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Requested move 10 November 2015

It has been proposed in this section that The Lawsuit (opera) be renamed and moved to The Lawsuit.

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The Lawsuit (opera) → The Lawsuit – revert undiscussed move – Dohn joe (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Needs a discussion. 'The Lawsuit' could refer either to the opera or to the short story by Gogol on which it is based. Editors need to decide on the best scheme for disambiguation. There's also a recently created page, Lawsuit (disambiguation). EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose thanks User:EdJohnston, moved per common sense and WP:MOVE; the The Lawsuit (Gogol) is the original work on which the opera is based, it didn't have an article, I made one, therefore time to move the derived work out. Google Books results for Lawsuit + Gogol Page 10 of about 1,700 results (0.83 seconds) compare Lawsuit + Nesterova Page 3 of about 248 results (0.46 seconds) so to have this as the majority topic would be contrary to what the primary topic guideline says. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per EdJohnston. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 08:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Order of the Vladimir, Third Class is not an article - it's a redirect to a stub article created by In ictu yesterday, The Order of the Vladimir, Third Class. Both the article and redirect were created after In ictu had done the original move. Given that, we won't know what the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is between the play fragment and the opera for a while. Either way, The Lawsuit should not redirect to lawsuit, which is the move made by In ictu. It should point to the opera article, the play fragment redirect, or a separate disambiguation page, per WP:THE. Also, since this title was recently moved without discussion, a no consensus result means reverting to the previous status quo. Dohn joe (talk) 16:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So what? Hurricane isn't an article. You evidently don't understand WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, you seem to think it is WP:PRIMARYTITLE. It isn't - and The Lawsuit (Gogol) is actually a longer article than The Lawsuit (opera) (...what on earth length of article has to do with anything..). In ictu oculi (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Strong oppose''' thanks [[User:EdJohnston]], moved per common sense and [[WP:MOVE]]; the [[The Lawsuit (Gogol)]] is the original work on which the opera is based, it didn't have an article, I made one, therefore time to move the derived work out. [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=lawsuit+gogol&num=10 Google Books results for Lawsuit + Gogol Page 10 of about 1,700 results (0.83 seconds) ] compare [https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=lawsuit+Nesterova&num=10 Lawsuit + Nesterova Page 3 of about 248 results (0.46 seconds) ] so to have this as the majority topic would be contrary to what the primary topic guideline says.  [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 18:26, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 *'''Oppose''' per EdJohnston. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.44.60|70.51.44.60]] ([[User talk:70.51.44.60|talk]]) 08:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
-*'''Support'''. [[The Lawsuit (Gogol)]] is not an article - it's a redirect to a stub article created by In ictu yesterday, [[The Order of the Vladimir, Third Class]]. Both the article and redirect were created ''after'' In ictu had done the original move. Given that, we won't know what the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] is between the play fragment and the opera for a while. Either way, [[The Lawsuit]] should not redirect to [[lawsuit]], which is the move made by In ictu. It should point to the opera article, the play fragment redirect, or a separate disambiguation page, per [[WP:THE]]. <small>Also, since this title was recently moved without discussion, a no consensus result means reverting to the previous status quo.</small> [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 16:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
+*'''Support'''. [[The Order of the Vladimir, Third Class]] is not an article - it's a redirect to a stub article created by In ictu yesterday, [[The Order of the Vladimir, Third Class]]. Both the article and redirect were created ''after'' In ictu had done the original move. Given that, we won't know what the [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] is between the play fragment and the opera for a while. Either way, [[The Lawsuit]] should not redirect to [[lawsuit]], which is the move made by In ictu. It should point to the opera article, the play fragment redirect, or a separate disambiguation page, per [[WP:THE]]. <small>Also, since this title was recently moved without discussion, a no consensus result means reverting to the previous status quo.</small> [[User:Dohn joe|Dohn joe]] ([[User talk:Dohn joe|talk]]) 16:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
+::So what? [[Hurricane]] isn't an article. You evidently don't understand [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]], you seem to think it is [[WP:PRIMARYTITLE]]. It isn't - and [[The Lawsuit (Gogol)]] is actually a longer article than [[The Lawsuit (opera)]] (''...what on earth length of article has to do with anything..''). [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 19:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)