User talk:Ketone16

User:G1ggy/WelcomeG1ggy! 01:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi! can you put my Edward Rutledge sentince back in John Adams THANKS! Salveevery1 (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Map request for Fairfax County, Virginia

Hello!

I'd love to oblige the request. User:Arkyan ran an application that automatically generated from census data and uploaded these types of .svg maps, however city articles that already had maps in them were ignored by this script. Therefore, a lot of maps were left out. I guess the only choice will be to create them individually.

There is one issue for which I'd like your input. I know the definition for what an 'incorporated' and 'unincorporated' area is in Virginia is a bit different from a lot of other states (as are most of the Northern Atlantic states, it seems.) I haven't really worked on any East Coast maps, but I know User:Arkyan had a bit of difficulty in distinguishing that difference, particularly for some maps of New Jersey cities (s)he uploaded. As far as I understand it, "independent" cities are not politically part of the county, so I am not entirely sure if Fairfax City should be included in the map with Fairfax County, as that is misleading. On the other hand, Fairfax city is the county seat and leaving the hole on the map might be confusing to people. So what do you think I should do in that regard? (I can only assume you live somewhere in Fairfax county or have some connection to it if you'd ask me to make that map in particular.)

Other than that, I can start drawing the maps up in my free time. Take care!

Ixnayonthetimmay (talk) 08:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

falls church

hi -- interesting ... how do we know? tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

How do we know what? Ketone16 (talk) 19:59, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

That the mosque is "near", but not "in", Falls Church. Every RS I've seen says it is in FC. What RS do we have (not counting independent research) that supports the opposite view?--Epeefleche (talk) 07:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

This is a geographic fact and does not need a source as it is common knowledge. The mosque is located south and east of the Seven Corners intersection and the City of Falls Church boundary starts north and west of the intersection. Don't get so hung up on "reliable" sources; you can't take every bit of information in a source at face value (a lesson that can be applied to other aspects of the mosque's Wikipedia article as well). The news articles use Falls Church as the mosque's location because that is its mailing address and because Fairfax County has so many communities that just saying "Fairfax County" isn't particularly descriptive. Just look up the location of the mosque on any map or in any online mapping application (such as Google Earth or Bing Maps) that has city and county borders and you will see that the mosque is located in Fairfax County. In Northern Virginia it is extremely common for a location to have a mailing address that corresponds to a nearby city: the Mount Vernon (Fairfax County) community has Alexandria as its mailing address, the Mantua and Fair Lakes (Fairfax County) communities have Fairfax (the city) as their mailing addresses, and the Seven Corners (Fairfax County) community has Falls Church as its mailing address. Some locations in the Sterling area of Loudoun County near Dulles Airport use Dulles as a mailing address. If you are still unconvinced, the mosque (or at least its address) has a Fairfax County property tax record [1], but I am completely satisfied that this fact does not need a reference in the article. Ketone16 (talk) 15:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Interesiting. And odd. The mosque self-identifies as being in Fall Church -- see for example their release on the Fort Hood killings.[2] And we've got bushels of RSs calling it a Falls Church mosque, and nary one that I've seen saying otherwise. In the face of all that, it seems odd to have a WP article saying that the mosque itself and the RSs are all wrong, and describing it differently, though I do hear your point as well.--Epeefleche (talk) 14:24, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that I would say that they self-identify as being in Falls Church; they write "Falls Church" in conjunction with their ZIP code, which is appropriate given that is their official mailing address. A local may even say "Falls Church" as a shorthand (perhaps "the Falls Church area" would be more common) since not everyone even in the D.C. metropolitan area would know exactly where "the Seven Corners area of Fairfax County" is without adding "near Falls Church"). If you were talking to someone who lived within a few miles of the city of Falls Church you might actually say "in Seven Corners" to distinguish the location from the city or from other nearby communities outside the city limits. Anyway, I doubt that many people other than you would have much heartburn over this. If a reliable source says that someone is "from Santa Monica" or "from the L.A. area" (or even "from L.A.") rather than "from the Marina del Ray unincorporated area of Los Angeles County, which is surrounded by the city of Los Angeles and near the city of Santa Monica" I don't freak out even though "Marina del Rey" is the factually accurate location. What is factually accurate is that the mosque is within the Seven Corners unincorporated Census Designated Place within Fairfax County, Virginia, which is near (and in fact borders) the independent City of Falls Church, Virginia. The official mailing address of the mosque is Falls Church. What the reliable sources say is irrelevant to what the actual location of the mosque is. Ketone16 (talk) 15:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I looked at your last revision. And one word popped into my mind. Elegant.

As to their self-identifying, I was referring to their first used of Falls Church in the release, under the title of the release.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, thank you, I misunderstood. Ketone16 (talk) 18:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thanks for being helpful even before you understood!  :) --Epeefleche (talk) 19:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from List of college laboratories conducting basic defense research

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Maps of Fairfax County

I got all the maps uploaded and included in the relevant articles. Oh only if I were so motivated to fill in all the holes for the rest of the United States. C'est la vie... Ixnayonthetimmay (talk) 05:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you; they look wonderful. These make great additions to Wikipedia's articles on Northern Virginia. Ketone16 (talk) 04:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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Armenian cochineal

Hello there! I just wanted to thank you for that great article you've created. --Երևանցի ^talk 21:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I would like to nominate it for "Did you know...". What are your thoughts on this? --Երևանցի ^talk 21:09, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Fine by me! I was surprised that there wasn't already an article on this topic since vordan karmir (or kirmiz) dye seems to be one of Armenia's historic claims to fame, particularly within the Middle East. The little red bugs deserve more respect! Ketone16 (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, this is the tail end of the season for them (i.e., when they are above ground to mate), so it would be a good time to promote them. Ketone16 (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. I was surprised as well. Yeah, this is one way to promote them. Though it's pretty sad they're near-extinct. Once again, thank you for the great article and please keep it up. --Երևանցի ^talk 21:52, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

FYI, I now have a (yet-unresolved) question regarding the fact about the value of the insects that you used in your hook for the "Did you know..." submission: see the article talk page. Ketone16 (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I've left a note in the nomination page. Do you feel like we should instead propose a new hook, a more uncontroversial and well-established fact? Any ideas? --Երևանցի ^talk 18:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Give me a day or two. I found a local library that has Cardon's 2007 book, but I have to sign up for a reader identification card first. The book may or may not clear things up, but if it doesn't, it might give me more ideas for a hook (or for the article itself). Cardon seems to be one of the foremost experts on the historical uses of natural dyes, and a good hook probably will come from the "historical uses" side of the article rather than the "insect biology" side. Ketone16 (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I updated the discussion on the article's talk page. Cardon's book clearly indicates that the insects were not worth more than gold by weight. Oddly, however—and unfortunately—they were worth more than slaves pound-for-pound. In terms of historical significance, she says pretty much what other authors say: P. hamelii carmine was an important dye, especially for silks, in Sassanid Persia and in the Islamic world during medieval times. Ketone16 (talk) 22:19, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for checking the facts. Do you have a proposal for a new hook? --Երևանցի ^talk 01:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have much time to develop a hook at the moment, but I brainstormed some ideas on the nomination page. If there's an angle that you like I could make sure that the article has the right facts to support the hook. Ketone16 (talk) 18:31, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Armenian cochineal

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Armenian mouflon

Are you interested in improving this article? I've added a few sources and have done some basic research, but I'm still having a hard time expanding it. Thanks in advance. --Երևանցի ^talk 02:45, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I am a bit busy this month, but I might be able to work on it here and there. Are there any areas that you think are especially in need of improvement or research? Ketone16 (talk) 03:59, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I'm just really inexperienced in this field and I'm somewhat afraid to make errors. Also, they seem to be relatively understudied. Their physical description is the part I'd appreciate if you helped me with. --Երևանցի ^talk 04:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I will take a look at it. You just mean the physical appearance of the animal? Ketone16 (talk) 14:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I meant the physical appearance, habitat, mating, etc. Basically, the only section I'm comfortable working on is distribution and population. --Երևանցի ^talk 01:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

OK, I will take a look. I added a couple of references, including "Mammals of the Soviet Union, vol. I", that should be helpful for future edits. Ketone16 (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

FYI, the Valdez & Alamia article contains important information about the animal. If you're interested and whenever you have time, I suggest you look closer into it. --Երևանցի ^talk 02:30, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

By the way, would you happen to know someone who might be skilled at interpreting Armenian population census methodologies and results? I have an open question on the Yerevan article's talk page about the correct populations of Armenian cities. I have tried inquiring at the Wikipedia Reference Desk and on the WikiProject Armenia talk page, but with no responses so far. Ketone16 (talk) 04:03, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I will take a look now. I, myself, am pretty skilled at working with census data. It's actually one of the things I do best. --Երևանցի ^talk 04:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I think that it's not an issue of de jure vs. de facto population: all the population figures I cited should be de jure populations, but there is still a discrepancy. Ketone16 (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Please see the talk page. I think you are correct. --Երևանցի ^talk 01:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I replied to you there. Ketone16 (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Editorializing on Iran's lost of Caucasus

Hi there, I appreciate your removal of the editorializing on the Battle of Krtsanisi ‎page. I have tried to remove that sentence or at least tone it down into something readable for a while, but there is one user, LouisAragorn, who will reinstate it. I am watching that page and will back you up. This article's version I had managed a slightly less-bombastic version of his wording which he has cribbed entirely from the Cambridge History of Iran, which while a legit source does not make it infallible. Also, he is obviously not a native English speaker (itself not a fault) and seems to not understand how objectively horrible the sentence is, which is my primary objection - more so than whether it is factual or conjectural. I haven't had the time to battle him on each Talk page as he is more or less unreasonable in maintaining" "In the North Caucasus and South Caucasus, the Qajar dynasty eventually permanently lost many of Iran's integral areas, which had made part of the concept of Iran for centuries, to the Russians in the course of the 19th century, comprising modern-day Georgia, Dagestan, Azerbaijan, and Armenia." on both Qajar dynasty and History of Iran. Maybe more places. It is such a run-on sentence trying to do too much, same as in the Krtsanisi page, but since some PhD said it, the user LouisAragon will find it infalliable. Let me know what you think, Cheers, JesseRafe (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2016 (UTC)