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Category:Channel Four

Keep as redirect to Category:Channel 4, otherwise it will just be recreated. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 14:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Closed British Breweries to Category:Defunct brewery companies of the United Kingdom

"Defunct companies" is a wikistandard, as in . It is necessary to include the word "company" because in many perhaps most cases, the company was taken over or got out of brewing to concentrate on other interests, but the brewery was sold on to another company. Carina22 14:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russian Americans

Keep as redirect to Category:Russian-Americans, otherwise it will just be created again and again. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 14:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Liverpool F.C. staff

Rename, The existing name is imprecise. Calsicol 13:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Liverpool F.C. managers

Category:Liverpool F.C. managers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete, Made redundant by Category:Liverpool F.C. staff and Liverpool F.C.#Managers. ArtVandelay13 13:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It is standard for major clubs to have a managers' category. This one has been emptied by the nominator to pre-empt discussion. I would ask him to repopulate it. Calsicol 13:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this was discussed, to some extent, on Wikipedia:Project football. I can't see what purpose a managers' category serves, on its own. ArtVandelay13 13:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have repopulated it myself. "Manager" is a distinct role and there is a very well established and hugely populated hierarchy of categories for managers. Taking Liverpool out of it does not make sense. Calsicol 14:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial images

Category:Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial images (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete, Empty category - This image category's template {{Cc-by-nc}} now redirects to {{db-noncom}}. Keeping the category around is just encouraging someone to use it WP:BEANS. BigDT 13:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anti-Lithuanism

Category:Anti-Lithuanism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete. The term "anti-Lithuanism" is a neologism which has zero Google hits outside Wikipedia, from where the appropriate entry was formerly deleted, if I recall correctly. That the person is "anti-Lithuanin" is an arbitrary criterion and is prone to sunder interpretations. Given my experience of dealing with Lithuanian editors, I anticipate endless revert warring over articles' inclusion to this cat. Does Battle of Vorskla qualify for this category? If not, why Armia Krajowa is there? What is next - Category:Anti-Britanism, Category:Anti-Americanism, Category:Anti-Canadism, Category:Anti-Iraqism, Category:Anti-Japonism?.. Ghirla ^-трёп- 10:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - if there is Anti-Polonism there might be a place also for Anti-Lithuanism. As for AK, there is explanation in the article. Here's citation: "On June 23, 1944, AK troops committed a massacre of Lithuanian civilians, at Dubingiai (Dubinki)<...>The murderers chose victims according the presence of documents: for instance, if the peasants had a Lithuanian prayer-book, they were killed." If this is not Anti-Lithuanism, then what is it?--Lokyz 11:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, IMHO Category:Anti-Polonism and Category:Anti-Semitic people should be deleted as well but two wrongs (three wrongs, IMHO) do not do one right. Putting such labels is an inherently POV. In an article we can say AK commited massacre Dubingiai but they fought together in someplace and the wives of Generals X and Genrals Ys were Lithuanians... With the cats we do not have this flexibility the article either in the cat or out. Besides the words Anti-Semitism and Anti-Polonism at least exist. abakharev 13:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a divisive and misleading POV category. Calsicol 13:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as quite obvious POV name. While we're there, we should take a look at Category:Anti-Polonism too. -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 14:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that Category:Anti-Iraqism would live long, if I started it and categorized President Bush as such. The Poles, however, do not like to be accountable to the same standards as others. As one editor pondered on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities the other day, "If people from Poland are called Poles, why aren't people from Holland called Holes?" Well, because the Poles are so different from all the rest ;) --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if article referenced article on Anti-Lithuanism is created, Delete as WP:NOR otherwise.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus talk} 15:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - can you imagine Wikipedia littered with categories:anti-<insert nation/group here> for all groups and nations out there in the world? Balcer 18:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:AIPAC

Rename, acronym. Peta 10:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Manos: The Hands of Fate

Category:Manos: The Hands of Fate (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete There is no need for these eponymous categories. All their articles can be found in their eponymous articles. Having eponymous categories for individual musicals and films is a bad idea. Samuel Wantman 09:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete– as often discussed, categories filled with actors and personnel of individual films are not good. This one also contains two articles about characters in the film, but a cat is not necessary as I don't expect any more are on the way. ×Meegs 10:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Rocky Horror

Category:Rocky Horror (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete There is no need for these eponymous categories. All their articles can be found in their eponymous articles. Having eponymous categories for individual musicals and films is a bad idea. Samuel Wantman 09:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Well, wait up here. Unlike the Manos nomination above, this one's a series. There should be a place for The Rocky Horror Picture Show, The Rocky Horror Show, Shock Treatment and Revenge of the Old Queen to go. However, the actors should be removed.--Mike Selinker 12:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Organizations with royal patronage

Merge and Rename to Category:Organisations with royal patronage: changing "z" for "s", and "r" for "R" does not a separate category make! ~~And have separate UK, Canada, Martian etc subcats with the correct "based in foo" naming convention for organisations.~~ - done. (Explanatory note: the "z" cat was originally all Canadian orgs, and then someone came along a created the "s" cat with all UK orgs, but failed to put this new UK cat into any categories, leaving it in Wikipedia no-man's land.) Mais oui! 08:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buildings and structures in India by state

Rename, The first level administrative divisions of India comprise 29 states and six union territories. Hawkestone 06:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Calsicol 13:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gangsta/Ghetto/ThugLife/Indastreets

Category:Gangsta/Ghetto/ThugLife/Indastreets (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete, I think this qualifies as a "general bad idea". Viridae ^Talk 02:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I think I agree. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 03:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. ReeseM 04:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I would have put this category up for deletion myself, but wasn't sure of the response I'd get from a few people. —JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 11:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Instant messengers

Category:Instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Free instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Free instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Linux instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Linux instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Mac OS instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mac OS instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Windows instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Windows instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Mac OS-only instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mac OS-only instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Windows-only instant messengers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Windows-only instant messaging clients (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Rename all, "instant messenger" is an AOL registered trademark, and other articles using this term are being renamed, so let's also get all the categories renamed to the preferred, neutral term of "instant messaging client" -/- Warren 02:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename all per nom. Viridae ^Talk 04:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Military brats

Category:Military brats (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)}

Delete, POV term; not a defining characteristic. Only five articles but it could be enormous, including for example just about every medieval nobleman - people far too diverse for this marginal connection between them to be worthy of categorisation, Chicheley 02:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Though it is nice to see someone use "brat" in the non-insulting sense for once. --tjstrf 08:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure, this might be worth keeping. —Brat, especially army brat, is by far the most common way to describe these people in the U.S., and it is a somewhat important characteristic. If kept, it should probably be limited in scope and renamed United States military brats, or something. ×Meegs 11:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia shouldn't categorise people by parental occupation, as it is highly speculative and largely unprovable that it has a major influence on their lives. Calsicol 14:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fabaceae

The Category:Fabaceae should be merged into Category:Legumes. Much like the grasses that are in Category:Grasses the family fabaceae is most commonly known as the legumes and the duplication of content by common and scientific names is not useful; fabaceae also has some taxonomy problems as it is officially known as both the fabaceae and leguminoseae, Category:Legumes avoids this problem.--Peta 02:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Entertainers who played football

Rename, This is what the category is for. There are other forms of football, and one of them is many times more popular than American football on a global basis. Chicheley 01:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as proposed. A similar category for "proper" football would be useful, too - for Rod Stewart, Bob Marley, Des O'Connor, Julio Iglesias et al. Grutness...wha? 02:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename. Sure, no problem.--Mike Selinker 02:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listify Subject is not as encyclopedic to merit a Wikipedia category. A list article would be more appropriate. Kurieeto 08:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sports players are a form of entertainer by default, as sports events are a performance with an audience for the purpose of amusement. Or by Entertainer, do you mean Comedian? In which case, Category:Comedians who played American football is what you're after. --tjstrf 08:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename or delete. The criterion is funny but hardly encyclopaedic. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 10:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename, it's a decent cat. ×Meegs 10:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Kurieeto. If not deleted then rename as proposed. Calsicol 14:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==== NEW NOMINATIONS ====
 <!-- Please add the newest nominations below this line -->
-==== {{{3|Category:Norwegian royals}}} ====
-:{{lc|Norwegian royals}} to {{lc|Norwegian royalty}}
-'''Merge''', Into [[:Category:Norwegian royalty]], which matches all the other subcategories of [[:Category:European royalty]]. [[User:Piccadilly|Piccadilly]] 17:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-==== {{{3|Category:Primary school}}} ====
-:{{lc|Primary school}} to {{lc|Primary schools}}
-'''Merge''', Empty duplicate of proper plural category. [[User:Usgnus|Usgnus]] 17:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-* '''Delete''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-==== {{{3|Category:Vermont state highways}}} ====
-:{{lc|Vermont state highways}} to {{lc|Vermont routes}}
-'''Rename''', Accepted naming convention for Vermont state routes is "Vermont Route X". Per category guidelines, Route has been de-capitalized and pluralized, resulting in a category name of "Vermont routes". [[User:TwinsMetsFan|'''<font color="#CC0018">T</font><font color="#0000C0">M</font>F''']] <sup>[[User talk:TwinsMetsFan|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/TwinsMetsFan|C]]</sup> 17:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-====[[:Category:Dopplegangers]]====
-:''Keep as redirect to [[:Category:Doppelgängers]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 17:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-* '''(Hard) redirect''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-====[[:Category:American Tour de France stage winners]]====
-:''We probably don't want a cat for stage winners; there's already [[:Category:Tour de France winners]].'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 15:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Channel Four]]====
 :''Keep as redirect to [[:Category:Channel 4]], otherwise it will just be recreated.'' -- <i>[[User:ProveIt|ProveIt]] <sup>[[User talk:ProveIt|(talk)]]</sup></i> 14:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Closed British Breweries]] to [[:Category:Defunct brewery companies of the United Kingdom]]====
-"Defunct companies" is a wikistandard, as in [[:Category:Defunct companies of the United Kingdom]]. It is necessary to include the word "company" because in many perhaps most cases, the company was taken over or got out of brewing to concentrate on other interests, but the brewery was sold on to another company. [[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 14:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
+"Defunct companies" is a wikistandard, as in [[Category:Defunct companies of the United Kingdom]]. It is necessary to include the word "company" because in many perhaps most cases, the company was taken over or got out of brewing to concentrate on other interests, but the brewery was sold on to another company. [[User:Carina22|Carina22]] 14:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 16:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-* '''Rename''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Russian Americans]]====
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 :{{lc|Liverpool F.C. staff}} to {{lc|Liverpool F.C. non-playing staff}}
 '''Rename''', The existing name is imprecise. [[User:Calsicol|Calsicol]] 13:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 16:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Liverpool F.C. managers]]====
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 ::Well, this was discussed, to some extent, on Wikipedia:Project football. I can't see what purpose a managers' category serves, on its own. [[User:ArtVandelay13|ArtVandelay13]] 13:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 :::I have repopulated it myself. "Manager" is a distinct role and there is a very well established and hugely populated hierarchy of categories for managers. Taking Liverpool out of it does not make sense. [[User:Calsicol|Calsicol]] 14:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' Essential category. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 16:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial images]]====
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 *'''Delete''' This is a divisive and misleading POV category. [[User:Calsicol|Calsicol]] 13:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' as quite obvious POV name. While we're there, we should take a look at [[:Category:Anti-Polonism]] too. -- [[User:Grafikm_fr|<font color="Blue">'''Grafikm'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Grafikm_fr|'''<font color="red">(AutoGRAF)</font>''']]</sup> 14:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-<!--**I don't think that [[:Category:Anti-Iraqism]] would live long, if I started it and categorized President Bush as such. The Poles, however, do not like to be accountable to the same standards as others. As one editor pondered on [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities]] the other day, "If people from Poland are called Poles, why aren't people from Holland called Holes?" Well, because the Poles are so different from all the rest ;) --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 15:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
+**I don't think that [[:Category:Anti-Iraqism]] would live long, if I started it and categorized President Bush as such. The Poles, however, do not like to be accountable to the same standards as others. As one editor pondered on [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities]] the other day, "If people from Poland are called Poles, why aren't people from Holland called Holes?" Well, because the Poles are so different from all the rest ;) --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 15:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-***Please avoid personal attacks. Your comment is most certainly a violation of [[WP:CIV]] and related policies.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|<font style="color:#006400;background:#7CFC00;">&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;</font>]][[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 17:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)-->
 *'''Keep if''' article referenced article on [[Anti-Lithuanism]] is created, '''Delete''' as WP:NOR otherwise.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|<font style="color:#006400;background:#7CFC00;">&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;</font>]][[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 15:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' - can you imagine Wikipedia littered with categories:anti-<insert nation/group here> for all groups and nations out there in the world? [[User:Balcer|Balcer]] 18:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ==== {{{3|Category:AIPAC}}} ====
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 *'''Delete''' There is no need for these eponymous categories.  All their articles can be found in their eponymous articles.  Having eponymous categories for individual musicals and films is a bad idea. [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 09:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Delete'''– as often discussed, categories filled with actors and personnel of individual films are not good.  This one also contains two articles about characters in the film, but a cat is not necessary as I don't expect any more are on the way. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 10:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per Meegs. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 16:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Rocky Horror]]====
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 *'''Delete''' There is no need for these eponymous categories.  All their articles can be found in their eponymous articles.  Having eponymous categories for individual musicals and films is a bad idea. [[User:SamuelWantman|Samuel Wantman]] 09:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Keep'''. Well, wait up here. Unlike the Manos nomination above, this one's a series. There should be a place for [[The Rocky Horror Picture Show]], [[The Rocky Horror Show]], [[Shock Treatment]] and [[Revenge of the Old Queen]] to go. However, the actors should be removed.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 12:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nom. The articles can contain the links. At most a template should be used, not a category. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 16:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' for the articles listed by Mike Selinker [[User:Tim!|Tim!]] 16:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ==== {{{3|Category:Organizations with royal patronage}}} ====
 :{{lc|Organizations with royal patronage}} to {{lc|Organisations with Royal patronage}}
 '''Merge''' and '''Rename''' to [[:Category:Organisations with royal patronage]]: changing "z" for "s", and "r" for "R" does not a separate category make! <s>And have separate UK, Canada, Martian etc subcats with the correct "based in foo" naming convention for organisations.</s> - done. (Explanatory note: the "z" cat was originally all Canadian orgs, and then someone came along a created the "s" cat with all UK orgs, but failed to put this new UK cat into any categories, leaving it in Wikipedia no-man's land.) [[User:Mais oui!|Mais oui!]] 08:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Rename''' per nomination. [[User:Tim!|Tim!]] 17:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ==== {{{3|Category:Buildings and structures in India by state}}} ====
@@ Line 101: / Line 72: @@
 '''Rename''', The first level administrative divisions of India comprise 29 states and six union territories. [[User:Hawkestone|Hawkestone]] 06:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Calsicol|Calsicol]] 13:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-* '''Rename''' per nom. [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 17:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Gangsta/Ghetto/ThugLife/Indastreets]]====
@@ Line 109: / Line 79: @@
 *'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:ReeseM|ReeseM]] 04:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''', I would have put this category up for deletion myself, but wasn't sure of the response I'd get from a few people.  —<font face="verdana"><small>[[User:JD UK|JD]]</small><nowiki>[</nowiki><sup>[[User_talk:JD UK|don't talk]]</sup>|<sub>[[Special:Emailuser/JD UK|email]]</sub></font>] 11:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nom. [[User:Landolitan|Landolitan]] 16:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ==== Instant messengers ====
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 '''Rename all''', "instant messenger" is an AOL registered trademark, and other articles using this term are being renamed, so let's also get all the categories renamed to the preferred, neutral term of "instant messaging client" <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-size:larger;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> -/- [[User:Warrens|Warren]]</span> 02:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Rename all''' per nom. [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 04:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Rename all''', there's no reason not to. [[User:Syphonbyte|syphonbyte]] <sub>([[User_talk:Syphonbyte|t]]|[[Special:Contributions/Syphonbyte|c]])</sub> 17:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 ====[[:Category:Military brats]]====