Talk:Nintendo Entertainment System

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Possible relationship between Famicom, NES and Commodore 64

I was thinking: since the Commodore 64 was designed to be a home computer for the entire family, and was launched in 1982, 1 year before the NES, could it be that the Family Computer was named Nintendo Entertainment System in USA, Latin America and Europe, because the name "Family Computer" could cause the NES to be mistaken for the Commodore 64? If someone knows something, let us know. Da nuke 01:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The name was chosen to make it sound more "technological". Nintendo tried very hard to distance the NES from previous game systems, since after the video game crash the prevailing opinion was video games were an old fad. I've never heard anything about the name relating to the Commodore. --Ntg 04:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

NES Clones

Would it be a good idea to include photos of NES clones? I just purchased one and could submit a photo. just a thought Michael Ray 15:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...there are far too many clones, and a specific article (with some photos) for that purpose. Usually, 1 photo per clone type (e.g. portable, classic look, wannabe xbox-look) should be enough. I've personally owned 4 NES clones so far, with appearances ranging from a japanese Super Famicom, to a Sega Mega Drive 2, to a "World Cup 2004 edition" looking like a PSOne with a big plastic football attached etc. EpiVictor 21:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

PAL NES CPU speed

@Damian Yerrick:

For the second time now, i have corrected the PAL NES CPU speed from 1.68 Mhz to 1.77 Mhz. Like the NTSC consoles, the CPU speed is determined by dividing the Pixel clock by 3, which is 5.32Mhz / 3 = 1.77Mhz. The 5.32 Mhz pixel clock is generated by dividing the 26.58Mhz PAL master clock by 5. The 26.58Mhz PAL master clock is 4 times the 4.43Mhz PAL color carrier frequency. Is this enough proof now? FEB 7TH 2006(VIG) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.247.108 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the PAL NES CPU speed is not 1.77 MHz - numerous tests have been performed on the real hardware and the RP2A07 divides the PAL NES's 26.601712 MHz master clock by 16, not 15 as you expected. The proper PAL NES CPU speed is, in reality, 1.662607 MHz. --Quietust 01:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

PC10 / VS Systems video output

Since I happen to own an original PC10 arcade PCB, i can confirm that the video output are inverted RGB signals. That means, voltage levels @ 1V are dark and voltage levels at 0V are bright pixels. They probably did it to make service replacements with standard components harder. FEB 7TH 2006(VIG)

• It should be noted that the inversion happens outside of the video chip - the PPU itself outputs non-inverted RGB signals. --Quietust 13:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

NES Sports Set?

Hi. I'm just a wee bit late for this, nonetheless I thought it was crazy that it wasnt mentioned. The NES Sports Set--shouldn't this have information about that? Or the first of its kind controller AKA Nintendo Blaster? Power Glove? These are some big things that no one had ever done before and I think they should be added in this lengthy article. Bourgeoisdude 01:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

NES Parallax scrolling? No!

I changed the line: "Games like Gradius made heavy use of the NES's parallax scrolling capabilities." to: "Games like Gradius made heavy use of the NES's scrolling capabilities." because, although you can achieve parallax scrolling on the NES by changing the gfx content of tiles while scrolling (like Bucky O Hare), the hardware has no native support for it. You can only have 1 tile based scrolling layer. Besides, Gradius on the NES has no parallax scrolling (as the original arcade version) Feb 11th 2006 (VIG) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.237.211 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Game Console Bundling and Price in US

I was only about 1 yr old when the console was released here in the US, so I don't exactly remember how the NES was sold. Can anyone add here or to the article about how the system was sold - i.e. Did the system come in "flavors;" A plain package with just the console and adapters, A game bundle with MB and the console, or a ROB bundle w/ the Robot and Gyromite, etc...? Also, I think this article could benefit from someone adding a pricetag at release to the system, or system bundles if that is how it was released. I believe the console alone was $200.00, but I do not know this. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.11.247 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

That information was here, in the history section, but the section was getting pretty big. The information was moved to History of the Nintendo Entertainment System (second section, fifth paragraph). The abbreviated summary of the history section that remains here doesn't mention it, I guess because it was considered too trivial for the context (though perfect for the more specialized History of... article). FWIW, the system was released in two flavors: a $250 version that included R.O.B. , the Zapper, Gyromite, and Duck Hunt (though not Super Mario Bros., interestingly), and a $200 version that dropped R.O.B. and Gyromite and added SMB. – Seancdaug 23:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Entertainment System vs. Nintendo Article

Anyone else notice that there is a "Nintendo" article that is different from this one (see here)? It'd be a nightmare to combine the two, but unfortunately I believe it needs to be done. They are one in the same, are they not? Bourgeoisdude 01:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Er... no, they're not. Nintendo is the name of the company; Nintendo Entertainment System is the name of (one of) their products. The articles deal with two different subjects. – Seancdaug 02:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops...my bad. Thanks for--letting me know. Bourgeoisdude 00:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

topload

i was under the impression that thier was a third variant (i belive it was the US one) that loaded through the top but was different from the famicom can anyone confirm/deny?

There were two NES models released in America. The second (the toploader) is referenced several times in the article, and covered in greater detail at NES 2. – Seancdaug 01:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Price

I can't help but notice there's nothing in this article about the price of the system and games at launch. Does anyone actually remember what it was?Bdve 16:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

My guess for USA: Super Mario Bros, Duck Hunt and Gyromite at minimum, for they were all pack-ins (right?). Given that a lot of Japanese titles required very little translation, such as Baseball, Kung Fu, and Kid Icarus, I'd bet that there were a lot of launch games in the USA. --Locarno 17:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't really answer the question. I was wondering the price as well, and I think it was around $299. 71.250.35.123 20:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

It's over at History of the Nintendo Entertainment System: the Japanese launch was at ¥14,800, and the US launch came in two flavors. The deluxe version was $249, and the scaled-back version was $199. Dunno about Europe, though. I'll move the info into this article. – Seancdaug 21:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Famicom(NES) predecessor ??

Wouldn't the predecessor for the Famicom be the Color TV game??? Just wondering... (Bobabobabo 19:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

I don't know if it can be considered the predecessor but if you are wondering why it didn't show up in the article after you edited it, it's because you typed in "Predecessor" instead of "predecessor" (I noticed that when I clicked the preview button). Another thing I noticed in the preview is that since you put "game" instead of "Game", it wouldn't have linked to the article. SNS 17:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Square Famicom Buttons

Do we have a citation for this claim? It seems dubious. -- Daniel Davis 01:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

you dont need a citation, just go search for it and you will instantly see it is true. you can buy them from time to time on ebay or yahoo auctions —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.181.253.122 (talk • contribs).

That is not really a reliable source. -- ReyBrujo 12:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

ok, try this for a citation http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-Square-Button-Famicom-CIB-Nintendo-Japan-nes_W0QQitemZ280099677014QQcategoryZ4315QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.181.253.122 (talk • contribs).

The fact that you are using an eBay publication created by some John Generic Bob should indicate you that there are no reliable sources. This is not different from you creating a Geocities page and writing the information yourself, and then using it as reference. Sorry, but no. -- ReyBrujo 04:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Flags

what need is ther for a UK flag when the EU one is there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.79.126 (talk • contribs) .

It can be discussed. Personally, I think the EU flag involves Europe as a whole, not just EU. Others may think that UK must be named as it is not a part of EU. -- ReyBrujo 14:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Well i belive the EU flag is used to represent Europe, weather or not that is correct i'm not sure. As for the UK, it is part of the EU. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.66.54 (talk • contribs) .

That ReyBrujo guy is some crazy bloke eh? Must 'ave nowt of an education eh? UK not in EU??? Thats bloody barmy! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.119.156.157 (talk • contribs).

UK is in Europe. UK is not a part of the European Union. -- ReyBrujo 03:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Notable Games

A new section called Notable Games has been added by an anonymous user. I don't follow this page, so I don't know if I should remove the section. But it seems to be very POV to claim which games are "notable" at the expense of all the others, especially when the critera for "notability" are not established by a reference. Certainly the section is not wiki-linked and is placed oddly in the article. But it doesn't seem necessary to have such a section at all. Other thoughts? -Phoenixrod 17:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Size

If the size of screenshot images was a bit larger, they would display in their original format (without scaling) and the page would look alot better. Is there a reason why they are scaled down? RossyMiles 09:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I tested the images at full resoultion and it seemed fine. The only problem was, if the page is viewed at a smaller screen size, the text is not eaisly readable. This could be fixed by moving the images further apart. -RossyMiles 10:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Linkspam

83.171.147.125 has added a link to a list of emulators. I'd remove it myself, but I've already removed the one that they added to Amstrad CPC, and don't want to do anything that could be seen as harrassment. --StuartBrady (Talk) 11:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

A reference link added by Seancdaug on January 5, 2005 to the Regional Differences section, "darkwatcher.psxfanatics.com/console/nes.htm" , has been blacklisted by someone. I've removed it so people can continue to modify the page.--Poshzombie 00:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Seancdaug, there was no reliability problem with the link as far as I know. Wikpedia was just not allowing anyone to modify the page because it had this "blacklisted" link on it so I took it out temporarily. Thanks for putting it back. Maybe it was a wiki glitch?--Poshzombie 20:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Game Size

Maybe the possible cartridge sizes(meaning game memory, not physical size) should be added like on the SNES page. I would do it, but I don't know how big the largest games were. TJ Spyke 17:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for a Proposed Move

Dear Friends:

Recently, the article titled Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis was renamed simply Sega Mega Drive with the reasoning that Sega Mega Drive is the correct name because it was the name that came 'first' and any other branding that came later should simply be a redirect to the initial name, regardless of which name is better known or more popular (Google Searches come up with more results for "Sega Genesis" than "Sega Mega Drive").

Therefore, I am making the proposal to move Nintendo Entertainment System to the name of origin, Famicom; the Super Nintendo Entertainment System to the name of origin, Super Famicom; and Resident Evil to the name of origin, Biohazard. Please comment on this below. Thank you. 71.244.180.131 23:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

See WP:POINT and WP:DICK. HawkerTyphoon 23:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I think you fail to understand my purpose here. Quite simply, it is my belief that all articles should work towards falling under similar guidelines. As such, if the policy is to host articles under their original name, then all applicable articles should be done that way, not just the ones that are convenient for you or I. 71.244.180.131 23:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Hawker. You've made your point, now cut it out. We have better things to do. Kafziel 23:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not "making a point", dispite what you may say. I'm merely opening up the topic for discussion. If you wish to not discuss it, then, by all means, pass it on by. 71.244.180.131 00:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think which name came first is the best reason for renaming the article. That said, Sega Mega Drive seems appropriate enough per WP:NAME. Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis is just awkward, and not a very common use. Dancter 00:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Will post this on the Resident Evil article as well. The problem with your reasoning is that Wikipedia editors try to avoid redirects as they are startling to newcomers, also the titles of the artices should reflect what the most English speaking users know the subject as, see WP:NAME. By the same reasoning the article on Tom Cruise should be renamed to Thomas Mapother. Why not, that was his original name, shouldn't it be the title of the article? In addition, the main reasoning behind the renaming of the Sega Mega Drive is that it is only known as the Sega Genesis in one country, therefore the majority of people in the world know the subject of the article as the Sega Mega Drive. Whereas the Nintendo Entertainment System is only know as the Famicom in Japan (one country) the same goes for Resident Evil being known only as Biohazard in Japan. Therefore the majority of people the subjects of the articles as the Nintendo Entertainment System and Resident Evil. The Filmaker 00:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose Mega Drive was moved because it's the more common name. It has nothign to do with which name came first. The Famicom name was only used in Japan. The system was called Nintendo Entertainment System in all English-speaking territories. This article is where it belongs. Ace of Sevens 00:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The thing is though, that "Mega Drive" isn't the more common name. Do some searches using some of the various Internet search engines and get back to me with your results. 71.244.180.131 01:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I actually opposed for that reason, but still it had nothign to do with which came first. Ace of Sevens 01:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Let's not get in a quirll over the "Mega Drive" article. Per WP:NAME, Wikipedia's stance on titles for articles is what it is most commonly known as in English speaking countries. The Filmaker 13:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Please go and cry about the Mega Drive move somewhere else. Why don't you have a look at the gasoline and cheer yourself up on how they've stamped out the mention of the word petrol. Mega Drive wasn't necessarily moved because it was the name of origin, Wikipedia uses the name that's most easily recognised. I cannot believe you would prefer gasoline/petrol over gasoline. - Hahnchen 15:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

How angry you all seems to be! The man made the right thing proposing the move first. He didn't even followed the move procedure, opting first to see the impressions of the community. He has a point. He may be right to some extent. I don't understant why did many of you flamed him? We should always assume good faith and be courteous to other wikipedians. Remember these rules (... guidelines...) when responding. The fact that the Mega Drive got discussed here is collateral because he used the Mega Drive naming as an analogy to the NES. I oppose the move because the naming conventions state that the name should always try to be the most well known name (sometimes it's hard to figure out which one is). The Tom Cruise analogy was funny but pointless, his baptism name (was he baptized? are scientologists baptized? :-) has nothing to do with an article that aims to be a bio of the actor which is known as Tom Cruise. Using this analogy is the same as proposing to name an article about any software with his project name rather than it's final product name. But, in the end, I think this is all settled now: NES stands because it's more common in english speaking world. (by the way, if you search google and try to compare results for Famicon and NES, please ensure you sum up the results for 'NES' and 'Nintendo Entertainment System' not only the latter). Regards Loudenvier 15:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't need to "assume" anything—the evidence is clear. He announced that it was a mass nomination, copied and pasted on several talk pages, all to make a point about his unhappiness at the Sega verdict. That's not okay, and we don't have to pretend it is just because he's editing from an IP address. Kafziel 16:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

NES and Famicom get separate pages?

The Famicom and the NES were not just different versions of Nintendo's home console in the 1980's. They were completely different systems with different games, features, and designs. They also have a different development and release histories, and were geared towards different audiences.

Anyone else's thoughts?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.236.208.26 (talk • contribs)

Not all game systems are released everywhere at the same time. Also, not all games are available to every market across the globe. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 07:06, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. There are regional differences, to be sure, but there are regional differences in the way that just about any console is developed and marketed. More to the point, there is a lot of information in overlap: a history of the NES, for example, is by necessity going to recap the history of the Famicom. A seperate Famicom article is going to either suffer from a lot of redundancy. – Sean Daugherty (talk) 16:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Last NES Game

• Actually, there was a game called "Yu Yu Hakusho Final" released in 1996 for the NES. --205.206.196.178 17:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • There are dozens, if not hundreds of "new games" released for the NES, primarily coming from Hong Kong. They are almost invariably of extremely poor quality (the game you mentioned is one of about a dozen games made by the same company and using the same basic game engine) and many are hacked versions of each other (pirated versions of games that were never licensed to begin with). "Last NES Game" should only consist of the last licensed title that was released (in this case, Wario's Woods). --Quietust 14:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

picking nits

In reality, the seal only meant that the developer had paid the license fee; it had nothing to do with the quality of the game.

The business side of this was that game developers were now forced to pay a license fee to Nintendo, to submit to Nintendo’s quality assurance process, to buy developer kits from Nintendo, and to utilize Nintendo as the manufacturer for all cartridges and packaging.

Sorry to be pedantic, but there seems to technically be a contradiction here. It says that the developer only had to pay a fee, then it goes on to say that they had to pay a fee, submit to qa and manufacture through Nintendo. While you can quibble whether or not that has anything to do with quality, I don't think you can say that the only thing the developer had to do was pay nintendo off.--144.131.67.249 10:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct date for release of the Power Set?

According to article: In December 1990, to coincide with the release of the Power Pad floor mat controller, Nintendo released a new Power Set bundle, consisting of the console, the Power Pad, the NES Zapper, two controllers, and a multicart containing Super Mario Bros., Duck Hunt, and World Class Track Meet.

However, my brother and I are certain that our family got the Power Set for Christmas 1988. Does anyone have corroborating evidence for the later date? Moreover, we have found a posting to the Usenet group [rec.games.video] from June 1989 by a Dartmouth student who stated that one could then still get Super Mario Brothers with the Power Set. Clearly, the December 1990 date is wrong. Rcharman 04:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Further evidence for the dates can be found at [slider.com] and [SuperMarioPlanet] and [everything2.com]. Rcharman 04:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

My abnormal NES

One day, I discovered something odd about my NES. When I stopped playing Super Mario Bros. 2, I wanted to swap games when I noticed that the cartridge was not pressed down. so I took it out and put it back in without pressing it down, and it functioned well. Then I pressed it down while the NES was off and it screwed up! Now it works both ways: pressed down and not pressed down. Does anyone know why this happened? --Plainnym 21:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Never heard of this before...sounds so weird! Maybe taking a look inside your actual NES might give off clues? FamicomJL 22:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Opinionated Statements

I am changing this quote, " complete, playable, and fun. ", to "complete and playable" because the original statement is a personal opinion as to wether or not a game is fun. You can find this quote in the "Sprite limitations" section.--Psa- 11:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is another quote in the "Sprite limitations" section "which was developed by one of the most talented companies in existence.". There are many opinionated statements in this article that are going unnoticed.--Psa- 11:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ive noticed this too. Maybe this article should be checked to see if its actually a "Featured Article" material? --24.47.193.183 23:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Modem/online functionality

Visited the page in order to find information about the japanese Famicom modem add-on. Couldn't find any, and I think maybe it's important enought to be mentioned, seeing as this makes the NES (as far as I know) the first console able to go online. Sources:

• http://www.thegamingrevolution.com/forums/showthread.php?s=8e57e8e966e8c8c249110127380c7d3c&p=223553
• http://www.siliconera.com/2006/09/05/nintendos-secret-online-past-the-famicom-modem/#more-1817

metroid

metroid was never released on cartridge in japan. I have changed the article to reflect this oversight by the previous editor —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.181.159.193 (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

picture

this aricule should have a picture of a normal cartridgeEl Bean Burrito Mexicali 12:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hardware flaws

When trying to start a game with my game genie, it won't work. It gives me a solid color screen that is a different color each time, ranging from greys to blues to greens. Is this a result of the bending connectors? And if there's a source, should it be added to the article? 216.237.235.137 21:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)