User talk:Scottywong

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IssueTrak - Request for Reconsideration

Hello, Scottywong. You have new messages at User:Buffalo747/sandbox.
Message added 18:37, 17 June 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Hi - I've reworked the IssueTrak page and would value your feedback as you initially deleted the article in 2012. I believe the article meets the requirements for notability and objectivity. Your review, feedback, and ultimate approval of the article would be greatly valued! Thanks, Buffalo747 (talk) 18:44, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Piano rock

The close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piano rock (2nd nomination)‎ is unsatisfactory; please reconsider. Andrew (talk) 08:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason that you find it unsatisfactory? Or is it unsatisfactory simply because it's not the way you wanted it to close? ‑Scottywong| talk _ 14:47, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I have updated the closing statement with a mention of the specific policy that demands the deletion of that article. ‑Scottywong| comment _ 14:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Scotty tools

Hey Scotty, I noticed the other day that scottytools has no ui on labs and the toolserver account has expired. I was wondering if you had any plans on renewing the toolserver or getting things up and running to be able to access your tools on labs? Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 14:49, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't log in to toolserver to renew my account for some reason, and scottytools was not created by me, and is not maintained by me. I ported some of my tools over to labs, and other editors have ported other tools to labs. Not all of the tools have been migrated. Talk to User:Σ about scottytools, I believe he is maintaining it. The other tools that I ported are here and here. ‑Scottywong| express _ 14:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westshore Town Centre‎‎

How are you going to know how the AfD turns out if you close it the way that you did?  Speaking for myself, I closed half a dozen windows regarding this AfD this morning, so I could focus on an AfD that I felt was a higher priority.  Do you really want to talk about this, when you can relist?  Unscintillating (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Relevant related discussions:

• User_talk:Amatulic#WP:Articles for deletion/Downtown Plaza (Hamilton, New Zealand) regarding this editor's similar objection to another article I deleted.
• WP:REFUND#Westshore Town Centre, request for undeletion without first waiting for a reply to the query to you above.

Just FYI. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

If you look at the top of this page you will see that this admin is semi-retired.  If you look at the contributions history, you will see that he is gone for days at a time.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

...and Scottywong was just here yesterday. Scottywong, would you respond? As I explained to Unscintillating at WP:REFUND#Westshore Town Centre, administrators generally do not override the decisions of other administrators, particularly AFD decisions, without discussion on the admin's talk page or DRV. Do you object to restoring the deleted history under the existing redirect? ~Amatulić (talk) 20:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I completely missed this message last time I checked in here. The only thing I'm not clear on is why you want to restore the article history. What's the purpose; what do you plan on doing with it? ‑Scottywong| spill the beans _ 21:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@Unscintillating:, this is a question for you, not me. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:08, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Amatulic, If this is deemed to be a non-controversial refund, my discussion with the closing admin becomes moot.  If it is deemed to be controversial, then I have exhausted a potential remedy, and made a good faith effort in his absence to find a simple solution...and I can wait for a reply upon his return, go to WP:DRV, or consider other alternatives including doing nothing.  This is the answer to your question, as to why I requested the WP:REFUND.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Unscintillating: It is never uncontroversial to unilaterally overturn an AFD decision without discussion. The first thing to be done is talk to the deleting admin, who is active, and not go to other administrators due to a personal perception of what "semi retired" might mean. OK, we're discussing it. Scottywong asked you a direct question: What is the purpose of restoring the history, and what do you plan to do with it? You have not explained that yet, either here or at WP:REFUND. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

As to your question about my "plans", I think you are asking a hypothetical about something that has already been asked and answered.  My "plans" are really more an expectation, one already stated that "my discussion with the closing admin becomes moot".

As to your question about the purposes of restoring a Wikipedia edit history, that sounds like something that could have its own WP: page, but I didn't see anything with a quick search.  It is a part of WP:ATD and WP:Editing policy, where it is used with merger.  A restored edit history means that the edits of content contributors are no longer listed as part of the "deleted edits" count, and non-admins can research the diffs.  Attribution from the edit history is part of our licensing.  Unscintillating (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@Scottywong, At WP:REFUND, Amatulic has stated , "...this page is for requesting uncontroversial restorations only."  Yet after five days he/she has not closed the WP:REFUND request as controversial.  It occurs to me there is another path forward, which is a variation of my initial request.  Please consider reverting your closing and instead relisting the AfD.  Respectfully, Unscintillating (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I haven't heard any reasonable justification for either restoring the edit history or reverting the closing of the AfD. Sorry. ‑Scottywong| speak _ 16:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

• Amatulic has made a decision at WP:REFUND, that being "Not done".  Unscintillating (talk) 04:38, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

AfD for Factlet

Hello, Scottywong. I believe your close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Factlet mischaracterizes the discussion. (Though, of course, you should note my keep !vote in the discussion.) While there are indeed 5 votes citing WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary, they are votes as opposed to !votes; they make no argument or reference to the article, but merely name the policy. One of the five voters, Ad Orientem, later added a comment, while slakr make a substantive argument for "Delete or Merge to Factoid." The nominator, LtPowers, also made a policy-based assertion, that the word is a neologism, though this and LtPowers' later assertion that William Safire coined the word was contested in argument with other commenters.

On the other hand, five participants made substantial arguments either to keep the article or to merge it with Factoid. I discount one additional keep !vote that appears to be based on personal opinion.

Obviously, your judgement of the arguments may differ from mine, but your comment on closing, "No evidence that an article on this topic can ever be more than a dictionary definition," appears to ignore not only the arguments in the discussion but also the article content – including at least three secondary sources discussing the word, and perhaps more that I can't see since the page was deleted – that already expanded the article beyond a definition.

It is my personal opinion that temporary un-deletion and then merger to Factoid is appropriate. Cnilep (talk) 01:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm happy to restore the article to your userspace for the purpose of merging it, if that is acceptable to you. ‑Scottywong| express _ 20:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure, that would be fine. Do you know whether I need to note anything in particular for licensing and attribution if I merge content from the userfied page? Cnilep (talk) 02:31, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Restored to User:Cnilep/Factlet. I don't think you need to worry about anything related to licensing or attribution. ‑Scottywong| comment _ 17:09, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me for butting in, but I restored some of the deleted factlet material to the current factoid article, hopefully helpfully. Wondering if it is okay if I do a redirect page of Factlet => Factoid.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 00:12, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sure. No need to ask for permission to do that. ‑Scottywong| express _ 13:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

AFD close

Hi mate, would you consider relisting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High Commission of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, London rather than closing it? The discussion there highlighted the lack of a merge target, though that has been the common outcome for such articles. I created an article for the sole purpose of being a suitable merge target only hours before you closed it. Your reading of the consensus isn't wrong, I just think even a couple more days would allow that merge option to be considered (now that a suitable target exists). Any chance? St★lwart¹¹¹ 09:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I think the closure was appropriate - it had already been relisted twice - which means that you are free to carry out or suggest any moves, merges, or redirects that may be suitable. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely - the close was entirely appropriate. I'm just not inclined to now unilaterally redirect the article given the no consensus close. My alternative would be to open another AFD or propose a redirect on the article talk page and invite those who participated in the discussion. I don't mind that either but I thought another re-list would be a better alternative for gathering consensus. I'm certainly not proposing to take it to DRV. Kudpung, if you have another alternative again, please feel free to suggest one - certainly open to any other ideas! Cheers, St★lwart¹¹¹ 10:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:RELIST, AfD's shouldn't be relisted more than twice. If I were you, I'd boldly merge the article, and if anyone objects, start a discussion. ‑Scottywong| prattle _ 16:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, okay, bit more bold than I'm usually inclined to be but I'll go for it. Thanks for your guidance. Cheers, St★lwart¹¹¹ 23:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

A table showing the old Toolserver tool and its replacement

I started this table, and was wondering if you'd be so kind as to help fill it in a bit.

Link: Wikipedia:Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver replacements

Name	Toolserver	Wmflabs replacement (or other tool)	Notes
Admin score tool	tools:~snottywong/adminscore.html	toollabs:jackbot/snottywong/adminscore.html toollabs:apersonbot/aadminscore/	For the jackbot version, as the complete counter systematically times out, it only calculates five of 11 criteria.
Admin stats	tools:~vvv/adminstats.php	toollabs:xtools/adminstats/
Blockrange calculator	tools:~chm/blockcalc.php	toollabs:blockcalc/ Alternate tool: Template:Blockcalc	Automatically redirects.
Citegen	tools:~citegen/
CheckUsage	tools:~daniel/WikiSense/CheckUsage.php	toollabs:wikisense/CheckUsage.php	Redirects to an RIP message stating the tool is defunct and will not be recreated.
Dablinks	tools:~dispenser/view/Dablinks	http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/view/Dablinks	Used on Template:DYK tools Toolserver account blocked Aug 27, 2014
Dab solver	tools:~dispenser/view/Dab_solver	http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/view/Dab_solver	Toolserver account blocked Aug 27, 2014
Duplication detector	tools:~dcoetzee/duplicationdetector/	toollabs:dupdet/	Maintainer Dcoetzee was banned from Wikimedia. Tool is still accessible and functional (Dec 12, 2014).
Earwig's Copyvio Detector	tools:~earwig/copyvios	toollabs:copyvios	Automatically redirects.
FIST	tools:~magnus/fist.php	toollabs:fist/fist.php	Automatically redirects.
Flickr2Commons (Bryan's)	tools:~bryan/flickr/upload
Flickr2Commons	tools:~magnus/flickr2commons.php	toollabs:flickr2commons/
Interaction analyzer and Stalker	tools:~snottywong/editorinteract.html tools:~mzmcbride/stalker/	toollabs:sigma/editorinteract.py
Log actions	tools:~dungodung/cgi-bin/recentlogs?	toollabs:rightstool/cgi-bin/recentlogs	From the RfA toolbox
Meta rights log	tools:~dungodung/cgi-bin/rightslogsearch?	toollabs:rightstool/cgi-bin/rightslogsearch	From the RfA toolbox
NAC of AfD's	tools:~snottywong/cgi-bin/afdadminstats.cgi?	https://tools.wmflabs.org/jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/afdadminstats.cgi?	From the RfA toolbox
New page patrol report	tools:~snottywong/cgi-bin/patrolreport.cgi	toollabs:jackbot/snottywong/cgi-bin/patrolreport.cgi
Reflinks	tools:~dispenser/view/Reflinks	http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/view/Reflinks toollabs:refill/index.php Another choice may be Wikipedia:Vada. Seems to do this.	See here for status updates. Toolserver account blocked Aug 27, 2014
Shootme	tools:~magnus/wikishootme/	toollabs:wikishootme//index.html	Automatically redirects.
Show redirects only	tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py/	http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py	Link on Special:WhatLinksHere, redirects to a connection timed out message. Toolserver account blocked Aug 27, 2014
Sortable article history	tools:~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php	toollabs:xtools/articleinfo/	Automatically redirects.
User rights	tools:~dungodung/cgi-bin/userrights?	toollabs:rightstool/cgi-bin/userrights Can be handled by the link at the bottom of the user contribs link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1	From the RfA toolbox
Watcher	tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/watcher.py	http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/view/Watcher The "Page information" link in the sidebar box titled "tools" handles this.	Labs missing required database views Toolserver account blocked Aug 27, 2014
Webchecklinks	tools:~dispenser/view/Checklinks	http://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/view/Checklinks	Used on Template:DYK tools Automatically redirects Toolserver account blocked Aug 27, 2014

Other replacements

A replacement for http://stats.grok.se/ can now be found at https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/.

Notes

If it exists already somewhere, please say and I'll delete it. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Σ might be able to help you with this, if he hasn't already. ‑Scottywong| converse _ 16:34, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about WP:Articles for deletion/Westshore Town Centre

• I don't understand why you closed this AfD as you did.  An hour and a half before your closure, the discussion was deciding between a merge or redirect to Langford, British Columbia, and the policy arguments showed that there was no theoretical possibility of a delete.  Your closure occurred one hour and ten minutes after a delete !vote posted, which if that influenced your close did not allow time for analysis and a reply.  Do you have a problem with relisting?  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 04:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

"...the policy arguements showed that there was no theoretical possibility of a delete." Where do you come up with this stuff? Between this thread and the earlier one you posted on my talk page above, I still haven't heard any reasonable arguments that would compel me to change the way I closed the AfD. If you continue to believe that I did not close it correctly, please take it to WP:DRV to get more opinions. ‑Scottywong| squeal _ 17:02, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

• To your question, the AfD has the statement, "...as per WP:ATD...the topic was not eligible for deletion for non-notability at the time of the nomination.".  Unscintillating (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
• If I have to take this to DRV, it would be helpful if you would explain the consensus that you saw.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
• An issue for DRV is why you closed this as delete when you saw material for a merge.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
• I have another question about your close.  It appears that you are suggesting merge and re-delete (see WP:MAD), which appears to create an attribution problem.  Do you have a comment on this?  Unscintillating (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

@Unscintillating: can you explain why you have such a strong interest in a stub article about a rather ordinary shopping mall? ‑Scottywong| confer _ 17:07, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

To answer your question, I'm not aware that I do or do not have a "strong interest in a stub article about a rather ordinary shopping mall".  IMO, it should be sufficient that there is no policy basis for deletion; while there is a policy basis to retain content contributions, in both WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE, and that we are here to build an encyclopedia.  As for "stub article", I don't have access to the article, and at this point I don't recall that it is or is not a stub.  If you are asking if I have a COI, I don't recall having heard of Langford, much less any shopping centres in Langford.  As for whether or not this topic is "rather ordinary", http://www. allbusiness.com/glossaries/regional-shopping-center/4965203-1.html shows that this topic is a "regional shopping center", and [1] shows that larger centers of this size are roughly somewhere between the top 10% to top 1% of centers.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't see anything at WP:ATD that says, "If the topic of an article is mentioned in another article, then you may not delete the article on that topic." There is no policy that prohibits the deletion of an article based on it being mentioned in another article.

I closed the AfD as "delete" because that is how I gauged the consensus of the discussion. While it's true that there was only one voter who bolded the word delete in their comments, all of the other AfD participants (except you) mentioned that the subject of the article is not notable enough for its own article. As you know, the closing admin is not required to count bolded votes when closing an AfD, he/she is required to gauge the overall consensus of the entire discussion. Since everyone didn't agree on exactly what to do with this article on a non-notable subject (delete it, redirect it, or merge it), I made the executive decision to delete the article; I made it clear that replacing it with a redirect was ok; and I politely offered to restore the article if anyone needed any information from it to merge into another article. I did this because I found it to be more useful and efficient than declaring that there was no consensus just because there wasn't strong agreement on exactly what to do with the article, while there was strong agreement that it isn't notable enough for its own article.

If you are aware of a specific attribution problem as a result of this deletion, please let me know and we can correct the attribution problem. But, please don't try use a non-existent attribution problem as an excuse to overturn the results of an AfD with which you disagree.

It should be clear by now that I am not interested in changing the closure of the AfD. If you would like to debate this further, then please take it to WP:DRV. ‑Scottywong| confer _ 02:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)