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:::{{ping|Robert McClenon}} it appears this editor has indeed been around a lot longer than this SV article. You might consider to retract that statement. [[User:Jtbobwaysf|Jtbobwaysf]] ([[User talk:Jtbobwaysf|talk]]) 15:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
:::{{ping|Robert McClenon}} it appears this editor has indeed been around a lot longer than this SV article. You might consider to retract that statement. [[User:Jtbobwaysf|Jtbobwaysf]] ([[User talk:Jtbobwaysf|talk]]) 15:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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::::[[User:Jtbobwaysf]] - Yes, but they have become a [[WP:SPA|single-purpose account]] since the previous SV article was deleted, and all of their subsequent edits have had to do with that article. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 16:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
::::[[User:Jtbobwaysf]] - Yes, but they have become a [[WP:SPA|single-purpose account]] since the previous SV article was deleted, and all of their subsequent edits have had to do with that article. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 16:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Robert McClenon}} This has gone far enough. I have a life outside of Wikipedia and I am currently working hard to get the draft we are discussing to a level that is good enough for you. It is perfectly normal that someone would invest the limited time he has to get the one draft, where he is the sole contributor, ready and doesn't at the same time do other contributions. I would also like to point you |
:::::{{ping|Robert McClenon}} This has gone far enough. I have a life outside of Wikipedia and I am currently working hard to get the draft we are discussing to a level that is good enough for you. It is perfectly normal that someone would invest the limited time he has to get the one draft, where he is the sole contributor, ready and doesn't at the same time do other contributions. I would also like to point you to the following quote on "who not to tag" from the [[WP:SPA|single-purpose account]] page "Recent edits by an established editor which focus on a single topic. Once an editor is well established with a large, diversified edit history, they are welcome to focus on single subjects for extended periods without their edits or their accounts warranting the SPA tag.". I think I qualify. I kindly ask you to drop the absurd claim and remove the note. Thanks. --[[User:Gal Buki|torusJKL]] ([[User talk:Gal Buki|talk]]) 18:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
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There's too much junk in this article
The article should state what Bitcoin Cash is and why it was created (which it does). It could state, briefly, that there is controversy around the need to create Bitcoin - with a link to online sources that discuss the controversy, perhaps. A brief section titled "History", stating what actually happened and about a quarter of the length of the current blow-by-blow he-said/she-said history section would be reasonable.
All the rest is junk. Details of who said what about Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash are not appropriate in an encyclopedia article. Mentioning the current price of any cryptocurrency is pointless because prices change daily. Maybe there could be links to a couple of the (many) websites that track cryptocurrency exchange rates, but even that is redundant because any search engine will find them. As for volatility of cryptocurrencies, again it is ephemeral information, anybody who wants to know what it is right now can look at the exchange-traded options or at one of the volatility indexes like BVOL24H or one of the indexes calculated by T3Index.
Does anyone seriously disagree that most of this article is inappropriate to an encyclopedia and should be deleted? Longitude2 (talk) 15:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- Why would we delete cited content? The article is not too long. We are listing historical prices in the Bitcoin article as it is encyclopedic. But I do think some style changes would probably be useful. Thoughts? Maybe we address your thoughts section by section? Jtbobwaysf (talk) 17:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that good sources should not be removed, but the article certainly could be reorganized. Many wikipedia articles suffer from what I call "section syndrome" where a couple editors focus on specific sections, and not the overall organization of an article. Then people come in and add a sentence, and each section becomes a list of facts. IMO the article should have a section on why BCH exists, what the unique features and philosophy is, what influenced it, and what did it influence (fork from and what forked off it). The problem with "History" sections is they become lists. If @Longitude2: does some of this in their sandbox, I'd be happy to collaborate. Beakerboy (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
- I did some cleanup of the prose a bit today, some of it seemed to repeat itself. Please feel free to comment. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that good sources should not be removed, but the article certainly could be reorganized. Many wikipedia articles suffer from what I call "section syndrome" where a couple editors focus on specific sections, and not the overall organization of an article. Then people come in and add a sentence, and each section becomes a list of facts. IMO the article should have a section on why BCH exists, what the unique features and philosophy is, what influenced it, and what did it influence (fork from and what forked off it). The problem with "History" sections is they become lists. If @Longitude2: does some of this in their sandbox, I'd be happy to collaborate. Beakerboy (talk) 15:02, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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Bitcoin Cash open Official Twitter Handle ( @BTCTCH ) . Zoyahssn (talk) 18:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Run n Fly (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Splitting proposal
Gal Buki (talk · contribs · logs) proposed at the AfC Help Desk that the Bitcoin SV section be split into a separate page called Bitcoin SV, which is currently a redirect leading to this page. The user has already created a draft: Draft:Bitcoin SV. They didn't know how to create this split discussion, so they asked me to start it for them. There is an old AfD regarding this. Seeking consensus for this split. Curbon7 (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support: The new Bitcoin SV article has multiple reliable sources from published research papers, news companies not related to blockchain, the w3c Github repository and from organizations run by country states. In addition the BSV blockchain has deviated in many ways from Bitcoin Cash hence adding it as a chapter in Bitcoin Cash would be inappropriate and misleading in the parent article. torusJKL (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support: I support a split as these are separate article subjects and it appears that there are sufficient RS on the split article to pass AfD. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 12:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe. The draft's RS support is very skimpy - David Gerard (talk) 20:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I note there's a fair bit of BSV in Financial Times, if not entirely complimentary at times. That's a bit more RS coverage - David Gerard (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- @David Gerard: I have added multiple additional RS to the article. torusJKL (talk) 23:00, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe. The draft article almost reads like it was written by a non-native English speaker. My apologies to the author if they are. It requires a bit of proof reading. Beakerboy (talk) 22:15, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- English is indeed not my mother tongue. I would appreciate any help. Thanks torusJKL (talk) 05:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I have already declined Draft:Bitcoin SV once, because I was relying on the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitcoin SV. I have created a copy of the deleted version of the article, which is available for inspection at User:Robert McClenon/Bitcoin SV. I do not know much about cryptocurrency, and I do not think that I want to know much about it. However, I will try to comment. I think that the previous article needed deleting, but at the same time I am not sure that redirecting it to a different Bitcoin variant made sense. I personally consider the whole subject area to be a mess; I am not sure that there is any right answer. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for retrieving the old article. I think it is fair to say that the new article is nothing like the old one and the arguments against the old article (no RS and too early) do not hold against the new. torusJKL (talk) 07:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- Conflict of interest query: Does User:Gal Buki have any conflict of interest? They have been a single-purpose account, editing only with regard to this topic. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- I have been a Wikipedia contributor for over 16 years both in the English as in the German Wikipedia. During this time I have created multiple articles and worked on many others. I find the suggestion that my account is a single-purpose account disturbing and far from the truth.
- As for conflict of interest. I'm not paid to write the article and I don't believe I get a financial gain by working on this article. The majority of text in the article has an RS and is not for publicity but to show facts and uniqueness that should have a place in an Encyclopedia. torusJKL (talk) 06:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon: it appears this editor has indeed been around a lot longer than this SV article. You might consider to retract that statement. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- User:Jtbobwaysf - Yes, but they have become a single-purpose account since the previous SV article was deleted, and all of their subsequent edits have had to do with that article. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon: This has gone far enough. I have a life outside of Wikipedia and I am currently working hard to get the draft we are discussing to a level that is good enough for you. It is perfectly normal that someone would invest the limited time he has to get the one draft, where he is the sole contributor, ready and doesn't at the same time do other contributions. I would also like to point you to the following quote on "who not to tag" from the single-purpose account page "Recent edits by an established editor which focus on a single topic. Once an editor is well established with a large, diversified edit history, they are welcome to focus on single subjects for extended periods without their edits or their accounts warranting the SPA tag.". I think I qualify. I kindly ask you to drop the absurd claim and remove the note. Thanks. --torusJKL (talk) 18:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- User:Jtbobwaysf - Yes, but they have become a single-purpose account since the previous SV article was deleted, and all of their subsequent edits have had to do with that article. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon: it appears this editor has indeed been around a lot longer than this SV article. You might consider to retract that statement. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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