Talk:Sámuel Mikoviny

Slovak? Explain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.191.137.38 (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

Sámuel Mikoviny → Samuel Mikoviny – The most frequent English spelling is without the accent over A in his first name [1] Wladthemlat (talk) 16:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose - we're surely not going to make this the only ASCII-ized Hungarian bio on en.wp simply because some older books don't have full fonts. Modern sources which pass WP:RS "reliable for the statement being made" for Hungarian spelling have the name spelled correctly: Anthropogenic Geomorphology: A Guide to Man-Made Landforms 2010 "In the 18th century, in Selmecbánya (now Banska Štiavnica in Slovakia), a system with a water volume capacity of 7 million m 3 , according to the plans of the innovative engineer and cartographer, Sámuel Mikoviny, ..." or Sal P. Restivo Science, Technology, and Society: An Encyclopedia 2005 p612 "... Sámuel Mikoviny worked at the Stavnica (Selmec) mines. He was the first to make a consistent use of the triangular method and led a number of hydraulic construction projects. In 1849 Hungary declared its independence from Austria." In ictu oculi (talk) 16:57, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

See also archive at Talk:Paul Erdős Paul Erdős being cited as an example in WP:UE. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

• Strong oppose: I think Wladthemlat's argument is very misleading. For instance, English-language newspapers and sites (e. g. BBC, Reuters, Washington Post or something else) frequently use Viktor Orbán's name without the Hungarian accent, but I can say other Hungarian persons. I do not think so that we should move these articles into the variants without accents. --Norden1990 (talk) 18:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
• Comment The arguments above are irrelevant (what has the spelling of Orban's name have to do with this case? If anything, it only documents that the English use does not always follow the native spelling. Which is obvious.)

Cherrypicking sources for preferred spelling is also not relevant. Prevalent English spelling does not mean it is correct, just that it is the prevalent English spelling.

Stating that the only reason is some form of ASCII oppression is blatantly misleading, modern sources use it as well (as documented in the original reasoning), not to mention older sources, which were not dependent on encoding format. And even if it were the case (which is, pardon my French, quite ridiculous to begin with) it would still be the prevalent English spelling. We are not to analyse the reasons behind it.Wladthemlat (talk) 23:13, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Wladthemlat looking at your edit history prior to posting this RM you appear to have immediately prior been involved in an edit war with Hungarian editors, and not your first such edit war. Why not instead of ASCII-izing a Hungarian figure, try your approach on Slovak national hero Juraj Jánošík? What % of English sources mentioning Juraj Jánošík use full fonts and how many use ASCII-type or other restricted font sets. 115x sources with full Slovak fonts vs 270 results in books with ASCII fonts. Based on this how do you explain your selection of a Hungarian bio rather than a Slovak bio? In ictu oculi (talk) 11:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Please, let's stay to the topic, other articles bear no weight on this case (not to mention you are free to request a move there if you can back it up.)Wladthemlat (talk) 11:22, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

@User:In ictu oculi The prohibition against personal attacks applies equally to all Wikipedians. It is as unacceptable to attack a user with a history of foolish or boorish behavior, or one who has been blocked, banned, or otherwise sanctioned, as it is to attack any other user. (WP:NPA). You should focus on arguments, not on persons. What's the problem if User:Wladthemlat did not nominate Juraj Jánošík for moving? It is his right to choose his editing priorities. It would have been a problem if he had contradictory views on different discussions, but it is not the case. 86.126.34.194 (talk) 11:58, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

• Support The use of modified letters (such as accents or other diacritics) in article titles is neither encouraged nor discouraged; when deciding between versions of a word which differ in the use or non-use of modified letters, follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language (including other encyclopedias and reference works). The policy on using common names and on foreign names does not prohibit the use of modified letters, if they are used in the common name as verified by reliable sources. (WP:DIACRITICS). Google Books sources published in the last quarter-century seem to favor the name that does not contain the accent. Personally I would support the name with á (an intro like Sámuel Mikoviny, often spelled Samuel Mikoviny sounds better to me) but apparently the policy suggests us to choose the tile Samuel Mikoviny, so I guess that we should follow the guidelines. 86.126.34.194 (talk) 11:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)