Talk:Flag of Afghanistan

Current Afghan flag?

Is there any official announcement about flag from the current government yet? There seems to be contradicting news and even violence in places like Jalalabad and Kabul etc [1]. Khestwol (talk) 11:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

There has been no official announcement. There has been no announcement mentioning a flag at all. There was a vaguely flag-like graphic posted by a Taliban official, and people largely assumed it was a flag. Strong request for removal of the graphic from the page until the assumption is deemed to have an inkling of truth. Horizons_1 (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for double-checking this. I've blanked d:Q108153802 and undone links to it until some new flag can be corroborated more rigorously. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 19:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Has one been corroborated by now?--Aréat (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2021

Hi Dear! We have removed the terrorist group of Taliban flag Because the Taliban is a terrorist group that has taken over Afghanistan by force and is not approved by the Afghan people and the international community. Since Wikipedia is popular with the people of Afghanistan and the world, they should not support terrorists and bullies. We have replaced the main flag of Afghanistan to support the people of Afghanistan who are not accepted Taliban as their government. Please do not support this terrorist group and approve our editing.

Thank you on behalf of the oppressed people of Afghanistan Mostafa.khavari71 (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. We are not supporting one group over another, merely reporting the information in reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi- new here, so apologies for my ignorance in the process. I still see the terrorist flag instead of the actual, world-recognized, (Green, Black, and Red) Afghan flag. Can someone please help update this? The flag currently depicted is not in line with reality and is highly offensive to all Afghan people worldwide. 19:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC) Jesuskwice (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Archives are bogus

The archived talk page linked from near the top of this page only starts in August 2021. What happened to all the discussions before that? AnonMoos (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC on current flag

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Now that consensus has been reached to use only the IEA flag in the Afghanistan article (consensus link), what should be done here?

• A: Use only the IEA flag, treating the IRA flag as a former flag.
• B: State that the current flag is disputed between the IEA flag and the IRA flag. 02:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC) ― Tartan357 ^Talk 09:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Adding a third option:

• C: Treat the IRA flag as a former flag, include the IEA flag, record change of regime, but say no formal announcement has been made to date about its use as a national flag. Pincrete (talk) 16:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Option B Add both flags in one single infobox. Treat the IEA flag as the main flag and the IRA flag as a "variant flag" (the infobox will render variant flags a bit smaller than the main flag). Don't just use "disputed" but rather caption/footnote the IRA flag as the flag of a former government which still enjoys international recognition.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

• B: For the moment, until there is further resolution of the countries status (and flag). Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
• B. Still no official announcement from Afghanistan. Khestwol (talk) 10:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

  Here's a source: [2]. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 00:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

  Yes, but that's not an official announcement: the white Taliban flag was raised over the presidential palace, replacing the Afghan national flag. A Taliban official said the leadership still hasn’t made a final decision on the flag, with many leaning toward eventually flying both banners side by side.[3] ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 23:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

A Taliban official said the leadership still hasn’t made a final decision on the flag, with many leaning toward eventually flying both banners side by side.

• B, pending an official announcement by Afghanistan. Idealigic (talk) 19:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
• There was no consensus on the flag in particular at Talk:Afghanistan, the linked RfC does not mention flags, and was closed out of process by the user who opened it. That said, I agree with above that we can't use A as we don't have sources for it. We should follow reliable sources, and when they start saying that the Taliban flag is the flag of Afghanistan, so should this article, but not until that point. Under the previous period of Taliban rule, their flag did not become the flag that represented Afghanistan. CMD (talk) 14:36, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
• B, but perhaps support wording suggesting it is a de facto flag as per the talk page discussion mentioned by CMD. Pinging @Seloloving:, @Aréat:, @ThatDohDude:, @Kappasi: and @Czello:, who also took part in that discussion. –Bangalamania (talk) 20:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

• A, Ytpks896 (talk) 10:38, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
• A IRA is a former regime. Even its remnant in Panjshir raised their own flag, not IRA's. What sources assert that "there is a dispute regarding Afghan flag?" Within Afghanistan, there is no dispute, is there?--Drako (talk) 22:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
• A. Super Ψ Dro 08:40, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
• A It's standard practice to display de facto flags even in the absence of any legal documents making them de jure. It's incredibly often in the realm of vexillology articles that we have nothing more to work off of than photographs. Respectfully, CMD's statement about the previous period of Taliban rule is untrue. Their flag did become the national flag from 1996 to 2001. The Taliban never made any distinction between "the Taliban" and "the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan."  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:58, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Untrue? Britannica says much the same. CMD (talk) 04:10, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
    • With all due respect, this source actually verified what I said. "The [Islamic State of Afghanistan] government that adopted that [tricolor] flag was reduced to control over only a few provinces in the north by 1997, but internationally its flag was still recognized for Afghanistan. An even more reactionary Muslim group known as the Taliban, which controlled the rest of the country, flew white flags emblazoned with Arabic inscriptions."  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
      • You stated that what I said was untrue. What I said was "their flag did not become the flag that represented Afghanistan". The quote you place above says "internationally its flag was still recognized for Afghanistan". I'm not sure how the quote relates to your other statements above. CMD (talk) 07:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
• A per Vanilla Wizard. We don't need to wait for a press release or other official declaration that this is the "flag of Afghanistan"; we know it is because we have plenty of sources saying it's being used as a symbol of the new government. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 01:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
• A - as that's the flag of the country, now. GoodDay (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
• A, as above. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 08:50, 12 October 2021 (UTC) (summoned by robot)
• A, per above. I echo User:Sicaspi in asking if there are any sources actually saying there is a dispute regarding the flag? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC) (Summoned by bot)
• A per above. 777burger ^{user talk contribs} 00:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• A, Use the IEA flag. Noorullah21 (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• A Unless and until the IRA starts existing again, and has some semblance of power over Afghanistan, it's flag is definitionally a former one. Use the IEA flag, it's the flag of who is in charge right now. BSMRD (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• A - Since consensus was already reached on this issue on the more general article, I see no reason to have it a different way on this, more specific article. PraiseVivec (talk) 20:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
• B I think this is a slightly different situation than over at Afghanistan as flags are also critical in international relations, sporting, etc. and not just a reflection of the status quo in the country. The IRA flag is still used at some sporting events following the takeover, and the IEA does not have international recognition, and so while I believe that on the Afghanistan page it should reflect the reality that the IEA is in charge of the country, I think the flag page should take a more nuanced view on the matter. WittyWidi (talk) 14:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
• B The flag of the Islamic Emirate is not recognised, now used to represent Afghanistan anywhere internationally - from sporting events to embassies. Afghan embassies and diplomatic offices still fly the flag of the Islamic Republic. But the Emirate controls the country and is the de facto government. So I guess botu flags should be flown, since flags are important in international relations and sporting events. I think a consensus can be reached after they play their first match at the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup and we get to see what flag is flown there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sng Pal (talk • contribs) 12:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
• A - 'cause IRA has ceased to exist. Peter Ormond 💬 15:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
• Not A. The arguments for "A" that are not outright votes are based on original research; "that's the flag of the country" and similar. Reliable and independent sources, however, which are what we must base our decision on, such as the BBC continue to use the the flag of the Republic, and so "A" is not acceptable. I'm not certain that "B" is ideal, but it does align to our sources better than "A" and so I will lightly support it in the absence of a better option. BilledMammal (talk) 09:31, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
• Voting option A.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:49, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
• B - This is based primarily on the fact that the IRA flag is still apparently being used for sporting events. I think obviously the page could be better arranged. FOARP (talk) 11:24, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
• Not A unless there are sources available that state that the Taliban flag is the current flag of Afghanistan. Not B because we shouldn't say it's disputed unless we have sources that say that. We should instead lay out the situation, making it clear how the flags are used (e.g. The Taliban flag is widely used by the regime and the tricolour is used outside Afghanistan and for sporting events.) I note that the opening statement is somewhat misleading as per CMD above, and that there is an ongoing discussion on this point at Talk:Afghanistan. Kahastok talk 10:10, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

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FLAG dispute

The flag is still disputed as you will see nobody use the current flag. All diaspora and Afghan Teams use the Islamic Republic flag, as well as all internet features such as this one 🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫

This is unlikely to change anytime soon as the flag of the Islamic State of Afghanistan (1992-2002) was still the official flag used everywhere after the Taliban took control.

You will even see the civilians on the street using it, hencewhy it made no sense to do such change. PanjshirLions (talk) 03:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)