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Plant rights

Way to be a typical self-righteous wiki contributor, who doesn't even notice retarded mistakes in an article when editing out the vandalism. Is contributing to the world's knowledge by having ladyballs and no life working out well for you? Oh, and have you noticed that even on talk pages, your style of writing is insipid and uninspired? I mean there's a lack of flair and then there's too much time spent being neutral, and I'd guess you never exactly had much flair in the first place. Anyway have fun editing the biggest repository of knowledge for high-school students and people who are going to fail their degrees. Your work is very important, do not leave your basement, et cetera, et cetera. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.235.165 (talk) 08:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

It is a very interesting topic. I was thinking of doing some work in this article. Since you are interested in various topics including minority movements or view, you might be interested in developing this article. If you start working on it, I can join to improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SupernovaExplosion (talk • contribs)

Very interesting, I hadn't seen that article before--I'll take a look, but it sounds like the type of thing that I'd be interested in. I recall hearing about a bill in Switzerland or somewhere a few years back that would have recognized "the dignity of plants" or something similar, can't quite place it now. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:28, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

In Google Search, this article in RationalWiki comes first. It has lot of information, including the Switzerland bill. There is even an Universal Declarations of Plant Rights! --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 02:38, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a pretty funny site sometimes. I'll have to start reading up on this soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Dynasphere

Hi Mark. I just posted the above (it pre-existed, but as a one sentence stub) and will be going to DYK. Would you mind taking a quick look for anything glaring?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:39, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that looks pretty cool. Sure, I'll try to go over it later today. Mark Arsten (talk) 12:11, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Mark. I don't know why but I never remember to use the convert template.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot to do so myself on a regular basis. The article looks pretty good though, not too much I could do. I wish it had caught on... it looks pretty fun. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sacrifice (2008)‎

I saw a TV program that said this wrestling is fantastically popular worldwide and especially in the UK. I wonder why there's no interest on WP. I've worked the article over a little more. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

That is a very good question. There's a stereotype that only rednecks and so on like wrestling, (i.e. W.T.F.) but I don't really buy that--I had an accounting professor back in college who watched it religiously. I hear so much talk about how Wikipedia is 99% (or whatever) male and how "male topics" get so much coverage, but then I see the lack of quality articles on things like wrestling and pornography and I really wonder how true that is. Anyway, thanks for all your help with the article, I'm sure Will really appreciates it as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ahalya/archive2: Ahalya

Thanks for the "in traditional Hinduism" suggestion. Much clearer. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:05, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

No problem, oddly enough, I'm bringing someone to the airport tomorrow for a trip they're taking to India. They were in India the last time Ahalya was at FAC too--quite a coincidence. I'm taking one more read through the article and then I'll comment on the talk page (thus far it looks supportable). Mark Arsten (talk) 18:08, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Have replied to them. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. Is it OK if I strike out the Comments and write Support besides it for clarity? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I can do that. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	You got one before I did, so I award you this. Lucasoutloud (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

• Hey thanks, this is a good encouragement to do more anti-vandal work. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Dan Leno

The article on Dan Leno has been nominated for Featured Article consideration here. Since you participated in the Peer Review of the article, I thought you might like to comment there, and we would welcome your comments, if you have time. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh excellent. I look forward to reading the article again, thanks for the note. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Indonesian Wikipedia

This is disgusting. 9 days on the front page as TFA and it peaked at 300 views? Argh! Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Aww, man, that is too bad--but I bet that those who did read it really appreciated it. I wonder why there are so few views on id.wiki? Mark Arsten (talk) 03:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Lack of socialisation, maybe. As I've mentioned before, it only has 40 editors with more than a hundred edits a month. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Hmm, I would think there would be more, seeing as Indonesia is such a big country. It must be tough getting wikis popular though. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• It's the fact that they prefer instant results... work makes them unwilling to do it. Also, a lot of Indonesians prefer reading the English Wikipedia as it is more complete. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• That's probably a big factor, I see a number of people contributing to en.wiki who aren't terribly skilled in English. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:56, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• Tell me about it... when they're not copy-pasting copyvio text in Indonesian to the English Wikipedia like at Garin Nugroho. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

VHEMT quote removal & guideline query

Hello,

I noticed you [removed my edit] where I added the following:

“ We’re the only species evolved enough to consciously go extinct for the good of all life, or which needs to. ” — VHEMT Website

to the Ideology section of the VHEMT article, citing that it "alls afould of the guidelines at WP:MOSQUOTE". I'm just wondering in what way, specifically, you think it falls afoul of those guidelines.

Thanks!

Sincerely,

-- TyrS  chatties  04:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh hi, thanks for not making fun of the typo in my edit summary :) Under the MOSQUOTE shortcut, if you scroll down to the Block quotations section, it mentions that the {{cquote}} should be avoided in articles. Also, generally speaking, only long quotes are blocked. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Hey,

Thanks for the explanation.

I guess I was putting that quote in there as a pull quote, and therefore that {{cquote}} seemed appropriate to me.

Unfortunately the guideline doesn't really talk about non-poetic/lyrical short quotes.

And is it mainly a formatting-type problem? I mean, do you have any objection to using the quote itself there?

Thanks Mark! -- TyrS  chatties  06:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

That is an interesting quote, do you know if it appears in any of the secondary sources though? Mark Arsten (talk) 12:20, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Not that I know of, but surely one quote from a primary source is ok (particularly when the source is stated right there in the main text), since the 30-odd others are non-primary. It just seems to me like a really good way to sum up VHEMT's ideology, as well as add a bit of visual interest to the page.

-- TyrS  chatties  02:13, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I really try to avoid primary sources as much as I can, the amount we have was a begrudging compromise on my part--but, alas, I do not own the article. The best thing for you to do would be to start a discussion on the talk page of the article, just propose the text you wish to add and why, and then hopefully a few editors will weigh in. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, I actually think that, as a pull-quote, that little sentence was really good, for the reasons I mentioned (i.e. the article needs some visual variety, and that short sentence sums up VHEMT's ideology nicely). There are currently only 4 primary source references amongst 31, which doesn't seem disproportionate to me, and this one has its source right there in the text, so it's even more transparent. I'm really not convinced that it did fall afoul of WP:MOSQUOTE. -- TyrS  chatties  12:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

(I've just started a discussion on the talk page, as you suggested. Thanks Mark. Sincerely -- TyrS  chatties  13:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC) )

Alright, thanks for opening a section on that. I'll try to weigh in when I get a chance. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 13:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Congrats on Hensley FA

I was going to wake bright and early to check Tuesday night's promotions, then give YOU the news. But you beat me to it. Thanks and congratulations! • Astynax ^talk 18:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

lol, thanks, hopefully you can sleep in tomorrow :) Mark Arsten (talk) 18:22, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Good job and congrats! Allens (talk | contribs) 14:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, it felt great to finally get that promoted. Thanks for all your help at PR and the first FAC, you really did a lot. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Quite welcome... Allens (talk | contribs) 15:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

re advice

I answered on my talk page. The more I think about it, I am driven to conclude that biographies are best when they are character driven, and the "views" would spring from the character (if that makes sense)! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Alarbus

Seems he was a sockpuppet... interesting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh whom? He certainly had a lot of knowledge, it will be a shame to lose that. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, it looks like he was User:Jack Merridew? Interesting, I think Jack was active before my time, but I recall seeing some threads about him and trying to figure out what the big deal was. He was from your neck of the woods, wasn't he? Well, whatever his misdeeds were, I will always be thankful that he put me on the right path, for it was he that introduced me to the truth of {{sfn}} & efn, and convinced me to forsake my previous ways. Much like that radio host I just read about who threw away all of his porno after visiting Mecca. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

• According to the category on his user page, Jack Merridew (here too). It's a shame, Jack and his puppets seem to enjoy helping other editors and then... well, he calls attention to himself being a puppet (using this account, this time). Example: this, this, and this. Odd. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, not that I support socking, but it's nice that he socks to help people, rather than socking to disrupt things, at least. I'll go listen to Free Bird once in his honor. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

• Agree Alarbus was very helpful. He clarified to me the sfn stuff and I was planning to ask him more questions. I think he was an asset and I'm sorry to see him go. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

• Agreed. :-( Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

• Alarbus "retired" but I don't think he's blocked. Is he? Nothing shows that he is that I can see. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
• Nevermind. He was just now blocked.[1] MathewTownsend (talk) 17:07, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

• Huh, that is odd. I wonder if they saw your note? Anything having to do with SPI et al dreadfully confuses me, might as well be magic. But perhaps we haven't seen the last of him...
• BTW, Rosenberg is at FAC now, I recalled the other day that that article is where we first ran into each other. At first I thought you were going to give me a real hard time about it and almost withdrew the article--glad I didn't! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Categories

Are you any good with categories? I can't for the life of me figure out how to classify Fiksimini Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:05, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that is a tricky one to categorize. I added indonesian literature since it somewhat relates to that (and removed a red linked category), it's tough since it's twitter based and all. P.S. facepalm! Mark Arsten (talk) 14:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

• Facepalm? There's a template for that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:56, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I added a category to Fiksimini. How about that! MathewTownsend (talk) 23:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

• Ah, that's what I needed! I had put "internet communities" Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

• By the way, crazy Europeans eh? Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
  • lol, Europeans say that darndest things. The Orgone "cult of sex and anarchy" sounds particularly interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
    • But a lot of research to get that up to FA. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Oh yes. From Wilhelm Reich's article: "He began to violate some of the key taboos of psychoanalysis, developing body psychotherapy, using touch during sessions, and treating patients in their underwear to improve their "orgastic potency." Huh, I wonder why that didn't catch on. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
      • Actually, apparently there are still practitioners of "body psychotherapy" i.e. [2], I wonder, who pays whom in that situation? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:32, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
        • The top? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
          • lol, yeah, I guess that's as good a way to decide as any. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:32, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

• Well, today is April Fools here (already) and I was considering transcluding this onto this template. Not gonna risk a block though, no matter how funny it would be. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh man, that would be awesome. Hey, it is now April Fools' on Wikipedia time. I'm going to go check out the main page. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Now I know you're a bad influence, LOL. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
      • EPIC WIN Mark Arsten (talk) 00:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
        • Shameless advertising, but check out this one. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
          • Yeah, I saw that, that's probably the funniest one up right now. I had trouble reading it since I kept laughing. Mark Arsten (talk)
            • Well, I think the red hot penises are funny. BTW, the prank lasted 14 minutes. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:32, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
      • WOW, despite being from the anus of Asia I was not aware there were anal people near me!!!!!! --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:03, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
        • Yes, I fear the anal people may someday rise up and conquer us all. Funny, I didn't realize you were Indian, I thought you were Australian for some reason. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
          • • You can see I'm from India if you check my userpage and click the link to my flickr profile. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
          • I thought the Anus was in Papua... Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:11, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
            • See map. BTW, Indians love anus! --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
              • Hmm, so that has unfortunate implications for Sri Lanka then... Mark Arsten (talk) 01:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
                • :D --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
                  • So would that make Nagpur the sphincter? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
                    • May be. BTW, I created a funny article about animal prostitutes, unfortunately it seems like it will be featured as an unfunny damn serious hook some days later. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:43, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

That's a pretty good article about animal prostitutes, what was going to be your April Fools hook? BTW, be careful, April Fools day is like playing with a loaded gun. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, that was hilarious! --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• • Something about prostitutes roaming Antarctica trading stones for sex with penguins. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, cute looking prostitutes. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:54, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Prostitutes roaming Antarctica, very interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Twas The Blade of the Northern Lights (1) Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Hope you like the last section of DYK... Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:08, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes! That's very zen, or gnostic, or something. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:15, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Or something, eh? Shortest DYK hook ever... 0 characters per current rules. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, The Elements of Style famously instructed writers to "Omit needless words"--so I think Dr. Strunk would approve. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
        • I approve, LOL. I approve of this too. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:28, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

resource request

Hi Mark,

I've uploaded the four articles you requested on Dr. William Sadler at the resource exchange. You can find links to the articles on that page. Best, GabrielF (talk) 03:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Depressing plot summaries

Well, since you had so much fun with Belenggu I'm sure you'll love Jamila dan Sang Presiden. Speaking of depressing, no edit warring on anal people but poor Maria Ulfah Santoso managed to get fully protected for about five minutes. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh man, why is it always the IPs causing trouble... but that article sounds interesting, prostitution and murder. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:31, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

• Mhm. Although I agree with Tempo, the plot leaves several questions unanswered Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:46, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

not a coincidence

Rosenberg returned to San Francisco in June and the 1887 Constitution of the Kingdom of Hawaii came into being in June. Course, there's probably no sources for that! It a appears lots was going on in Hawaii at the time. There's got to be more info about Rosenberg somewhere! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there were a lot of reasons for the constitution (U.S. hegemony, yada yada yada), but the fact that the King was drafting fresh off the boat fortune tellers as advisers couldn't have helped his cause much! This source and this source both mention the constitution, but there's really know way to know for sure why he left, his health certainly wasn't great, the statute of limitations many have run out in San Fran, etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I've decided the constitution etc. is irrelevant. It seems that both the King and Rosenberg enjoyed being together, and when the King lost power through the changing constitution, then no more fun for Rosenberg. There's probably a back story, but we'll never know it. MathewTownsend (talk) 19:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

You know, I think you're probably correct. What do you think we should do with the mentions of the constitution in the article? Mark Arsten (talk) 19:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Just mention it, as Rosenberg's leaving was probably prompted by the king losing power and not getting his way any more. But that's it. MathewTownsend (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, how's this look? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:20, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

ok, vague enough, as who knows? MathewTownsend (talk) 20:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks for all your help on this, hopefully the other reviewers will approve, as well. BTW, have you ever considered nominating something for FAC? I bet you'd do a great job with that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

To me, the lede is all that lis left of Brianbolton's criticisms. It's hard to pick out the salient points without misrepresenting. I think it's as good as it's going to get. You should se the work I put into (the now renamed) Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders - I completely burned out on the GA review plus subsequent request, until I'm still a babbling idiot from the experience. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:59, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

lol, yeah, there's only so much mental energy you can have. Thanks for your help and appraisal, I'll probably ping Brian again soon. Sometimes I like to do something near-mindless like huggling--you come across some real funny stuff that way too. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't you have to download some stuff for huggling? Does it require IE? (I'm a Firefox man.) MathewTownsend (talk) 00:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

It does require a download, but doesn't require a specific browser. It's kinda fun--it feels good to revert vandalism. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Attention talk page stalkers -- yes, that means you

I could use some help copyediting and polishing William T. Anderson‎, it's fairly long (by my standards) so it's time consuming for me to take multiple passes at it. Feel free to just do a section or something. Thanks! Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

ok, but it's past by bedtime now. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:10, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

lol, yes, you usually aren't editing this late. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• I would, but I just went through Rosenberg Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, I guess you have an excuse then :) Mark Arsten (talk) 13:40, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
    • And a shorter article to look at >:-D Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
      • I hope I'm wrong on images... you may have to lose them :-/ Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:16, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
        • I was wrong :-) Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
          • By the way, shame #4 isn't notable. That would be a heck of a DYK. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
            • That is a pretty wild story, but just think--what did all that meth do to his teeth? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:FAC image review?

Was just coming around to do it, but it looks like everything is in order now; as Crisco's started, it seems best to let him finish. Perhaps an explanation on the image page, in addition to the tag, would be worthwhile. J Milburn (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Alright, will do--thanks anyway. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

citations and notes

I think Wehwalt uses the same system of citations/notes as you do on Rosenberg. (e.g. William McKinley) The lately lamented Arabus was an expert on those things. There's a bunch of templates that explain them e.g. Template:Sfnp, Template:Sfn. And you can ask questions on the talk pages. MathewTownsend (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

That's right, I recall seeing that when I reviewed McKinley. It doesn't look like I'm going to get an oppose for them, unless I get a real surprise soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with the images. What's holding the thing up? MathewTownsend (talk) 20:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it has everything it needs for promotion at this point, it hasn't gotten a source review from Nikkimaria, but she missed my last one and that still got promoted. In any case, I think the delegates are trying to leave FACs open for at least 10 days or something. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

lol, I guess not :) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Smile!

A smile for you You’ve just received a random act of kindness! 66.87.7.36 (talk) 20:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, I'm very glad to have received this highly selective honor. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Rosey

Congrats! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, That was an action packed 164 hours. Thanks for all your help straightening things out there. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• So what's a month and a half in hours, eh? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oh my, I wonder why that one is taking so long. Want me to create some sockpuppets to support it? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• I was wondering what the "just kidding" in your edit summary meant, LOL. Brian has given me some more feedback on my talk page, so somewhat okay. Mind you, after this I'll probably give 1740 Batavia massacre another go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• Glad to hear it, hopefully that one will be quick and easy. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

On Elias Abraham Rosenberg - promoted! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you called it just a few hours before the promotion--pretty impressive. Thanks for all your help ironing out the tricky parts there. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

William T. Anderson may be more of a challenge. May I ask what led you to take on this article? What about Bloody Knife? MathewTownsend (talk) 01:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I hadn't heard of Bloody Knife. Actually what motivated me to work on Anderson's article was the picture of him, one of the most intense glares I've ever seen--much like the famous Che Guevara picture. Then I saw there were only two biographies of him, so I thought it would be easy to research and write (boy was I wrong about that). In any case, I'm nearing GA quality with it, but there's still a lot to do. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Elias Abraham Rosenberg

		Four Award
		Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on Elias Abraham Rosenberg. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• Cool, I wondered if I'd get one of these since it was a redirect when I got to it, good deal. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Chrisye

Well, I think the article is getting there. Two leaning towards support. BTW, I've replied at the Atheis review. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, looks like I won't have to tap into the sockfarm after all. I'll save that for Rfa. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:34, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• LOL Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I better finish the review before some zealous admin indeffs me! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Agreed :-P BTW, I'll start on A. Teeuw now I think Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:32, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oh, that should be interesting. BTW, is there an Indonesian equivalent to the Sacred Cod? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• No, they (pretend, mostly) to take religion and the word "sacred" seriously over here. So you can't say Holy Mackerel in Massachusetts, it must be Sacred Cod? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:38, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, actually, there is a Holy Mackerel in the state senate--the sacred cod is at the state house. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:40, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Facepalm and the Holy Cow is in Wisconsin... Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

• Argh, annoying when you know someone passes WP:ACADEMIC but finding biographical resources is nigh impossible. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:22, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • That is too bad, it sure is hard finding sources on academics sometimes. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Time to do a bit here, a bit there (i.e. many sources, short article... like Zaskia Sungkar) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:45, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
      • Yeah, it's too bad when you have a lot of sources but not a lot of article. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
        • Good enough for now. If I wikilinked every appearance of his name on Wikipedia, there'd be close to 50 backlinks. No thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
          • Hey, that's not bad for an article on an academic. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:54, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
            • Pales in comparison to George McTurnan Kahin though :-( Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:04, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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William S. Sadler

Something remains unexplained about this guy. I listen to this radio station at night that's all about extraterrestrials, etc., although they've never mentioned this guy. Maybe he was before his time? But then you have Freud mixed up in there. And the Kelloggs. Weird. MathewTownsend (talk) 20:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on the article, I'm planning on FACing it sooner or later, but I think I need a break from that page for now. I definitely welcome comments about him--what do you think the article is missing? He certainly did run into some very well-known people, kind of a forest gump thing. BTW, did you know that Stevie Ray Vaughan was sort of a follower of Urantia for a while? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

well, I should phone into that night time talk show and get his name on the radar. Really, there seems to me a tendency these days toward Sadler's type of thinking. Yeah, he's definitely one of those remarkable people, like Samuel Colt and others; you wonder where they get the energy and the versatility - the sheer ability to promotion. (There's a string of them whose names I can't remember right now!) MathewTownsend (talk) 20:45, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

What's next in your line for FAC? MathewTownsend (talk) 20:56, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Sadler will probably be the next article I nominate, and likely William T. Anderson after him. I'm thinking I might start working on more racism-related articles in the future. Agreed about Sadler, I wish I had a fraction of the energy that he must have had. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Anderson

Separated at birth?

Tiberius, eh?

Red pill or green pill? Purple pill says you have one week Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

One week, I should be able to manage that. The picture of him after he died is still around, it's kinda odd, he looks strangely happy in it: [3]. One advantage I have on this article is that I have two pretty thorough books about him, so it's easy to answer questions--basically the opposite of Rosenberg (Although, they potentially could have met). Mark Arsten (talk) 04:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, the image is PD now... *hint* Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I had meant to do that the other day, but got wrapped up in semi-colons or something like that. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:21, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

• Isn't that how it always is on Wikipedia... Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

File:William T Anderson death.jpg

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

• I lol'd thoroughly :) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:24, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Hehe shame we ran out of pictures (the rest of our pictures of Shatner are of the "well-seasoned" variety). Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, keep that priceline crap off my page :) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I seem to have hit a raw nerve. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Hehehehe.... Check the WMF blog on Monday morning. There'll be a special surprise for you two :D Accedie^{talk to me} 02:00, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oooh, I can't wait, so mysterious... Mark Arsten (talk) 02:02, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Shatner will be WMF's spokesperson? Awesome. So. Free. Knowledge. Go. Where. No. Man. Has. Gone. Before. :p Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Stranger things have happened, oh wait, no, they haven't. P.S. is there anything else you need from me on the GA review? P.P.S. If there is, we should wait a few hours before editing the article, to avoid ECs. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:48, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• Well, I think I answered your question... Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:59, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

• You know what's absolutely terrible? Google Ayu Azhari and see what her first five hits are... doubt she feels happy when she Googles herself. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that really is too bad. Reminds me a bit of the Mimi Macpherson business. Oddly enough, Wikipedia is the first google hit for my name. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:11, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Hmm... Facebook is first for mine :-p. Azhari is notable enough as she received a Citra Award (essentially the Indonesian Oscar). I hope the article couldn't be deleted willy-nilly. As a side note, there's a lot of celebrity junk which I left out. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, you did a good deed, providing a better google hit for people who search for her. BTW, I see on id.wiki there's a picture of her in a headscarf, did she have a religious awakening after her acting days? Mark Arsten (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
        • She's still acting (note the filmography on ID wiki). Good sources were hard to find, so I didn't include the filmography. The headscarf is not necessarily a sign of religiousness, as evidenced by the fact that some people have a fetish for it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

          • and read Snow (novel) re headscarves. Jack Merridew 21:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

          • Oh yes, that's right. I read that book a few years back, fascinating novel. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

          • You should check the Rp conversion in her article. Jack Merridew 19:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
            • Thanks Jack, I hate all these zeroes. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
          • lol, rule 34 strikes again :) Mark Arsten (talk) 20:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
            • Indeed. There's a DYK for a film showing robot sex coming up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

U like? :D Accedie^{talk to me} 17:04, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey that's great. Interesting post too. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

• Indeed. I don't see why they used a FU image when we have two free ones. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Rigby & Peller

Nice article! JoeSperrazza (talk) 23:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I was pretty surprised we didn't have an article on them yet. One would think all lingerie companies would have articles by now, with all the lonely young men editing Wikipedia. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

• Bring it to DYK! After making it longer, of course Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, that shouldn't be too hard--maybe add some fair use pictures of the royal family in their knickers... Mark Arsten (talk) 00:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• This has been a very odd night, I did my taxes, then uploaded pictures of a mutilated corpse, then wrote about the Queen's panties. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:49, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• This is odder. Would you believe 9.7 GB for all text in the English Wikipedia articles? Who would download that? BTW, Chrisye has almost passed :D Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:47, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, will you bring R&P to DYK? Inquiring minds want to know who makes the Queen's knickers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I think I will, I have a few days though, right? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• True, five days from creation... Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	The description on the first edit of Rigby & Peller made me laugh, especially since I was indeed patrolling new pages. Excellent work! Oxguy3 tc 01:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oh good, New Page patrolling can be an arduous task, so I figured I'd try to lighten things up a bit. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

A Beer for You

	Thanks for the Review
	Hi Mark, thanks for the review at the recent FA nomination for Chrisye. Your prose edits helped tremendously, and the humour you showed when the review stalled helped me man up. In thanks, I'd like to give you a local brew: Bintang Beer... for the third time! Geez, soon you'll have drunk more of the stuff than me. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• It finally got promoted, hooray! The first FA is always the hardest, or so I hear. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

• As opposed to two in one week? :-p Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, see, after your first one you can get them promoted as quickly as you want--part of the FAC cabal rules. (shh) I'm combing through more pictures of Jesse Washington's burnt body at the moment, I have to keep minimizing the window when anyone walks by--I'm worried they'll think I'm looking at porn... Mark Arsten (talk) 01:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• I'd much rather they think I'm looking at porn than a lynching... except at work. I work at an elementary school, so neither is a good choice. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, I guess it would depend where I was, the person that kept walking by would be more tolerant of me investigating lynchings than looking at porn, although people have been quite baffled when I tell them what I'm working on lately. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• An Asian user, or a user in Asia? Hmm... Oh well, somehow Supernova Explosion felt the earthquake and I didn't ... and he's in India! Maybe I'm dead to the earth shaking. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• It is surprising you did not feel the quake sitting in Indonesia! --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Without looking at a map, you could actually be closer... theoretically. It was pretty far from Sumatra, after all. Not sure which part of India you're in anyways. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Kolkata. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 02:01, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• K, looking at this really poor map we are roughly the same distance from the epicentre. Perhaps one of us is about 100km closer Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• These two maps (the first is the epicenter location, the second Yogyakarta) show Yogyakarta is nearer the epicenter. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 02:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• I guess that means I'm just dead to earthquakes. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• I guess I was using "Asian" a bit loosely, besides, where I live it's uncommon to refer to Indians as "Asians" for some reason. That is fascinating about the earthquake, I kept meaning to ask people on Wikipedia about it, but of course kept forgetting. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, back home "Asians" generally means East Asians, while South Asians is for people from India, Bangladesh, etc. I've heard that in England Asians means people from India though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• I always thought in the West, "Asian" refers to Japanese and Koreans. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 02:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• My Bengali friends back in high school said Asian referred to South Asians in England, perhaps because of the colonial period. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
• In my observation, Americans refer to anyone with the epicanthic fold as "Asian". Anyone from south Asia is referred to as "Indian" (much to the irritation of Pakistani and Sri Lankan immigrants). Mark Arsten (talk) 02:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, that term is common in Windsor as well... just didn't want to offend anyone. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• So growing up in Windsor, could you hear all the gunshots in Detroit? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

• Only every night when I turned on the TV. Mind you, we were never too pleased to pass Eight Mile when my mother decided to get groceries in the US when the Canadian dollar was at par. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Jesse Washington photos

If you upload these photos to Commons, it will be a great collection in one place. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:48, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I really should have uploaded them to commons instead of locally--kind of a dumb move there. Oh well, I guess there is a process for transferring them. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Anti-lynching movement

Just started this page. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 02:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe we didn't have that before--that could turn into a pretty large article! The books by Berg and Wood that I used in Jesse Washington might be pretty helpful if you can get previews of them. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:51, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Sacred Cod Peer Review

Hi Mark, Thank you for reviewing Sacred Cod of Massachusetts (review page here) and I have responded to and/or fixed every comment you had. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind combing back through it quickly to see if there are any blatant problems you see before I nominate it at GA. Thank you for your review as it was a giant help. --Found5dollar (talk) 20:31, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Alright good to hear. I'll try to take another read through soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

re William T. Anderson

Why can't I get interested in him? What's the hook? MathewTownsend (talk) 00:45, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

For me, the hook was the picture. And psychopaths fascinate me in general. I left out some of the gory details about the torture, do you think I should add some of that in? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks like somebody cared about the pagespace. I'm not known as much of a reviewer, but I'm glad to help here. Thanks for asking. BusterD (talk) 01:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

That's great to hear, this is a new subject for me, so I probably messed up a lot :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

yeah, some gory details would interest me. Just plain old psychopaths need something more to get my attention, some sort of weird angle.

"Although Union supporters viewed him as incorrigibly evil, Confederate sympathizers regarded him as a hero, possibly owing to their mistreatment by Union forces." - why wouldn't Confederates regard him as a hero, as he was on their side? Just wondering. Isn't that the way war is? MathewTownsend (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, good point, that sentence does need more work. What I meant to communicate was that Confederate civilians viewed his depredations as justifiable because they had been treated similarly by the other side. While some of what he did seems like war crimes now, things had progressed to the point in Missouri where that was seen as almost normal. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Could you check something for me?

Could you check the source for this image for me? I need to verify the image is by a US military personnel for a GA review, but I'm getting a 404 error. The nominator says it works for him. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm getting a 404 too, so it's not just you. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I can access [4] though, mystery solved. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

• Perfect, thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

A Free Ride

I have send you an email. To get the PdF files, please reply to the email. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 00:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Done, BTW, did you know this fact about me? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Why did he get after you? Because you reverted his vandalism? --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

It was this edit that bugged him, funny thing is, I don't even like that team. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I've added the harverror script to User:SupernovaExplosion/common.js. But how does it work? --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

It will give you a big red error message if the refs aren't linked right, look at the references in this reversion. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Great. And I have send you the articles. --SupernovaExplosion ^Talk 01:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Got them, will try to read through them soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Lecen, again

Hi, Mark. I believe you should let the matter die out. Those two are trying desperately to have me blocked, but it's not only because I opposed Cambalachero's FAC. I've been for the last week correcting many wikilinks that range from Francisco Solano López to Paraguayan War. Cambalachero went mad because I changed "Lopez War", "Triple Alliance War", "Paraguay War" and "War of the Triple Alliance" for "Paraguayan War". Instead of sending me a message to discuss with me whatever he disliked, he simply opened a thread at the "Neutral point of view/Noticeboard‎". Did anyone else reverted my wikilink corrections? No one. Not a single soul complained about it, but him. No content enough, he also opened immediately a move request at Cisplatine War and Platine War calling both names "Brazilian POV" (ignoring the basic fact that the names are based on English written books, not Portuguese written books).

He became even more angry when he saw that both move requests were universally rebuked. In his mind, as well as of his friend MarshalN20's, I'm some kind of leader, capable of creating an army of mindless followers who will do anything I want, including voting along with me. They were not abe to understand that people vote against them because their reasons are always the same: "British POV", "Chilean POV", "Brazilian POV", etc... Both editors hang around mostly in two articles: Falklands War and War of the Pacific. They sincerely believe that anyone who doesn't share their views are doing it because they are defending another country's view. I'm not kidding: another country's view. That's why the "British POV", "Chilean POV", "Brazilian POV" stuff.

It doesn't help that they are Hispanic Americans and I am Portuguese American. You see, they still believe we are in the 18th century, and that there is an ongoing rivalry between Portugal and its colony Brazil and Spain and its countless American colonies. The 21th century didn't hit the door yet. See this last edit of MarshalN20, for example.[5] Is there any excuse to place this piece of text as one big quote? If I had done the same, but let's say, saying that Brazil had kicked Argentina's ass, instead of the contrary, both would be complaining about Brazilian POV.

And lastly, I opposed Cambalachero's FAC (which is the fifth time he nominates it, BTW) because it has serious issues not only with the prose but also with the sources and the information given, as I warned. There are countless books in English about the subject, why he's using solely Spanish written books? Well, that's all. You don't need to reply, I just wanted to explain you what was going on. Cheers, --Lecen (talk) 00:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)