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== Comparative studies of the Roman and Han empires ==
== Comparative studies of the Roman and Han empires ==
Please stop trying to include the external link to your own pamphlet and try to respect the ongoing discussion/vote. [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] ([[User talk:Gun Powder Ma|talk]]) 14:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop trying to include the external link to your own pamphlet and try to respect the ongoing discussion/vote. [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] ([[User talk:Gun Powder Ma|talk]]) 14:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:Please tell us if you have an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparative_studies_of_the_Roman_and_Han_empires&action=historysubmit&diff=356785157&oldid=356598520 understanding disability] with regards to the proper demeanour while a discussion/vote is still underway. [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] ([[User talk:Gun Powder Ma|talk]]) 21:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:GPM, that external link was valid, as it showed your lack of understanding on what Wikiversity stands for; it was conducive to the discussion and not completely malicious. The only other link added to the Wikiversty page was added by DreamFocus, who initiated the discussion. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Comparative_studies_of_the_Roman_and_Han_empires&diff=355933019&oldid=354519533] Anyways, I came to your talk page, Teeninvestor, to remind you to keep your talk page messages neutral, to avoid violations of [[WP:CANVASS]]. --[[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 14:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
:GPM, that external link was valid, as it showed your lack of understanding on what Wikiversity stands for; it was conducive to the discussion and not completely malicious. The only other link added to the Wikiversty page was added by DreamFocus, who initiated the discussion. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Comparative_studies_of_the_Roman_and_Han_empires&diff=355933019&oldid=354519533] Anyways, I came to your talk page, Teeninvestor, to remind you to keep your talk page messages neutral, to avoid violations of [[WP:CANVASS]]. --[[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 14:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

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It has closed as a de facto delete, with the article being blanked and protected. Please take a look at Comparison between Roman and Han Empires/Draft.Teeninvestor (talk) 16:38, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have NEVER in four years seen a AFD close this way. Fabulous job. You should thank the closer of the AFD with a barnstar, found here: WP:Barnstar. At first I moved it to your user space, to avoid it being deleted immediately, then I saw the afd and realized that it was stubified.
I would go to some wikiprojects for help, it will be hard to find editors to find editors as interested as you, but you can try.
Before moving the article to main space again, I would actually work with the "MA" editor who supported deletion and get his opinion, also the AFD closer. The more people you talk to and get involved, the better chance the article has of being saved.
Before moving the article to main space, email me too. Ikip 23:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This barnstar is awarded to User:Teeninvestor for making the unprecedented closure of Comparison between Roman and Han Empires possible, despite enormous odds. You work gives hope to all editors who try to save articles. You are an inspiration to all wikipedians. Ikip 23:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping to interview at least two editors for the next Article Rescue Squadron newsletter.

Here is the interview from our first issue to give you an idea of what it is like:

After the incredible and inspiring result of Comparison between Roman and Han Empires, and all the work you put into it, would you be interested in being interviewed?

I could e-mail you the questions, or we could make a special page on wiki for the questions. Ikip 23:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Teeninvestor/Comparison between Roman and Han Empires/Draft

It seems that the history of the page is split in two places, that above (which you've just changed to a redirect) and Wikipedia:Article Incubator:Comparison between Roman and Han Empires. I'd recommend asking an admin to merge the page histories. That way, when the article is eventually moved back into main space the history shouldn't be too jumbled. I'd do it myself, but I've not merged page histories before and now isn't the time to start experimenting. Nev1 (talk) 16:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Teen, you could do this yourself. Ikip 19:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
History merges require admin tools (unless by "do this yourself", you mean ask rather than perform the history merge). Nev1 (talk) 20:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I deliberately did not move the article history because the point was to start a new article from scratch. Unfortunately, some people decided to ignore the suggestion and start from an already tainted position. Spartaz Humbug! 20:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Ikip 19:02, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interview

Here are the first initial questions:

I am trying to find a veteran editor too interview also, so there maybe two interviews in this newsletter.

There will be follow up questions and more controversial (interesting) questions soon.

Ikip 20:50, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you don't mind my editing on the interview. I shortened, clarified, and removed words like "deletionist" etc. which may make the project look bad to the larger audience who will read it. I really like what you wrote. I would like to shorten it even more, but all of it is so good, I don't know what else to compress. :) Let me know what you think. Ikip 05:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi again Teen, just to inform you, someone has re-introduced deleted material into the article in the header section; you may wish to check this out because I know you'd removed it during the recent review. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 15:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Teeinvestor,
I'm here to ask for more information on the stirrup. You sourced Griffith when you claimed that the stirrup was invented during the Warring States and revolutionized warfare. However, according to my sources the stirrup was only invented during the Eastern Han, and that was still just something you use to get onto a horse, not something you use to ride it. Thus I don't believe that it's important enough to start a "military revolution". However, the stirrup during the Age of Fragmentation is similar to modern stirrups, and some say that this helped introduce heavy cavalry into China. Of course, I don't know what Griffith actually said so some info on this would be welcome.
I would also like to point out how the article paints the Qing dynasty as a dynasty that had no military advancements whatsoever, and the Ming is this progressive dynasty that was bound to be technologically savvy. Although true to a degree, I would like to point out that the exact same condition is true for late Ming as well. For most sources, should the Ming have continued, it would only mirror the fate of the Qing dynasty. I would like to point out this source. http://www.oslo2000.uio.no/program/papers/m1b/m1b-dicosmo.pdf

It shows how the Qing tried to improve gunpowder weapons as well, though it inevitably lagged behind.

Last but not least, I question the validity of the "Equipment Section", as it generalizes the Chinese army into one similar to those of the Song dynasty. However, each dynasty (or even periods within dynasties) can contain vastly different armies that simply cannot be generalized as such. For example, the "cavalry" section certainly isn't true for the Han dynasty while the Infantry section isn't true for the Warring States. In fact, the part about having weapons that could "cut through" any other weapon simply isn't technologically possible for any dynasty. The only weapon that fits the definition would be lightsabers. Any weapon, no matter how sharp or sturdy, usually cannot just "cut through" any weapon of worth.

Gnip (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yet the sentence right after the quote you gave said the entire thing was "speculative". Anyway, my intention isn't to erase the fact that gunpowder technology lagged during the Qing. I just want to note that the trend already started to happen during the late Ming. I'm hoping to flesh out the article a little bit. The article seems to make some sweeping generalizations on the Equipments section. In the future I'm hoping to resolve this by putting the army makeup into the dynastic sections instead. There are also some places where there are examples labeled without sources or used suspiciously (for example, I doubt the Sun Tzu's Art of War would talk about the Tang dynasty), in which I hope you could help me with (considering the Li/Zheng source is in Chinese while it's hard for me to improve a statement that never stated its source). In the future I'm planning to add sources from Osprey, Cosmo, Needham, and Liang Jie Ming's siege weapon sight. Gnip ([User talk:Gnip|talk]]) 4:12, 13 January 2010

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Somehow the fact that Tenmei was banned and now needs a mentor does not surprise me. I've never met anyone who could rant so incessantly about the same topic for hours on end. He could write a book with all the space he used! Lol.

As for Comparisons between Rome and Han, I like the current suggestion that the article should be about the modern academic study of the comparison between these two civilizations. I've made that clear on the incubator talk page. Speaking of Rome and Han, I've recently set my sights on rewriting the article for the Parthian Empire, truly the key player between Han and Rome. You can take a look at the notes I've started to compile at User:PericlesofAthens/Sandbox Parthian Empire. To me it seems very strange that the existing contemporary sources for the subsequent Sassanid Empire are so much richer and abundant than those of the Parthian era. Much of Parthian history has been preserved via external sources, such as through Greek (i.e. Seleucid), Roman (including Greek Romans), and Chinese historians (mostly Sima Qian's descriptions of the diplomatic exchanges between Han and Parthia). It's a damn good thing the Parthians minted a different coin for each king (complete with a raised, Greek-style bust), otherwise the chronological succession of each ruler would be hazy at best.

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Hi

Hi, been long time since last time talking to you, how is your study? Please have a look at this, might be interesting:

http://club.kdnet.net/newbbs/dispbbs.asp?boardid=1&star=9&replyid=5817667&id=3002628&skin=0&page=1

文章提交者：monachus 加帖在 猫眼看人 【凯迪网络】 http://www.kdnet.net

汉语的缺陷 及给中国文化的影响早有定论，为民族自尊的原因而只在学术界小范围内讨论。


1 语言，语法不精确，导致 不能建 立有清晰内涵和外延界定的抽象概念。 而概念的缺乏直接干扰中国文化逻辑学的产生。自然也就没有逻辑思维了。

2 象形文字没有进一步转为字母化的符号体系。缺乏丰富的符号体系来表征抽象概念，符号工具的缺乏使得中国古代数学家已经非常接近微积分，而最终无法创造微积 分的原因， 符号对概念的抽象替代-“算符”。也是现代量子力学的基石。

3 长期接触图像化的象形文字，使中国人的大脑长于形象思维， 弱于抽象思维。长于艺术，文学，人际关系，弱于自然科学，法律。

文章提交者：monachus 加帖在 猫眼看人 【凯迪网络】 http://www.kdnet.net

符号不仅可以代表概念，还可以代表概念之间由逻辑关系而形成的一个相对固定的结合体，量子力学中的算符就起这种功能

丰富的符号体系造就现 代科学。

象形文字的汉字让中国人无法形成符号体系。

另外， 音形不联系的汉字难学难记， 没有三年艰苦的学习难以读书看报，中国的文盲数量比例非常高。

而表音体系能说即能读， 儿童可以更早的接触文字信息，智力开发也更早。

汉 字难学 ，使得儿童接触同样数量的文字信息比表音文字教育体系下的儿童有1-2年的迟滞，而这1-2年的迟滞对智力发育带来的危害非常大。 Arilang talk 06:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about this:

http://wikilivres.info/wiki/%E6%9D%A8%E6%8C%AF%E5%AE%81%E6%8C%87%E7%82%B9%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%A0%E7%BB%9F%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96%EF%BC%9A%E4%B8%AD%E5%8C%BB%E5%92%8C%E3%80%8A%E6%98%93%E7%BB%8F%E3%80%8B%E7%BB%93%E5%90%88%E6%B2%A1%E6%9C%89%E5%89%8D%E9%80%94

归纳与推演都是近代科学中不可缺少的思维方法。为说明此点让我们看一下Maxwell（1831-1879）创建Maxwell方程的历史。Maxwell是十九世纪最伟大的物理学家，他在十九世纪中叶写了3篇论文，奠定了电磁波的准确结构，从而改变了人类的历史。二十世纪所发展出来的无线电、电视、网络通讯等等，统统都基于Maxwell方程式。Maxwell's equations

  • 第一，《易经》影响了中华文化中的思维方式，而这个影响是近代科学没有在中国萌芽的重要原因之一，这也是我之所以对于《易经》发生兴趣的原因。
  • 第二，《易经》是汉语成为单音语言的原因之一。
  • 第三，《易经》影响了中华文化的审美观念。

Well, without ABC and 12345, there is no way the Chinese could ever develope the all important equations. Same as the Newton's law, and the E=MC(square) Arilang talk 20:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi, it's been a long time since we've met at the debate over the Ming and Qing dynasties last year. I see that you're the creator of Qin's wars of unification and I've expanded the article over the past few days by adding translated information from Chinese sources. Please take a look and see if you've any ideas on how to promote it to A-Class or GA status. Your help would be appreciated. Thanks. _LDS (talk) 08:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. _LDS (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Please have a look Chinese Characters and the Greek Alphabet Eric A. Havelock Vassar College may be this really is the reason why Chinese is so backward on science? Arilang talk 08:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about this

http://literaturesotherlanguages.blogspot.com/2010/01/prejudice-against-pidgin.html

"Going even further with respect to the situation in northern China, Hashimoto Mantaro theorized that during the Qing (Manchu) dynasty (1644-1911), the language of the capital was not Chinese but rather a pidgin made up of Manchu and Chinese elements, as well as a few elements from Mongolian and other minor languages. Furthermore, he suggested that modern Beijing dialect was a descendant of that pidgin. Though this theory is impressionistically persuasive, the major obstacle in accepting it is the lack of solid empirical evidence.

Teen, if the above theory holds, that mean the nowadays Mandarin is in fact part Manchu part Chinese, that could only means, culturally speaking, as long as we are speaking Mandarin, we are part of Manchu! Isn't it a bit frightening? Arilang talk 22:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The sound of ancient Chinese

李白 月下獨酌 中古漢語朗讀 Arilang talk 22:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Please have a look and give some comments:User:Arilang1234/Comparison between written English and written Chinese Draft Arilang talk 06:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comparative studies of the Roman and Han empires

Please stop trying to include the external link to your own pamphlet and try to respect the ongoing discussion/vote. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell us if you have an understanding disability with regards to the proper demeanour while a discussion/vote is still underway. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
GPM, that external link was valid, as it showed your lack of understanding on what Wikiversity stands for; it was conducive to the discussion and not completely malicious. The only other link added to the Wikiversty page was added by DreamFocus, who initiated the discussion. [1] Anyways, I came to your talk page, Teeninvestor, to remind you to keep your talk page messages neutral, to avoid violations of WP:CANVASS. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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