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Ariana Grande discography

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Nominator(s): U990467 (talk)

I am nominating this for featured list because other editors and I have spent a lot of time collecting information in the hope of making the page more complete. I think that it has already been a FL-quality list. Thank You. U990467 (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

• U990467, this article is a list, so it will never go through to FAC. FLC (where you are) is the right place for it, as long as it is ready for the final polishing that the nomination process can provide. In other words, this is not the right place to look for feedback: this is where you come after feedback, or if you think that page is at the right level to become part of our featured content. Are you sure you want to put this though the FL process at this stage? - SchroCat (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Chihciboy

Comments from Chihciboy There are some issues with refs: Some refs have issues that needs updating (eg. Ref 85 (dead link), Ref 34 (no subscription paremeter), Ref 54 and Ref 116 (url needs updating), etc.) so I recommend that you use the checklink tool to check all of them out.  Done: Fixed Also some refs (e.g. Ref 2) have no author/s and some (e.g. Ref 3, Ref 4, Ref 11, Ref 14) have author first and last name inconsistencies (Gary Trust, Trust, Gary; Billboard Staff, Staff, Billboard; etc).  Done: Corrected Some refs (Ref 3, Ref 44) have no accessdates  Done: Added There are refs that have issues with website/work/publisher parameters (e.g. OfficialCharts.com should be replaced with Official Charts Company since they're both substantially the same and shouldn't be italicized, Billboard should add Prometheus Global Media as its publisher, Idolator.com should add SpinMedia as its publisher and should be wiki-linked since it has its own article.)  Done Infobox image needs alt parameter.  Done On the lead section: Instead of writing single digit numbers as No. 3, No. 1, etc., I think you should write the numbers out (number three, number one), 10+ numbers can be written as digits.  Done Second paragraph in the lead focuses only in the U.S. success of the Yours Truly cycle. I think you should include the album's success worldwide, like in Japan.  Done: Added "US Billboard Hot 100" (consider "U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart")  Done "All five singles from My Everything have been certified platinum or better..." (consider platinum and multi-platinum?)  Done "The song went on to peak at number 8." (no citation given)  Done Are there any worldwide numbers available for Grande? Or U.S. at least?  Done: Added Consider merging the last two paragraphs in the lead?  Done No need to repeat chart links in "Peak chart positions" once already linked in the previous table (e.g. JPN in Compilation albums, EPs)  Done The country chart columns in the single/song tables seemed to be a little bit inconsistent with each other (e.g. FRA and NLD appearing in other tables instead of NOR and SWE). I don't think it should be exhausted just to reach the limit of ten chart columns. Grande has several songs charted in these countries. I think that adding these peak chart positions makes the page more complete and informational. I'm okay with that. Overall, the whole list looks actually pretty nice. Chihciboy (talk) 15:59, 24 July 2016 (UTC) Additional comments from Chihciboy On the lead section: No need to link Russian-German, English, and Trinidadian.  Done Is The Remix a compilation album or a remix album?  Done About the EP table: The Japan reissue of Christmas Kisses should probably be merged with the first Christmas Kisses entry since both are contained within a single article and the original issue wasn't released in Japan. Japan reissue of Christmas Kisses was released in both CD and digital download format while the standard edition wasn't. It's necessary to separate them. Love Me Harder EP should be removed since the iTunes source considers it as a single, and it probably constitutes as such (Titling something with EP doesn't necessarily make it an extended play, e.g. "People Like Us - EP")  Done About the Single table: "Put Your Hearts Up" needs a citation to prove its single release. It was in the song's article. Just more on the references: Per WP:OVERLINK, You only need to link the first time. This applies to refs such as Ref 1 (RIAA), Ref 2 (Billboard, Prometheus Global Media), Ref 8 (iTunes Store, Apple), Ref 33 (RIAJ), Ref 39 (FIMI), Ref 50 (ARIA), Ref 60 (GLF), etc. The rest with similar refs should be unlinked.  Done There's still more abou Please note that there are websites that should not italicized, e.g. Idolator, Broadwayworld, iTunes Store, etc. (other works such as Billboard and Rolling Stone are okay, since they're both literary works), you can use the Noitalic template for them.  Done Ref 3 should list the author as Billboard staff instead of Staff, Billboard, you can use the author parameter instead of the first and last name parameters.  Done Ref 4 should list the website as Yahoo! Music instead of Music.Yahoo.com.  Done Ref 21 Entertainment Weekly should list Time Inc. as the publisher instead of Entertainment.  Done Ref 23 Rolling Stone should list Wenner Media as the publisher  Done Ref 108 should list New York Daily News instead of nydailynews. No need for a publisher parameter since both are substantially the same.  Done Ref 115, an alternative source is needed as WP:TWITTER is not a reliable source.  Done It would be really nice if the URLs were archived. A very very very big work... Almost ready to support. Chihciboy (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Thank you. --U990467 (talk) 06:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC) Just a couple more: In the Infobox: You can add the "1Option" and "1Option name" parameters to the infobox to add the "Remix albums" in the list  Done: In the Lead: Replace compilation album to remix album  Done: In the refs (this is final, promise): Ref 8 - iTunes Store is italicized. Use the notalic template  Done Ref 33 (not Ref 54), Ref 37 (not 48), Ref 38, Ref 39 (not Ref 50), Ref 40 (not Ref 56/61/74) - Link the publishers  Done There are still refs with WP:OVERLINKs (e.g. Refs with Billboard, ARIA, Oricon, etc.)  Done Almost there... Chihciboy (talk) 09:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support. I just made an edit on the refs, but that's about it. Also, most of the ref URLs in this article were probably crawled by the Wayback Machine by now so you won't have that much of a hard time archiving them here. Chihciboy (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment – It's inconsistent with the rest of this page to have one instance of "U.S." in prose, but then in columns to have "US", without full stops. Usually little instances like these are picked up or noted as being inconsistent by reviewers; I don't know why this hasn't. The page is not perfect yet, sure, but inconsistency over things like this are usually noticed before now. (Wikipedia discographies are moving away from including "U.S." in columns, as this is inconsistent with the naming scheme of UK and other acronyms, so I don't think that's the solution.) Ss112 06:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

I looked into the MOS:U.S., since Grande is an American, it is probably recommended that the American variety of English be used for the whole article (per MOS:TIES). Chihciboy (talk) 09:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm well aware of what style of English should be used on which page. However, nobody uses "U.S." in chart columns anymore, and this is not done on any featured discography I can find. I don't know why this page would or should be an exception, considering most modern American artists' discographies do not use "U.S." Why "U.S." and not "U.K."? Why "U.S." and not "R.I.A.A."? We get it's an acronym; the periods are pointless, regardless of MOS. I'm sure even if you "recommended" such a change, it would be removed by another editor. One form should be consistent across the entire article, and currently "U.S." at the top of the article is the inconsistent use. The "probably recommended" part is very disregarded in modern music usage. Ss112 21:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree that "US" in the columns should be kept without the periods and a consistency must be used. Seeing that the first abbreviation was used prior to any mention of the words "United States" in the article (and using US/U.S. may be too informal as other countries are consistently mentioned throughout the article without abbreviation per the MOS), U990467 may consider changing "... debut on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100" to "... debut on the Billboard Hot 100 chart in the United States" and "... managed to reach the top ten in the US" to "... managed to reach the top ten on the Billboard Hot 100" as well as rephrasing "... simultaneously on the Billboard Hot 100" to "... simultaneously on the chart". Chihciboy (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: I noticed a few inconsistencies. In the top section, when song chartings are mentioned, there was mention of one of Grande's songs reaching number one, but instead of it being typed out in full syntax as with the other mentions of her song chartings, it was stylized as No. 1. Also the datings in the references aren't all in the same formatting, which may effect it going to FLC. FanofMusic ^{(Talk to Me!)} 19:28, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

•  Done --U990467 (talk) 06:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

• Comment – I see major issues with the Lead section here. Its at a whopping 648 words, which is too much for an artist who has been around for just a few years now, and is going to release many more records to come. This needs to be streamlined right now else we are looking at corruption of quality if ever the page was listed as a FL. The current lead delves too much into specifics, especially with the para for My Everything. Please reduce it and check FLs like Lady Gaga discography to understand how to streamline the prose, so that it does not include too many detail, but still presents Grande's discography. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:58, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. – Gavin (talk) 12:33, 14 September 2016 (UTC)