Talk:Steve Daines

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User:Muboshgu

Suggest AFD

I am going to suggest AFD for this article since it reads as a piece of campaign literature. V. Joe (talk) 03:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Original Research

The source provided for this edit doesn't even mention Daines. It should not be included in his BLP per wp:original researchCFredkin (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I found a better one and will phrase with a bit less POV. Montanabw^(talk) 21:11, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Steve Daines

Looking back at your edits, I saw that a bit of my posting might have been non-neutral (the part about Daines excelling at debate, which I have changed to a neutral participated). However, in your edit, you removed many sourced facts which were not POV problems at all. First, you removed the fact that Daines was an All-State trumpet player. This is something quite notable which I sourced. If a source were found stating that Daines's audition had been fixed, then that should be included, but none has turned up. Even though this fact says something positive about Daines, it is the truth, and there is nothing wrong with putting it in there. The same goes for the mountain-climbing; if you can prove that is a lie, by all means remove it or prove that Daines lied about it; otherwise, that fact should remain in. Good articles frequently include peoples' hobbies. Also, you removed the statement by the Federal Election Commission about why Daines's case was dismissed. I'm going to assume good faith, but that should remain in there, because there are many different reasons why the case could have been dismissed. These include lack of evidence, disagreement, or a request from the plaintiff, and each of these reasons carries a different meaning. The reason should be explained, whether it looks unfavorably or favorably upon Daines. Next, while you are correct as to who controls the budget, Daines still created that website. If this is not pertinent, you should have removed every mention of the website, instead of merely removing my elaboration on the topic. Finally, in undoing these edits, you removed many reliable sources I had inserted in place of dead links. I'm guessing you overlooked the fact that some of the links you put back were dead, but that could be viewed as vandalism. Again, though, I don't think you intended to vandalize the article and am not accusing you of this at all. I am merely explaining why you were wrong to make the changes you made. If you still feel my edits are not neutral, then start a discussion on the talk page instead of simply reverting them again. Oriolesfan8 (talk) 12:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Stuff from high school and college is really irrelevant to a wikipedia article. The rest is not phrased neutrally, it's self-promotional fluff and needs to be "just the facts, ma'am." to be encyclopedic. I will edit the article accordingly and you can take any further issues to talk. Montanabw^(talk) 17:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I still think All-State trumpet is not only relevant but is the type of thing often found on elite articles on Wikipedia (for instance, my good article about Cal Ripken, Jr., mentions that he played soccer in high school even though he was not famous as a soccer player). However, I found your changes this time much better and think you did a great job! Nice going; the article is now neutral, as it should be! Oriolesfan8 (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Stuff people did in high school is not really relevant; in the light of NPOV do you also want to add the keggers and parties common at Bozeman High School in that era? Seriously. Ripkin's athleticism was relevant a bit, someone playing a trumpet has little to do with becoming a politician unless it goes to someone's ability to blow their own horn. Montanabw^(talk) 15:39, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

"activist"

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_7 where it was made clear that simply being backed by a group does not make one an "activist" in such a group. A person who is "backed" by the CPUSA does not become a "Communist activist" either. Cheers. Collect (talk) 23:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

RfC

Is Steve Daines a "Tea Party activist" for purposes of categorization? He was endorsed by a Tea Party group, but shows no other connection to the movement. 23:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

discussion

See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_August_7#Category:People_associated_with_the_Tea_Party_movement for discussion as to what the new category is intended to contain. Collect (talk) 23:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)