Talk:PlayStation Portable

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"Colour" vandalism

According to the Manual of Style, an article should use the same dialect throughout. This article consistently uses Britsh or International English rather than American English. The same manual then goes on to say:

Editors should not change the spelling used in an article wholesale from one variant to another, unless there is a compelling reason to do so (which will rarely be the case). Other editors are justified in reverting such changes.

And furthermore,

Finally, in the event of conflicts on this issue, please remember that if the use of your preferred version of English seems like a matter of great national pride to you, the differences are actually relatively minor

While I doubt most of the random IPs who tend to be changing any use of the word "colour" in this article to "color" would actually read this, it should be kept to such a consistent style. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't really see the argument for this article being "mostly British English". It uses "ize" rather than "ise" and uses "color" in another place. In fact, "colour" seems to be the only non-American spelling used in this article. Granted, there is nothing about this article that dictates which dialect it should be written in, but from what I can tell it's currently "mostly" American English, albeit by a small margin. I really don't care which dialect the article uses as long as its consistant, but I think your argument is a little weak. -- mattb @ 2007-01-19T18:42Z

The article uses "-ize" in 3 places (one of which even Oxford, which International English stems from, now uses -ize), while using "-ise" in 5. License makes use of the American form... "analog" is labelled in the American form, though I've never really seen even SCEE make use of the term "analogue" when referring to the stick. After running through American and British English spelling differences really quickly, that's about all I could find in use in the American form. As you said though, it doesn't matter much which way the article reads as long as it is consistent, and in that same sense I'd still say it significantly makes use of British or International more often; moving from the current scheme minus the color/colour to American English would require more changes than moving entirely to British/International English. - ZakuSage 15:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial features

Things such as homebrew software have been traditionally kept to a separate article, and which is then briefly summarized in a small section in this article. I notice that a couple of editors are consistently trying to incorporate this into the general prose. This generally shouldn't be done because such things are largely unofficial. For instance, I could use the PSP as a paper-weight, but it isn't mentioned in the article, nor should it be. I could also use a toaster to burn books, but that's not mentioned in its article either. Hacks and homebrew software should be kept to the homebrew specific article; leave this one to official features. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Just as an aside, I realize that most of the people editing an article on PSP are going to be those who are quite savvy with the device and would likely use homebrew programs and have a large focus on firmwares when doing anything with the device, including myself, however it really harms the readability of the average reader to incorporate such a focus into the article. Most people who will read this article will be confused if the focus leans to much on people who already know a lot about the device. I'm not saying we should write for the lowest common denominator, but we should try to work towards an article that is interesting and informative for all who read it. - ZakuSage 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Compared to the Zune article...

this article is cr*ap...the zune article list all its features and everything it can do, bt when i try to add things about the pictures formats psp can view, it gets deleted.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs).

Maybe if you'd sign your comments properly people would respond to your inquiries faster. Use the four tilde signs to sign your username to comments. Mattygabe 22:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Justifying your edits to one article based on how another article is (poorly) written is seldom a relevant argument. It was explained above that it is not the purpose of this article to list every feature of the product and that attempting to do so only clutters up the text. I might also add that all of these features are enumerated in great detail in externally linked resources. Encyclopedia articles summarize; they do not seek to be product manuals or try to provide the basis for a side-by-side comparison of consumer electronics. There's no need to get so excited just because we do not wish to add a laundry list of features to this article. -- mattb @ 2007-01-03T23:43Z

well it seems the purpose of the zune article is to list all its features, both article r on the same site so they should be close to the same, and if the zune article list all its features than the psp one should...

Nope, that isn't how things work here. -- mattb @ 2007-01-05T14:44Z

And aside from everything above, the Zune is a DAP and the PSP is a handheld gaming device, that happens to play music and videos. The two aren't related. If you want to compare it to something, compare it to the DS.... --Cmsjustin 17:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The PSP Demo stand alone article

If you find any download able demos for the PSP or find out that your local EBGAMES/Gamestop is giving them out please post this info in the article. It will help everyone looking to get a taste of free stuff. --Shamo0 02:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos

I've noticed that, including the picture of the console itself in the infobox, this entire article only has two photographs. For an article of this length, it might be beneficial to brighten things up a bit. If anyone can think of some items to add, I can do the leg-work and either locate an appropriate picture or take one myself. - ZakuSage 02:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

add a pic of the new psp camera or the psp with the Umd slot open with a UMD sticking out..... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

headphones

Someone told me the other day that you can't use headphones not especially made for the PSP. I came here, thinking i'd find something on the matter, but could not. Can anyone give me any insight? Thank you.71.8.41.143 03:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Thayer

Talk page is not the place for discussion on the article's subject, but yes you can as it uses standard headphone jacks (just as I'd assume most people would expect). - ZakuSage 00:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Poor game sales compared to DS

I think this needs to be mentioned. Even if you are a PSP fanboy, you can't ignore these kind of facts.

In Japan:

• 18 DS games have sold better than the top selling PSP game.
• Only one PSP game has sold more than 500K, and no games have sold more than 1M.
• The top selling DS game has sold 3,508,819 more games than the top selling PSP game. That's 625% more.
• Over twice as many DS games have sold 100K units than PSP games.

No matter how you look at that, the PSP is getting slaughtered in Japan. Of course, these aren't worldwide sales mind you, but I don' think the PSP is winning anywhere. I think this is important to mention somewhere. System sales aren't as big of a gap (DS sold 17% more worldwide, not including Lite), but a gap of 625% in terms of best selling game is big deal and needs mentioning.

PSP game sales in Japan DS game sales in Japan--SeizureDog 01:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

For neutrality's sake, as well as not creating a troll magnet, I'd say it's not a good idea. Note that in it's current state, the article makes no mention of the DS for one very good reason: this article is about PSP, not DS, nor the competition between them. Also note that in the article for Nintendo DS there is only one careful mention of PSP, which itself is contained in a very poorly constructed section that needs a clean-up anyway. Perhaps such information would be best left to comparison articles or the "History of video games" article on this subject? - ZakuSage 01:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, personally I think every console article should have some information on how it fared against its competitors. I actually came to this article a while back specifically to see how it compared to the DS in sales and was surprised to find no comparisions. I'll admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but I just as equally want information of how the PS1 beat out the N64 as shown in the Nintendo 64 article. I find avoiding the subject actually less neutral than mentioning it as it conveys a sense of "let's not mention any bad things about it". Plus, I'm sure critical opinion can be found speculating on why the DS won in the handheld market (probably something along the lines of the PSP spreading itself out too thin with all of the multimedia stuff).--SeizureDog 16:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think if anything we should just let the facts speak for themselves; state the beleaguered software sales and leave it at that. If possible, I think we should try to find numbers for the entire world as well, rather than just for Japan, as this is an international encyclopedia. Focusing too much on the competition really only will end with a poorly constructed article and inevitably non-neutral article, as has happened with the one for N64. Additionally, I think the best thing to do would be to avoid speculation as it could well be any number of things causing a lack of software sales. - ZakuSage 05:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Flags

A common trend that has begun cropping up is, instead of using flag icons for the release dates, people have been using superscript shortened titles for the regions. I bring this forward because the PSP was released in North America, not the US, on the release date mentioned on the site. If no one objects I'll change the flag icons to things like ^NA and ^EU. --Thaddius 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It would eba good idea to actually protect this page. Too much vandalism. Toajaller3146 06:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Zakusage has ownership issues.

Despite wikipedia having policy to the contrary, ZakuSage seems to think he owns PSP-related articles.

He defaced my user page yesterday as well as removing someone else's comments regarding his behavior from this page.

I think this is wrong behavior and am serving him formal warning to stop it here. I will CC this to the administrators' noticeboard in a moment. RunedChozo 20:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Give your grudges a break. This article has seen way too many references to firmware releases in the past, and has been cleaned up of them time and time again because the sheer number of them makes mentioning every little thing irrelevent. Also, take your sockpuppet elsewhere. - ZakuSage 21:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Zakusage, you seem obsessed with removing any notice that the PSP has had different firmware editions, as well as with misspelling the word "color." Also, I do not appreciate your lying about me, nor your making false accusations at other people. I have reported your behavior to the admins noticeboard and am working with them now. RunedChozo 21:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you even read WP:OWN? By the information on there, you're the one taking ownership of some of the text on the page. Not only have you taken offense for the removal of your addition, you completely went against what to do when you're going to post something like this on the talk page. From the policy page:

[...]Always avoid accusations, attacks, and speculations concerning the motivation of editors.[...]

[...]Stay calm, assume good faith, and remain civil: Accusing other editors of owning the article may appear aggressive, and could be perceived as a personal attack. Address the editor in a civil manner, with the same amount of respect you would expect.[...]

You need to stop this behaviour. - ZakuSage 01:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Firmware

I think that when a feature in this page is mentioned, it should be mentioned at what version of the firmware it was added if it was not originally available in the 1.00 or 1.50 releases.

This is not inconsequential information, as the PSP has evolved over time when Sony released new features for whatever reason.

At the moment even the firmware section itself doesn't mention what changes were made to the firmware over time. This is good information for us to have. RunedChozo 21:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

They were removed months ago because it was a tedious list of information with little value. - ZakuSage 21:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I've filed a RFC on this matter, I note ZakuSage is the only one who finds them "tedious" and suspect him to be a Sony employee. RunedChozo 21:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Give it a rest. I'm not a Sony employee, and I don't live anywhere near any Sony headquarters (Nova Scoita). Stop with the grudge matches, RunedChozo. - ZakuSage

It's also worth noting that I have a hacked PSP that I constantly run homebrew on. I, for one, do dwell over firmware in pretty much everything I do with the console (or at least I used to pre-3.0x OE), but it is a severe hinderence to readability, especially to users not technically savvy or familiar with the device. I mentioned this in a previous edit to this talkpage:

Just as an aside, I realize that most of the people editing an article on PSP are going to be those who are quite savvy with the device and would likely use homebrew programs and have a large focus on firmwares when doing anything with the device, including myself, however it really harms the readability of the average reader to incorporate such a focus into the article. Most people who will read this article will be confused if the focus leans to much on people who already know a lot about the device. I'm not saying we should write for the lowest common denominator, but we should try to work towards an article that is interesting and informative for all who read it. - ZakuSage 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore, your request for comment is not only in entirely the wrong project (it should be under Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games), it shouldn't be placed in the top of the requests but rather on the bottom. - ZakuSage 23:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Get some help for your page ownership issues and stop trying to stonewall improvements to the article, then we'll get along fine. RunedChozo 22:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no ownership problems, remember to Wikipedia:Assume good faith. I'm not trying to stonewall improvements to the article; cluttering it with firmware features and mentions of firmware for every feature just makes it a mess, as can be seen in a previous version from a few months ago. - ZakuSage 23:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It's perfectly possible to make a clean article while mentioning the firmware at which a feature was changed or introduced, yes you ARE just trying to stonewall any improvements to the article, and you're probably a Sony plant or fanboy. RunedChozo 23:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't get your way so you're continuing to make personal attacks? Cries of "FANBOY!"? Please stop this childish behaviour, it has no place here. I enjoy my GameCube and Xbox just as much as I do my PSP. - ZakuSage 23:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I support ZakuSage's edits, not only on substance and reason but on the grounds that every time RunedChozo comes around one of these articles he picks a fight. -- mattb @ 2007-01-24T23:36Z

I'm not "picking a fight", ZakuSage's the one trying to own the article. If you have a real reason that we shouldn't mention when a feature was introduced I'm all ears, but I doubt you'll bother to act in good faith, Zaku certainly doesn't. RunedChozo 23:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't an instruction guide or marketing material. That said, except for the last two sentences of the Firmware section, I think it's ok as it stands in the current version. To that, I'll add that I think the article as a whole is bloated and needs alot of trimming. Lastly, it does seem to me that RunedChozo is out of line. Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems like he's just going out of his way to try and get me banned for no good reason. I'd imagine it has something to do with his previous grudge against me as seen here. - ZakuSage 00:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with runedchozo about an an expansion of the firmware portion of the article. It struck me as rather odd that it goes into absolutely no detail. While ZukaSage maintains that RunedChozo is merely here to attack and berate people, ZukaSage does merely dismiss RCs comments rather than discuss and come to consensus. Besides ZukaSage, didn't you just scold runechozo on Wikipedia:Assume good faith? --Thaddius 14:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I want ZakuSage to explain - even though I know he can't because it's completely indefensible - how it is that, when mentioning a feature on the PSP that wasn't in the original 1.0 firmware, a simple "This feature was added in Version X.XX of the firmware" sentence is "unacceptable" or "bloats" the article. RunedChozo 14:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you look at the previous version I supplied, when the article was a mess of firmware versions? Hell, the word "firmware" is used 33 times in it! - ZakuSage 16:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to recreate that version, but I think that mentioning when a feature was added in Firmware is a good thing. This can be done in an encyclopedic way that does not detract from the readability of the article. Your insane opposition to an old version of the article and to even mentioning that the PSP firmware did not always have the features it has now is quite scary, as is your refusal to put forth any remotely plausible reasoning why these edits do not improve the article.

Screw it. I'm going to create a side version and fix it myself and just upload it when I'm done. You're obviously not interested in actually improving Wikipedia since you refuse to answer a simple question. RunedChozo 16:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC) I've created the page and started on it. If anyone has helpful suggestions feel free to edit it, it's at User:RunedChozo/PSP Temp Workspace. ZakuSage, you're invited too, but if you start being unhelpful I'll report you. RunedChozo 17:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

If you'd stop being such a dick we might actually be able to work together. Unforunitely, you seem to hate the very idea of a wiki and just want to have everything your way. - ZakuSage 19:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"You're a [[dick]], [[dick]. Feel better now? I just welcomed you to work on my own workspace version where I'm trying to create a better version of this page, and this is how you respond? You still haven't answered a simple question, and you're spending your time attacking me personally and making lying accusations against me, so I have to conclude you aren't here to make wikipedia any better at all. RunedChozo 19:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:KETTLE, people. Nifboy 20:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

User:RunedChozo/PSP Temp Workspace has been improved and edited and I've tried putting the list of Firmware changes into a table to see how that looks. Comments from anybody but ZakuSage are welcome and requested, he's already proven he can't behave himself, all he does is leave harassing messages on the talk page that have no helpful suggestions at all. I want to make this article as good as it can be. RunedChozo 20:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

More lies, more lies. Wait until your little trail of vandalism on your sockpuppet page catches up with you. Justice will be served against your harassment of ME. - ZakuSage 20:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You can stop lying any time now Zaku. Your edits offered NO helpful suggestion and were clearly just there to harass. RunedChozo 20:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop it, both of you

Because, quite clearly, no civility is going on here. Nifboy 23:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

At this point, as far as I'm concerned, the matter is now settled. I'll no longer be taking part in any more discussion on whether not to include firmware versions in this page, and it'll be left for the rest of the community to decide. I'll continue to avoid this user in the future. - ZakuSage 02:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is this article locked down? That's not right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PSPMario (talk • contribs) 01:26, 28 January 2007.

It's to prevent vandalism from IPs and new users. What's "not right" about that? // PoeticDecay 03:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought the point was so that new people could fix things. What an elitist behavior.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PSPMario (talk • contribs)

Yes, preventing vandalism is elitism. Makes perfect sense. Don't worry, it'll be editable again soon. Then you can fix whatever is wrong with the article. --Thaddius 04:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, you're a signed up user so you can edit it anyway, what are you worried about? --Thaddius 04:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

It still won't let me edit it.

Possible PSP 2?

I heard that Sony is in the works for a PSP 2 with a hard drive. To try and compete with the Ipod. If this is true we should definetly mention it in the article

I don't think it should be added since it's only a rumor. Until it's confirmed, it should stay out. Juggaleaux 05:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)