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SKALA

Hi Andy, according to sources I've found (as well as the current content of SKALA), SKALA was the specific name of the computer system at Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant. Hence I think it makes sense to be a section on this page, rather than a small stand-alone article. For sure, let's follow processes. My bad for not being familiar with them. Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anjelen (talk • contribs) 06:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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"I would agree with his choice of photo"

Thanks for your constructive comment. I'm grateful for constructive comments. Tony May (talk) 03:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Sir all my edits are according to the sources we are related to cad, cam and cae software that's why added an external link. Don't know what is the issue can you please explain. Ashwin suresh94 (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't even look to see what a cam was, but you still spammed to it. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Beautiful Soup

Hi Andy Dingley, I made my edits to Beautiful Soup because it breaks several of the guidelines of MOS:DAB: one blue link per entry, short descriptions consisting of a phrase with no end punctuation, and no references. More importantly (to my mind), it is difficult to scan quickly, which makes it less useful for navigation (the underlying purpose of DAB pages). I'm all for 'ignore the rules' but I don't see any compelling reason to ignore the MOS in this case. Leschnei (talk) 15:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd agree with you re the redlink and the reference, although that entry is still not even linking the term "Beautiful Soup".

For the other two, the additional text (which is short, no more than a sub-single-line sentence) gives a context as to why these disparate terms are on the same disambig. The lead is there because Beautiful Soup is no longer in Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, a terrible article which conveys almost nothing about the book. We need something which explains this, and the Alice article fails. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answer. I have no problem with the lead; multiple links are common there and I didn't change that. I don't entirely agree with your most recent changes, but it's a compromise and I can live with that. Leschnei (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had to improve the pages so that they can be more accurate

I had to edit the pages in a way so that they can be more accurate. The numbers before the editing were actually inaccurate and false, leading me to improving them so that they'd be more accurate.

Plus one of the sources on one of the articles (Yard Globe) changed and the maximum size was erased off the main page ^[1] and revealed in another page, indicating a typing error they made, so in actually the 70 foot rating was exaggerated by a factor of 10, meaning only 7 feet in reality from them, so the 70 foot diameter one doesn't exist after all. The largest is confirmed to be 10 meters from a Chinese company, Mao Ping. ^[2]

Kin balls are actually 1.2192 m or 121.92 cm in diameter and 1.22 m or 122 cm is slightly larger than 4 feet, yet 20 meters is actually less than 65 1/2 feet, so closer to that or 65 feet than to 66 feet.

Like how are inaccurate pages any helpful?

Yet some of those pages were especially very inaccurate in the past and underwent a number of edits from many people. As you know Wikipedia is where people contribute to their own work and edit, therefore making it unreliable to look up information on. Edits improve accuracy if done right, but don't make the wiki site completely reliable.

I was doing the right thing and got blamed by you for it.

It's like being blamed for telling the truth when lying is in fact the wrong thing to do.

I hope you read this and understand why these precise so called improvements were neccessary.

As one example, at yard globe you inserted the conversion "10 meters (32.808398950131231 feet) in diameter,", i.e. to 15 decimal places. That's far smaller than the wavelength of light. This is a completely inappropriate level of precision for a manufactured object. It's far smaller than the precision of the gyroscope spheres for Gravity Probe B. It's greater precision than the sphere considered for the Avogadro project. The number you have added is simply nonsense.

I am fairly sure that you already know this. Either you know this, and are making these changes deliberately to be disruptive. That is WP:DISRUPTIVE.

Or else you do not understand them, and so that is a failure of WP:COMPETENCE. Please do not make these changes any more - they are inappropriate.

Or else you have some unfathomable compulsion to keep adding these changes. Which is unfortunate, and WP is not the place for you, see WP:NOTTHERAPY.

But what we do not with certainty is that these changes are neither appropriate here, nor going to stay around. Please stop making them, because the next action is to seek a block of you at WP:ANI. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that you're now editing as NelsonEN24 (talk · contribs). Andy Dingley (talk) 01:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gary Esparanza Jackson (2009-08-29). "Monumental sculpture and sphere floating water fountain Bronze, Stainless Steel and Stone". WaterFountains.com, Inc. Retrieved 2019-06-04.
^ https://www.stainless-steel-sphere.com/index.html |title=MAO PING industrial Co., Limited |author=Mao Ping Industrial co. |date=2008-01-01 |publisher=Mao Ping Industrial Co, Inc. |accessdate=2019-6-4}}

Actually you’re pretty much wrong on some parts. The difference between 30 cm & 12 inches is 1.6%, which is much greater difference than the difference from roundness of the gyros.

A so called ball that deviates by 1.6% is definitely visibly out of round, and the gyros differ by 1.8 x 10-7 of their diameter, which is a FAR smaller percentage than 1.6%. Any difference that exists is important, and when you increase size factors the difference adds up. The gyros precision was far more precise than even the difference between 1.2192 and 1.22 meters for kin balls.

Like I said, 3,048 km is 48 km larger than 3,000 km and 30,480 km is 480 km larger than 30,000 km, and 304,800 km is 4,800 km larger than 300,000 km and 3,048,000 km is 48,000 km larger than 3,000,000, and so forth. You can clearly fit the diameter of Uranus within that difference and still have room to spare.

That difference is actually significant and of you place a 300 mm ball next to a 304.8 mm ball side by side, the naked eye can definitely detect the difference (albeit a small one) and therefore the difference is substantial.

Precision is important for pretty much everything in life, even more than some people think.

Yet if anyone were to swim 1 km and only swam 999 meters, then he/she would be 1 meter from the finish line and if he/she were to swim 1,000 km and only swam 999 km, then he/she would still be 1 km or a whole 1000 meters from the finish line, which is much more than the length of a recreational swimming pool and a significant factor in swim distance. Yet sport ball size precision is definitely important in gameplay as rules state. Go,f balls used to come in 2 different sizes and the R&A was ever so slightly smaller than the USGA, and that had a profound effect in tolerance.

Yet saying a so called negligible difference isn’t important or non existent is almost like saying microbes and germs don’t exist, yet they exist and we can’t see them, yet they profoundly affect our bodies. Bad germs make us sick as our body fights them and again we can’t see them.

Once again 1.6% is not really negligible but noticeable and substantial.

The thing is that precision is more necessary than you think and is important for pretty much anything in life. Now there are such things as tolerances and that’s what may be the thing here, as tolerance is a necessary variation that doesn’t break limits, such as with pool balls, as they have a tolerance of +/- 0.005”, and any ball exceeding the tolerance is off limits in billiards. Yet a size 7 basketball is anywhere from 749 to 780 mm in circumference, meaning a 31 mm tolerance, so should not exceed 780 mm in circumference.

Precision is important in practically everything.

Just wanted to let you understand that reverting to inaccurate values is actually a real mistake and keeping the values precise helps more people understand. We know the pages aren’t just for you to see, they’re for everyone to see. NelsonEN24 (talk) 08:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why I’m being cyber bullied

When I’ve been fixing pages to improve them, I’ve been cyber bullied by you.

Nobody else seeing the pages I edited for improvement treated me so aggressively like you did.

You said mean things to me and act like anything considered an error isn’t important whatsoever when in fact it affects everything in life. That’s like saying I’m making everything worse by improving them, and improvements do good whereas inaccuracies mess them up.

I was trying to edit the pages so a multitude of people reading them can understand what’s true.

For example, 12 inches is actually 304.8 mm and 300 mm is 11.811023622047244 inches, so 12 inches is 4 mm 8/10 of a mm larger than 300 mm, so 300 mm is 11.811023622047244 inches, not 12 inches.

Yet 3 meters is 118.11023622047244 inches or 9 feet 10.11023622047244 inches, so 1.88976377953 inches (close to 2 inches) less than 10 feet. A profound difference.

People agree the La Géode in the Parc de la Villette in Paris France is 36 meters or just slightly over 118 feet in width, and if you say 300 mm is 12 inches or 1 foot, that’s like saying 36 meters is 120 feet, which is totally inaccurate by nearly 2 feet. A difference of 1.6% may be small, but it’s significant, and profound on everything in existence.

It's just like saying Earth's equatorial diameter is the same as its polar diameter when it's in fact 42 km 796 meters 40 cm wider at its equator, meaning its polar diameter is 12,713 km 504 meters 60 cm and its equatorial diameter is 12,756 km 274 meters, due to its rotation, and almost everybody knows that. It's also like saying Earth doesn't have mountains or plate tectonics when in fact it does.

All of this likely indicates poor memory in math from you and I’ve done math before and taken many math tests with excellent grades, so I know my math. Yet 50 cm is 1.64042 feet and 20 inches is 50 cm 8 mm or 1.666666 feet, which is 8 mm greater than half a meter. That’s also like saying 20 inches is 2 feet when in fact 24 inches is 2 feet, though both 20 and 24 inches are fairly close in size to each other but do not match.

The thing is that I’m being aggressively yelled at and harassed by you just for editing the pages to improve them.

Precision may seem ridiculous and far fetched and beyond one’s mind and perspective, but it’s honest and helpful in life. Also, like if you wanted to fill a cup for a bowl to make food the water level has to measure accurately in line on the cup, and one tiny mishap leads to a poor result in the finished meal.

What you’re doing is really the real WP:DISRUPTIVE deal and causing me to feel bad about myself showing everyone you’re bullying me with your words and quotes.

Cyber bullying is illegal and will get not only a person like you blocked, but arrested. Cyber bullying is not gonna get you the degree in knowledge but instead a block and arrest.

It’s sad that people become bullies because they’ve been treated bad in their life and show us them becoming more heartless, because we need to all agree what’s truly honest because constant disagreement is one way to fuel and promote bullying which you should stop. Bullying does not make people like you smart, it’s dumb and extremely inappropriate (MUCH more so than my so-called “precision edits” that you call my edits).

When you do math, you got to be accurate because one little error will completely affect the results. 1 + 1 is 2 and not 2.1, and when you say 12 inches is 300 mm, that’s just like saying 1 + 1 is 3, which is totally inaccurate.

Why do pages have to be inaccurate? Pages are for millions and billions of people to see and not just 1 person like you. Yet if you ever played sport, you gotta agree with the rules which involve precision such as ball size and throw distance as that helps determine performance and game and score results.

There, end of story, long story, but I hope you agree what you did to me was horrible and unlawful, yet abusive, exposing readers to lies and showing us lack of precision in math, yet imprecision prevents students like you from getting an A+ in math, which I’ve gotten many times. Gotta have knowledge to live with in life.

I hope you owe me a HUGE sincere apology for your words and reversions to false measurements because the reversions and false measurements are a huge mistake that cause chaos in everything including us. Most of all, an apology for making me feel bad about myself and likely causing others to see me as a bad person. Remember cyber bullying is wrong and illegal. NelsonEN24 (talk) 09:55, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As you've raised this at WP:ANI#Andy Dingley is a Cyber Bully I'll be responding there, not here. Please don't bother responding here, if I do reply it will be at ANI instead. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Portals

Blame the portal. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Land speed recordings

 There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 14:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Trekphiler

I understand your feelings, and they do you credit, but I'm not sure I agree. I did think about whether to indef the master and decided it was appropriate for a number of reasons I'd rather not go into.

Your presentation of evidence was outstanding. It's rare for a wall of text at SPI to be readable and informative. Makes my job a lot easier. One small point. You said that the rather significant article intersection between the two accounts wasn't that important and compared it to the intersection between you and Trekphiler (which I didn't attempt to verify). In this instance, it is important. You and Trekphiler have about 114K edits and 63K edits respectively. The sock has only 96.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:49, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fan art on railway-related pages

Can we have computer-generated fan art? It doesn't seem appropriate to me at all when photographs are available.

I really don't want to upset anyone's feelings.

Someone must have spent hours and hours in MS paint producing various livery diagrams. Hours of work, that the author would be proud of. I applaud them for their mousework.

I guess the line of least resistance is to acquiesce and give the artist free reign to insert whatever he likes, so as to not upset his feelings. But are these actually professional or informative in any way? Do they add anything to the article? Or do they detract?

Do we accept that they detract, but acquiesce because feelings? But does that encourage others? Is this a slippery slope? Tony May (talk) 14:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That belongs at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Continual_criticisms_by_Tony_May, not here. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andy. I'm not sure it does, need discussing actually, but in a grown up way that certain users are incapable of - obviously your contributions generally are sound. I've apparently upset a few people, for various different reasons, mostly removing their poor quality contributions. I think it probably best if we leave the issue of the awful fan art for a while and let it all calm down and then have a discussion on its merits at a later date. Unfortunately the articles will look crap with them, and they may proliferate. As usual on Wikipedia, who is aggressive gets their way, and I fear if I try to start a sensible discussion on fan art it will quickly spiral into infantile personal attacks against me which will prevent the discussion of original thread. Tony May (talk) 16:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, PS - Had I wanted to canvas you, I would have gone through the email backchannel. Your opinion is respected, nevertheless. Tony May (talk) 16:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BLP noticeboard

Template:BLP noticeboard 194.207.146.167 (talk) 18:17, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Andy

I apologize for the language but you have to realize that the gurgel g800 page took me several hours to do and it was extremely hard to find citations. I appreciate you checking my pages but I will say that it does hurt a lot when you say something like that. Aidansteffen (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Something like what? That unsourced content needs sources? That's policy here: WP:V / WP:RS.

That your Gurgel article has some unclear (and yet very obvious) points to it, such as when in the last four decades was this thing built?

That "news" content about De Tomaso needs to be sourced too, because if it's 'news' today, then you must have read that somewhere and you should pass that on as a citation.

Or that the Devel 16 probably is using 16 cylinders in its engine (which would be notable), but that all the other claims for the Devel are so WP:EXTRAORDINARY that they will require very robust and secondary sources before we can say so here.

Also, BTW, describing other editors as 'dipshits' is outside WP:NPA and you're likely to end up blocked for that. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AFD notice

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tox (Python testing wrapper) has now been closed as speedy keep/bad-faith reprisal nomination. This is not an endorsement of the article, which is not in great shape. I would recommend improving the sourcing. Stifle (talk) 09:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apologise

Sorry, that was a big mistake of mine. I didn't realised until now and I regret reverting it. I forgot to restore the previously correct content back on the Opel Corsa page. I dunno why I got the two models so mixed up. --Vauxford (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Claire Fox

By your own admission. There was no citation to Claire Fox’s thoughts on child porn. I am surprised that you have allowed this to be added previously. As it is such a sensitive subject, it seems only natural that there is an effective citation from a very vague one attributed to the Morning Star. Antifascistprotectionrampart (talk) 00:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted sourced content. There was a reference there (actually three of them), you removed it. I made no "admission" of anything.

Her views on this have been clear (although poorly reported by most of our admittedly trashy press). Andy Dingley (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no actual sourced content. There is a vague reference, to what I am sure, was a more nuanced debate on the Moral Maze on Radio 4 (no audio). The sources and subsequent sources are based on nothing more than a recollection of a debate. If you are going to continue this slur on the site, I feel the least you could do was publish a direct quote from the original debate. Antifascistprotectionrampart (talk) 00:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

“Your” meaning Wikipedia. Antifascistprotectionrampart (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Grauniad uses the literal text, " she has stood up for Gary Glitter’s right to download child porn,"[1] I don't know how much clearer they can make it for you. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Guardian could actually make it much clearer, by attributing a quote. I can only presume that the lack of direct quotes from The Guardian as part of “our trashy press”. There is nothing in your biog of Claire Fox that, as other of the chair of The Moral Maze, she may have made an intellectual, admittedly provocative (but that is the point of the show), against censorship in all forms. As you are well aware, a reference to defence of child porn; which I am absolutely certain is not Claire Fox’s belief; is misleading in itself and betrays the “neutralism” of which you referred to in your original communication and betrays the very heart of Wikipedia’s principles. Antifascistprotectionrampart (talk) 01:05, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"which I am absolutely certain " is what we refer to as WP:OR. We work by the Graudian's independent comment instead.

If you wish, raise this at WP:BLPN, WP:RSN or go the whole hog for WP:ANI. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Just to thank you for the magnificent reply on the Science Reference Desk regarding carbon dioxide from vinegar and baking soda (I'm not the person who asked the question, but I had to thank you regardless) Willbb234 (talk) 12:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Summer kigo has been nominated for discussion

Category:Summer kigo, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. —⁠andrybak (talk) 05:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GCR Class 9P

Hi, re this revert - thanks for that, I wrote the passage concerned and sourced it at the time; most of the article was my work. You may not have realised, but 86.6.125.141 (talk) is one of my WP:HOUNDs - of the seven pages they have edited, five were created by myself; one (British Rail Class 22) has my name several times in its history; just one (Cave bear) has no involvement of mine at all. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen their additions lately from a few IPs. Hard to call them out as absolutely wrong, but WP:COMPETENCE does require basic literacy and this isn't good enough. I've no idea how much involvement Gresley had (I know nothing about the GCR other than Peter Denny's models) but couldn't make any more sense from what they wrote. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:26, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RS

Why do you think WP:RS is optional for a cited source? The site owner himself says: "I am not a professional historian and have no academic qualifications in the field so please take my site as the work of an amateur enthusiast." Guy (Help!) 11:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The place to discuss this is at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Global_ban_on_non-RS?, not here. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RESTRICT

You might want to refrain from talking about Jytdog, as you clearly did here. C. W. Gilmore was indeffed partly for violating his IBAN with a sitebanned editor, and Jytdog's ban had nothing to do with you and so could not by any stretch be considered to have invalidated your IBAN. Pinging User:Ivanvector who closed the IBAN discussion and User:Bishonen who proposed it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:26, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Noting since I was pinged that I have seen this and am not taking any action. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:50, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle

When I revert somebody's edits using the vandal rollback option, it does not automatically open their talkpage for me. Are you experiencing this issue too?

Isn't that what it's meant to do? One of the options rolls back, the other rolls back and opens the talkpage.

Try it. Just sit on recent changes for a bit and catch some obvious vandalism.

I tend to not bother warning on large IP or mobile ISPs much, at least not for first offences, as they're too transitory. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What I am saying is that it does NOT automatically open the talkpage for me. It was working fine yesterday. CLCStudent (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, try both options. But AFAIK it works and works OK on one of them, and that's as much Twinkle as I know. If it's broken, WP:VP/T is probably the place to go. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:18, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good editor

You are a good editor. I have seen your hard work on the project and I want to say I appreciate you. The editor who is coming after you is the same one who follows me and harasses me. My suggestion to you is to ignore this editor and keep going with your valuable contributions. The editor looks for areas where drama and friction occur, and I know that is not your purpose on the project. Lightburst (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Gary Esparanza Jackson (2009-08-29). "Monumental sculpture and sphere floating water fountain Bronze, Stainless Steel and Stone". WaterFountains.com, Inc. Retrieved 2019-06-04.

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 :::: Well, try both options.  But AFAIK it works and works OK on one of them, and that's as much Twinkle as I know.  If it's broken, [[WP:VP/T]] is probably the place to go. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley#top|talk]]) 14:18, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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+You are a good editor. I have seen your hard work on the project and I want to say I appreciate you. The editor who is coming after you is the same one who follows me and harasses me. My suggestion to you is to ignore this editor and keep going with your valuable contributions. The editor looks for areas where drama and friction occur, and I know that is not your purpose on the project. [[User:Lightburst|Lightburst]] ([[User talk:Lightburst|talk]]) 20:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)