User talk:EdJohnston

Deletion review for Poetry in the early 21st century

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Poetry in the early 21st century. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MusicAngels (talk) 15:53, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

The Drv looks like it is duplicated now after your edit there. I thought you had requested I repost the matter there, otherwise I would have indicated that it was repost as I did in the text for User:Bear above on your Talk page. MusicAngels (talk) 16:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

WIth your permission, I'll remove the material you copied from the DRV and replace it with a link to a section of my user talk. My user talk is not the proper place to get consensus to overturn a deletion. EdJohnston (talk) 16:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi EdJohnston; I am following your lead in this, since my original thought was to file this a WP:Vand which you corrected. I am much moved by the comment of User:DGG this morning who is apparently trying to prepare a more detailed Drv comment. @Drmies: We appear to have a full id on the editor who started the hoax in case anyone is still watching this, who is User:JR[...] and who has self-identified on his user page as a high school poetry teacher preparing to save his school from articles that do not mention his favorite poets Cordelia Ray and Allson Whitman. His addition came late last week on the Drv page and his concerns of being a poetry teacher and an admirer of these 2 poets match fully with the edits made on the Talk page and the article which he was making as an IP-hopping editor last week, and which resulted in the article's eventual deletion. Drmies has counted, I think, 8 disruptive IP-hopping attempts with blocks and the following words: "that IP, or those IPs (there's probably three or four distinctly different sets), are trolling the hell out of my talk page." Possibly the two of you can decide on the best message to send him. MusicAngels (talk) 15:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

MusicAngels, are we talking about the deletion or about the troll? The two have nothing to do with each other in the sense that nothing in that deletion or DRV process affects what should be done to the troll, and vice versa. Are you saying DGG knows the account name of the troll? Drmies (talk) 20:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Drmies, regarding the Drv, the comments from DGG seemed very useful and his follow-up on the specifics once he looks at them might be pertinent. Separately, regarding the troll identification, it is here: [1]. Apparently your multiple blocks on the various IP-hopping addresses has caused him to finally sign in and inadventently self-identify himself (which you can see by looking at that editor's User page where he identifies himself as a high school teacher who is out to protect his students from articles he does not like, and he names his favorite poets which are the same as the claims from the IP-hopping addresses). The self-descriptions we have from the IP-editor on the deleted article Talk page matches with the self-description of the logged-in User account I just provided in the link. MusicAngels (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

MusicAngels, please give me a few of those diffs, where the IPs and the account profess the same interests etc. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 22:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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@Drmies: Regarding the requested diffs you just made above and which are available, they are in 4 parts, identifying the troll as follows:

• (1) Both the IP-hopping troll and the identified user [2] have self-identified as a poetry teacher with "academic" concerns having the same favorite poets.

(a) The identified user indicates this on their User page here [3].

(b) The IP-hopping troll identifies "academic" concerns on your Talk page here: [4] and also on the article Talk page which currently cannot be linked since it was deleted.

• (2) Both the IP-hopping troll and the identified user have identified the same favorite poets Cordelia Ray and Allson Whitman (links:H. Cordelia Ray or Albery Allson Whitman).

(a) The identified user indicates this on the current Drv page here: [5]

(b) The IP-hopping troll indicated the same favorite poets by edits made to the article now deleted ("Poetry in the early 20th century"), which I cannot link here, but which you should have access to from your account. Note that the edits on the article pages themselves were typically done on weekends and then removed after the weekend, back-and-forth).

• (3) Both the IP-hopping troll and the identified user have used by list of contributions History page in order to identify pages which I edit and which they both zero in on.

(a) The identified user used my list-of-contribs History to locate and comment on the Drv in progress now

(b) The IP-hopping troll used my list-of-conribs History to locate and troll on the Talk:Birdman page (otherwise these two pages, the Birdman (film) page and the Drv page, are random and unrelated pages) which was done here [6], and here [7], and here [8].

• (4) Both the IP-hopping troll and the identified user are chronologically linked after the needed sequence of blocks you have executed from your account to control the IP-hopping which then, and only then, caused the identified user to use his password account in order to be able to sign-in (do we have the IP-address of this sign-in) and to try to prevail again on Drv now that so many of those IP-hopping accounts have been blocked.

The appearance is that it was only your making those needed blocks which caused him to finally sign-in to be able to continue editing, or otherwise the IP-hopping and trolling would extend indefinitely. What is the best message to send him. MusicAngels (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

• MusicAngles, the Cordelia and Albery items would have been some evidence, but I cannot find them mentioned in the article (and I looked at many versions) or the talk page (ditto). That they may have found your edits in the same way, that's not much, and that they signed in after a bunch of IPs were blocked isn't much either--after all, the DRV wasn't semi-protected. So, I'm sorry, but I don't see it, and given that many of the IPs geolocate elsewhere (though there were a few in Texas) I can't really use that either. Ed, can you give it a go? Drmies (talk) 18:01, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
• @Drmies: Whether they are sockpuppets or meatpuppets I can leave for both of you to decide, but the IP-hopping troll is now fully joined with the registered account mentioned above here [9], and ready for more test edits on the Cordelia Ray, James Corrothers, and Albery pages together. On the related articles for Cordelia Ray and James D. Corrothers, their last edits were to start to republish their favorite long poem at length on the article page itself here [10]. I assume their next test editing targets shall be the FA article for W. E. B. Du Bois and the sibling article on Paul Laurence Dunbar. MusicAngels (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
• EdJohnston and @Drmies: IP-hopping troll is back again apparently to continue what appears to be another sockpuppet of meatpuppet hoax. The recent edits by the sign-in name JRW... appear to have no verification on the Wikipedia sibling pages for Du Bois and Dunbar which he is claiming as "general knowledge". I am out of good-faith reverts on this and either have to report him for edit warring, or report the IP-hopping account for vandalism or another hoax. Let me know if you have a better solution since the IP-hopping troll is still out there with no one else investigating. Here are two of the apparent further IP-hopping troll accounts bolded:

(cur | Prev) 192.12.13.14 (talk)‎ . . (6,292 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (→‎Stop making serial reverts against Wikipedia policy) (undo)

(cur | prev) 12:34, 4 September 2015‎ Neuroxic (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,010 bytes) (-376)‎ . . (tidying) (undo | thank)

(cur | prev) 11:10, 1 September 2015‎ Neuroxic (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (6,386 bytes) (+1)‎ . . (sp.) (undo | thank)

(cur | prev) 11:06, 1 September 2015‎ Neuroxic (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,385 bytes) (+6)‎ . . (undo | thank)

(cur | prev) 04:19, 1 September 2015‎ Neuroxic (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,379 bytes) (+87)‎ . . (vacation time...) (undo | thank)

(cur | prev) 15:35, 31 August 2015‎ EdJohnston (talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,292 bytes) (+300)‎ . . (→‎Stop making serial reverts against Wikipedia policy: Attribute an unsigned comment) (undo | thank)

(cur | prev) 11:27, 30 August 2015‎ 199.48.243.168 (talk)‎ . .

• I now notice that the IP-hopping account has filed an ANI on my account if one of you could look at this. MusicAngels (talk) 16:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

IP-hopping editor is back again, 3 new IP-hopps in last 24 hrs

@EdJohnston and @Drmies: Thanks to both of you for the blocks you have placed and the page protects. No sooner than the blocks expired than the IP-hopping troll has returned in the last 24hrs for 3 more IP-addresses. That's a total of 17 addresses so far. In case one of you might be able to look at this, here are the most recent IP-hopping addresses for what you have both been calling trolling and probable sock activity, now taking place at another admin page at DGG:

(cur | prev) 22:31, 17 September 2015‎ 128.90.95.145 (talk)‎ . . (499,294 bytes) (+578)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 10:15, 17 September 2015‎ 128.90.39.243 (talk)‎ . . (490,184 bytes) (+9)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 10:14, 17 September 2015‎ 128.90.39.243 (talk)‎ . . (490,175 bytes) (+1)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 10:13, 17 September 2015‎ 128.90.39.243 (talk)‎ . . (490,174 bytes) (+916)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 01:25, 16 September 2015‎ 128.90.91.69 (talk)‎ . . (474,294 bytes) (+7)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 01:24, 16 September 2015‎ 128.90.91.69 (talk)‎ . . (474,287 bytes) (+477)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

Posssibly you could glance at IP128.90[large range of block evasion accounts] for that editor. MusicAngels (talk) 14:33, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

A check of range contributions from 128.90.0.0/16 suggests that a rangeblock would not be worthwhile. The IP editor was posting at User talk:DGG and at Talk:Birdman (film) but I don't see enough abuse to justify semiprotecting any talk pages. At least not yet. User:Drmies collapsed one of the sections at Talk:Birdman (film). If you think that some previous blocks ought to be renewed, let me know which ones. EdJohnston (talk) 16:15, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I am not a troll! I can't help the change in IP addresses and I object only to the bullying tactic of User:MusicAngels who has refused to acknowledge the rights of IPs to edit. If my system gives me a new address every time I log on, what can I do? Hopping implies I am hopping. I'm sitting in one place. 128.90.95.215 (talk) 18:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

• My problem isn't the hopping; it's the disruptive nature of some of your edits. Plus, there are some concerns about whether you're editing while logged out, which, depending on the circumstances, can be a violation of policy. Drmies (talk) 18:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Drmies: Note: I just place page protection on Cordelia Ray and James D. Corrothers for edit warring. Bgwhite (talk) 18:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Troll is back again, possible reconsider

Hi EdJohnston; Thanks for the explanation on the range block for IP=128[...]. I read through all of the many accounts there and it does not seem that any large scale or even medium scale Wikipedia contributor would be badly incovenienced by a range block. The IP-troll is back again here [11] and there does not appear to be any end in sight for him (apparently he feels empowered at the Poetry page deletion caused by his WP:Hoax). I am requesting that the range block be re-considered, and if needed individual IP-accounts be restored upon request only. Otherwise I am in the position of having to request up to 22 selective blocks on the IP-range, and more as needed, since this IP-troll is now at it for 3 full months and seems to have more than a simple fixation at this point, possibly behavioral or maladjustment issues for all we know. Anyway, I will continue to support you in your decision either way, and will continue collecting the now very long list IP-hopps by that editor. @Drmies: We now have a drop-in editor from one of the IP-account ranges indicating that it is Univ of Maryland; does that match with your previous investigation anywhere? MusicAngels (talk) 14:59, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

User:MusicAngels, can you make a list of the IP addresses from the 128.90.* range you think to be this guy? That would allow a better estimate of the collateral damage from a rangeblock. EdJohnston (talk) 15:10, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I can do my best. The most recent one is: 128.90.91.240. My effort today will be to collect these and add them one-by-one here, since this has been a deceptive IP-troll who apparently has access to a very broad range of IP-accounts. There are several of this range account that are already collected in this Talk section here previously for convenience in the above subsections. Plus 3 more:

(cur | prev) 22:31, 17 September 2015‎ 128.90.95.145 (talk)‎ . . (499,294 bytes) (+578)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 10:15, 17 September 2015‎ 128.90.39.243 (talk)‎ . . (490,184 bytes) (+9)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

(cur | prev) 01:24, 16 September 2015‎ 128.90.91.69 (talk)‎ . . (474,287 bytes) (+477)‎ . . (→‎Your useful comments) (undo)

and another one: 128.90.95.215 (talk) 18:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

and another one: 128.90.35.134 (talk) 18:59, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

More: 14:29, 17 August 2015 (diff | hist) . . (+297)‎ . . N User talk:128.90.94.229 ‎ (New to Wikipedia.) (current)

(cur | prev) 10:18, 12 September 2015‎ 128.90.95.63 (talk)‎ . . (62,924 bytes) (+431)‎ . . (undo)

(cur | prev) 03:14, 12 September 2015‎ 128.90.39.238 (talk)‎ . . (62,493 bytes) (+208)‎ . . (→‎Disruptive IP-editor refusing to identify their sign-in account name) (undo)

(cur | prev) 01:52, 30 August 2015‎ 128.90.34.191 (talk)‎ . . (48,669 bytes) (+731)‎ . . (Undid revision 678544450 by Drmies (talk) please keep history) (undo)

(cur | prev) 01:02, 27 August 2015‎ 128.90.39.137 (talk)‎ . . (12,318 bytes) (+158)‎ . . (→‎Stop adding improper hat notes) (undo)

I will continue to supplement as needed, and there are also some to be recorded from the Talk page for the Poetry article which were deleted (Poetry in the early 20th century) which I cannot link to though it should be available from your account. MusicAngels (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Adding yet another IP-hopp to the list. If there is some threshold on the number of IP-hopps needed for the range block against the IP-troll then please let me know. If you need one dozen, or one hundred such IP-hopps before the range block can be reconsidered. Could it be done as a time limited 30-day block to see if the IP-troll can settle down. MusicAngels (talk) 14:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

• Ed, please see the note by MelanieN on the editor's talk page. Drmies (talk) 21:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

• Thanks, User:Drmies and User:MelanieN. I'm starting to lose the plot of this story. I had just figured out a /18 rangeblock that might work, but now you are telling me the IP is a good guy after all (or at least, not a bad guy). EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• What I'm saying is that MusicAngels may not be the most reliable source for who is and is not a troll. I personally don't see the alleged trollishness, and the examples given here don't support it. Something like "IP editor refusing to identify their sign-in account name" is not disruptive behavior; on the contrary, it may be considered disruptive for MA to ask such a question. (In fact check out these demands from MA: "you need to identify yourself promptly by simply typing in your user account name manually at this time. No further edits are to be made until you identify your account name which you have identified yourself as having on your IP-account Talk page, and identify it prior to further edits on this article." "You are required by Wikipedia policy and procedures to identify yourself with your sign-in name prior to further edits here and to follow well established Talk page procedures."[12] This is an additional example of MA misquoting or even inventing "Wikipedia policy".) I checked several of the IPs identified in this list. I notice one was blocked for edit warring, but overall their contributions (often a single contribution) have not been disruptive or deceptive; at User:DGG#Your useful comments they admitted being the same person and said they couldn't help it if their IP kept changing. I'm not calling for a WP:BOOMERANG but just suggesting that we not act on MA's suggestion alone. Another reason to be cautious in accepting what MusicAngels says: the latest IP said "this is the IP address of the guest sign-in of a Maryland-area university". So here we have MA asserting, above, that the IP is from the University of Maryland. But at my talk page MA asserted with equal confidence that it is from Johns Hopkins University. --MelanieN (talk) 14:24, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• EdJohnston and @MelanieN:; The source for identifying those editors as disruptive was User:Neuroxic and User:Drmies, which you appear not to have seen and which I am reposting in the section directly below since its the only way I know how to link to Drmies archive page which is where they are archived. My reports have been fully consistent with those original comments made by User:Neuroxic and User:Drmies. @EdJohnston; If there is any way you could place your range block on the IP128 range above then please follow up on it; I have labored intensively all week-end to obtain the long IP-list for you as faithfully as was possible for me to do over the entire weekend. It is as accurate and verified a list as I could compile. @MelanieN; Thanks for your comments which I will fully follow, and I hope you can glance at the full report and interchange between Drmies and the IPs which I am including below. There is also the exchange between Drmies and Neuroxic which appears on the Birdman (film) Talk page which further identifies those disruptive IP editors and what they are doing. The IP192.12.13.14 you mention above is only one IP for another range-of-IP-accounts which I discovered for Johns Hopkins University (originally, that IP-editor had tried to create a smoke-screen by refering to it as a university somewhere in Maryland) as follows: 192.12.13.14, 192.12.13.5, 192.12.13.14, 192.12.13.7, 192.12.13.2, 192,12,13.1, 192.12.13.32, 192.12.13.3, 192.12.13.13, which give evidence of multiple warnings and multiple blocks to the point that Previous other editors at Wikipedia identified the Johns Hopkins I.T. Security Office by street address and zip code, which was originally done by previous Wikipedia editors before I found them on the new range-of-IP-accounts. My report to you was conistent with all this information as it is presented here and in the subsection below. @EdJohnston; If you have a working solution for the range block on the IP128 addresses, then please by all means place them as being well-researched and done in the best intentions of locating those editors previously identified to me by User:Drmies (see below) and User:Neuroxic as disruptive editors (see Talk page for Birdman(film)). MusicAngels (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

• EdJohnston: Could you please leave an update note for @MelanieN: who is trying to read the record of this sockpuppet/meatpuppet investigation in reverse chronological order. In her text above, because she is reading the historical record in reverse chronological order, she is quoting IP-editors whom you have already investigated and blocked! The one she seems to be especially moved by was the one who claimed to be sitting in a hotel room which was not allowing the IP-user to sign-in to their own account. I said fine and asked that they simply manually indicate who they were so that they would not look like a sock. They refused, you investigated and then you blocked them as a sock [13]. Please bring MelanieN up to date on this, and I have left her the spi template she requested on my Talk page. Once again, I am very grateful for your effort in creating a working solution concerning the IP-range block which I hope you can place as quickly as possible. MusicAngels (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

They refused, you investigated and then you blocked them as a sock Actually, that's not correct. EdJohnston blocked them for a week for disruptive editing - not as a sock. You should read your own links so that you don't misquote them. But let's get to the bottom line here, and take a look at the new "range of IP accounts which I discovered," that you think need to be investigated, or better yet, range-blocked. Your list is:

• 192.12.13.5 hasn't edited since 2013, so irrelevant now
• 192.12.13.7 hasn't edited since 2014, so irrelevant now
• 192.12.13.2 hasn't edited since 2014, so irrelevant now
• 192.12.13.1 hasn't edited since 2014, so irrelevant now
• 192.12.13.32 hasn't edited since 2010!
• 192.12.13.3 hasn't edited since 2014, so irrelevant now
• 192.12.13.13 is the only one who has edited in 2015, most recently in July, and their articles edited do not overlap at all with 192.12.13.14
• and that brings us to 192.12.13.14 (you listed it twice), whom you have repeatedly called an "IP-hopping troll". And yet there is no evidence at all to connect them with any of the other 192 IPs you listed, and nothing to connect them to the 128 range. I think you owe 192.12.13.14 an apology - and maybe also an apology to EdJohnston, for wasting his time with this "range-of-IP-accounts" which is clearly not a sock farm. --MelanieN (talk) 23:06, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Could you glance at the talk page for Birdman (film): Repost of original identification of problem editors

Thanks for your comments at the recent review of the poetry pages. Recently, the various IP-editors from there appear to have started some sort of retribution for my edits outside of the normal edit process as they have done on the Talk page for Birdman (film). I would like to prepare that page for renomination to GA status and possibly you have better ways to address retribution edits from the IP-editors. Perhaps you could glance at the Talk page there. MusicAngels (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

• Sure thing. Again, if that wasn't clear, it pains me that those articles had to be deleted. Come to think of it, maybe you should have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines; I think it's run by The Transhumanist, and it's information done in a way that might appeal to you. Drmies (talk) 20:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC) (reposted by MusicAngels (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC))

User:MusicAngels has a bias against editors who use IP addresses and this bias colors all of his disruptive edits. Please tell him/her that we are equal citizens. In the case of the poetry pages there was strenuous scholarly consensus against the existence of those pages. Now he is using his bias against IP editors in other pages. This needs to stop.199.48.243.7 (talk) 01:55, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

• I think they know that. As for you, please see WP:NPA. Take your little feud elsewhere please. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC) (reposted by MusicAngels (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC))

[I am posting this here so you can see it. Please no that these are not "petty feuds" I could care less about User:MusicAngels. I speak for IP editors.] Dear User:Neuroxic thank you for your efforts re: Birdman (film) which, like the thankfully deleted (and woefully bad) poetry pages created by User:MusicAngels have a great deal of scholarly interest. Unfortunately User:Drmies is not unbiased. Many scholar-editors at universities have stopped using accounts (and edit with IPs) because of institutional scrutiny of wikipedia activity. Nobody is completely anonymous with a Wikipedia account and it could be uncomfortable to have one's edit history scrutinized by a dean or a group of students, frankly. So many scholar-editors use IPs. However, IP users are still considered by many to be second-class Wikipedia citizens. [[User:Drmi is one of these editors. So I write here simply to say I appreciate support against those IP editors who are trying to maintain quality on Wikipedia. There are no personal attacks by any of us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.48.243.168 (talk) 11:28, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

• IP (well, IPs--there's three or four of you by now?), you're a complete idiot. If you knew anything about me at all you'd know that you couldn't be more wrong about my position on IP editors. You also completely bypass the fact that you and your cohorts are violating WP:NPA. Personal attacks on an editor are simply not allowed. In other words, I wonder how much you really know about Wikipedia, since what I'm doing is follow our policies. Has nothing to do with you being a half dozen IP editors.

  You don't really sound like an academic editor, by the way; that MusicAngels's articles were deleted did not raise any academic dust. You're just whistling Dixie. And you don't seem to realize that I was one of the ones advocating deletion of those articles. Finally, this academic scrutiny business, that's highly overrated. There is one more thing you don't seem to realize: if you have an account, your IP information isn't out on the street for everyone to see. Now, if you got something meaningful to say, if you're not just some dumb high-school kid with a personal grudge against an editor who's trolling Wikipedia pulling arguments out of their ass, feel free to email me. Use a real name if you do. Then we'll talk. Drmies (talk) 13:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC) (reposted by MusicAngels (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC))

RGloucester

Thanks for the ping. Cut a long story short - RGloucester didn't get his own way, threw all toys out of pram, went on a talk page move rampage and is now indeffed. Mjroots (talk) 18:52, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

• Holy moly, what a mess. I think Favonian's "or something" captures it nicely. Shame. Drmies (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

If history repeats itself, RGloucester may return one day. Though he is testing people's patience. EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Some messed up moves

I'm not sure what the intent is (else I'd move them myself), but Talk:Bell (disambiguation)/Agusta Aerospace Company didn't seem to end up in the right place, nor did Talk:Bell (disambiguation)/Agusta BA609, Talk:Bell (disambiguation)/Agusta BA609/Comments. It looks like you moved with all subpages moved also. Can you get them to the right place? --Izno (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Not clear why those pages are here. The ones that are only redirects can probably be deleted by G6. If there are any comments posted they could be moved to the respective talk pages of the live articles. What do you think? EdJohnston (talk) 13:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

That's fine with me. I just happened to have one of the pages on my watchlist. --Izno (talk) 14:36, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) They got caught up in the recent move of Bell to Bell (disambiguation) because Wikipedia's software assumes Talk:Bell/whatever is a subpage of Talk:Bell. I've deleted a couple and moved one back, think it should be alright now. Jenks24 (talk) 14:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

After a little research I figured the same and moved a few of them on my own. --Izno (talk) 14:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, the tricky slash-named articles. Topics with embedded slash can sometimes be named in equally acceptable ways that are minus the slash. I looked into the Bell/Agusta company and it seems it has been renamed to drop the 'Bell': see press release which says that these aircraft are now made by AgustaWestland. Probably there should be an RM at Talk:Bell/Agusta Aerospace Company to get some publicity, because aircraft such as BA609 will now be AW-something, and this may require changes in article text.

The first paragraph of the article suggests an acceptable name for what we are calling Bell/Agusta Aerospace Company could be AgustaWestland Tilt-Rotor Company, though the cascade of corporate name changes may not be over. User:Huntster has some time ago renamed Bell/Agusta BA609 to AgustaWestland AW609, so that one is taken care of. See a recent corporate update. EdJohnston (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Assuming that Bell/Agusta Aerospace Company is still correct at least as a piece of history and doesn't require merging, or renaming as the Tilt-Rotor Company I'd suggest moving it to Bell Agusta Aerospace Company to get rid of the slash. EdJohnston (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I did the move to Bell Agusta Aerospace Company. No objection if anyone wants to reorganize this material, which is now only historical. EdJohnston (talk) 23:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Question

Hi Ed, this is a procedural question: once an appeal has been declined at WP:AE is it permissible to appeal against WP:AE's decision at WP:ARCA? Thank you. Soham321 (talk) 14:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:AC/DS#Appeals and modifications for your options. EdJohnston (talk) 16:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

So where did it go?

Hi. I saw your note on the Classical project page about the Catullus bibliography. The link you gave is now suddenly a redlink, so, having noted with great pleasure that such a bibliography page exists, I now can't find it! Can you tell me where it moved to? Thanks -- Andrew Dalby 16:25, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

See Talk:Catullus/References/talk. Always tricky when an RM discussion disappears due to the move. I left a note back at the WikiProject. EdJohnston (talk) 17:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

ARCA appeal

You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Imposition of an Arbitration Enforced Sanction against me by Bishonen and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks, Soham321 (talk) 20:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Is this a possibility

Back again. After our earlier correspondence (see User talk:EdJohnston/Archive 37 and earlier) I wnet to sockpuppet investifations (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/114.167.178.175) but to no avail. Not that I expected much. I can now add to the list of IPs 153.202.189.1, who yesterday reverted a whole bunch of my edits - ones that as another IP he had previously reverted twice or more. But, some of my edits were also reverted by Special:Contributions/Walter_Görlitz. This user's contributions record shows he was editing from 13:22 until 13:27, when he edited some of the articles concerned, largely by replacing what the IPs wanted. Then there is a break in his editing between 13:55 and 14:05. Between 13:54 and 14:15 the IP did his stuff. Is there a connection or a fantastic coincidence? Emeraude (talk) 08:33, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Ways to improve Connah's Quay F.C.

Hi, I'm Scope creep. EdJohnston, thanks for creating Connah's Quay F.C.!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Hope about linking to George Smith (footballer, born 1910)

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. scope_creep 18:14, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Pinging User:Kivo, who is the person who added the new material about the old Connah's Quay club, the one from the turn of the 20th century. You are suggesting a link to George Smith (footballer, born 1910), who was a player for the team. Thank you. EdJohnston (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration Request

I have filed a request for arbitration over my last block:

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#jps vs. Spinningspark.

jps (talk) 14:37, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Renewed warring at Walashma dynasty

I see you protected Walashma dynasty previously. A new editor is adding unsourced material as well as edit warring. He does not seem to get the hint after I have tried talking to him on his talk page [14]. Zekenyan (talk) 18:46, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

User:WilinWili is now blocked 24 hours for warring to add unsourced material. He had been sufficiently warned, but continued regardless. EdJohnston (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Finishing my job for me

Thanks for the notification at User talk:Hawljo. I was in a hurry and forgot - I apologize and appreciate the help. JohnInDC (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Ooops, sorry. Pinkbeast (talk) 12:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Delayed reply

Greetings User:EdJohnston! Sorry for my delayed reply, it seems that the discussion at John's Talk Page[15] already got archived. Well, whereas the incident I reported no longer needs any further attention, I think, I just wanted shortly to make clarify some of the points I was making (I hope you don't mind)

• I know your comments on the 3RR case[16] were about the user activities on *article Talk Page* rather than *user Talk Page*.
• The discussion that took place[17] was about the user's behaviour, and I think the user Talk Page is the right place to discuss it.
• Whereas nobody owns the section headers, I think the problem was that he misleadingly renamed them to refer something they never did refer to. For example, from the very section dealing with Talk:Electronic cigarette to Chiropractic, even though it wasn't about the article Chiropractic at all. Indeed, the complaints aroused were about the user behaviour.
• I was not the only one who reacted to user QuackGuru's behaviour. For example, user BullRangifer reverted his edits:
  • with an Edit Summary: "Undid revision 682484055 by QuackGuru (talk) QG, just stop it! JS placed his comment in the section most relevant so don't mess with it."[18]
  • and a Talk Page comment: "QG, you have no policy basis for your constant refactoring of the placement of another editor's comment, especially when Jayaguru-Shishya has made it so plain that they wished to place it where they did. Ownership behavior has its limits, even on your own talk page. Stop edit warring and being such a jerk. If you're not going to be collaborative, then leave. -- BullRangifer (talk) 04:16, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[19]

So, misleading the on-going Talk Page discussion is what I find problematic. And when it comes to user behaviour, I think the user Talk Page is the only right forum to discuss that. Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 01:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

To keep the policy quotations short, according to WP:TPO,:

Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning, even on your own talk page.

or per WP:OWNTALK:

While the purpose of article talk pages is to discuss the content of articles, the purpose of user talk pages is to draw the attention or discuss the edits of a user.

Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 02:08, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Question about page protection policy

Curious about why the page Birdman (film) was protected and could not be edited or tweaked in any way I started to read the history. Almost all of the "controversy" and bickering about the page (some of which is silly but some quite valid, IMHO) has its roots in a single editor's provocations against IP users. Then I began to read the shenanigans of this particular editor (who knew that the contributions key link led to such high drama?) and saw how a single mean-spirited figure can undermine the work of so many good people. After about an hour of reading I decided to post here. Is there really a reason for Birdman (film) to be page-protected or is it just a casualty of MusicAngels's provocations? Was there really a need to protect Cordelia Ray or was it just a casualty of MusicAngels's provocations? (I see that this was a different administrator, BGwhite) I was fascinated by the deletion of his poetry pages and saw how often he pounced on the talk pages of anyone involved (such as User:DennisBrown), invading their space to ask them to weigh in on a controversy he seemed to have a personal stake in.

So: is it simply on the basis of this one editor (MusicAngels) that Birdman is protect and could you please reconsider? Respectfully, 64.9.157.120 (talk) 11:16, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

The rationale for my protection of Birdman (film) was given at this edit of WP:RFPP. Semiprotection is often used when there is a confusing edit war involving IPs. Protection can be lifted if we are sure that all parties will wait for consensus. I gather that you have never edited that article or its talk page using your current IP. Feel free to point to any contributions to Birdman (film) you could have made using other identities. If you disagree with the current contents of Birdman (film) why not use the talk page to propose changes. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)