User:Brian0918|<b><font color="#222222">BRIAN</font></b>]]</span></sup> &bull; 2005-12-29 02:12</small>
 #'''Oppose''' - User does excellent edits, but should enter the policy namespace and get comfortable there before beginning to operate as an admin. Would happily support in a few months if he has done so. Learn to ride a regular bike before you hop on a motorcycle. --[[User:Improv|Improv]] 00:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)