Talk:Black Stone

Wrong or fabricated references. Recommend to remove sentence

Section 'History and Tradition'

"However, the silver frame was placed on the Black Stone to secure the fragments, after the original stone was broken.[31][32]"

I have checked both references 31 and 32

31 Burke, John G. (1991). Cosmic Debris: Meteorites in History. University of California Press. p. 222. ISBN 978-0-520-07396-8.
32 Hassan, Ashraf (1991). Cenap Çakmak (ed.). Islam: A Worldwide Encyclopedia [4 volumes]. ABC-CLIO. p. 262. ISBN 978-1-61-069217-5.

the statement made is firstly not discussed in the 2 books referenced (Hassan Ashraf's book is available on google books check page 262). Furthermore such a statement does not represent a majority view of scholars even if it was mentioned in some source (wrong representation).

In the interest of an honest representation of the matter at hand I recommend deletion of this unfounded/unreferenced statement. Alernatively a new section should be written to discuss the scholarly views on the framing of the black stone plus maybe architectural aspects of the Kaaba and its embedded artefacts.

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2021

Remove

A 1315 illustration from the Jami al-Tawarikh, inspired by the Sirah Rasul Allah story of Muhammad and the Meccan clan elders lifting the Black Stone into place.

Hk2084! (talk) 16:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

References

•  Not done. @Hk2084!: There is no reason given to remove that image. It is relevant to the article section. If you are offended by it, see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ to learn how to configure your account to avoid seeing images like this. Wikipedia is not censored for your benefit. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I am requesting the painting to be removed or replaced with the image showing only the black stone because this picture is unreliable as it has not been approved by qualified Islamic experts. If not approved, then it is misleading and has no substantial ground to it. The painting is not from a reliable source and so it is not verifiable. Moreover, Wikipedia states that information on their website should not be inconsistent. If you are describing the aspects of the culture and history of Islam to a certain user, the picture will contradict one of those aspects which once again reduces the reliability of the website. For example, if A has occurred then B should occur and so logically if A has not occurred then B too has not occurred. In this context, it means that if pictures of Prophet Muhammad(PEACE BE UPON HIM) are not allowed then Islamic culture does not have or approve of any such picture. But by showing this picture, you are stating that they might actually approve of it informally which is inconsistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hk2084! (talk • contribs) 21:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

The image needs no approval from "qualified Islamic experts" and its presence does not imply any such approval. Wikipedia is not an Islamic site, and it is not subject to Islamic rules. The image is a depiction, from a source credited to a notable Muslim author, by an ancient artist who intended no disrespect, and it is appropriate to illustrate the section where it appears. Reliability of any ancient painting of any historical figure (because photography did not exist then) has no bearing on its value in the article.

You are also flat-out wrong to say that pictures of Muhammad "are not allowed." They may not be allowed for you, but this prohibition is not universal among Muslim communities, as stated in Talk:Muhammad/FAQ Q1. See also Q2 for information about why an image needn't be authoritative. Again, see WP:NOTCENSORED and the answer you were given previously about how to avoid seeing the image if it offends you. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2021

Sir I request to you kindly remove illustration 1315 from History section as its wrong to show such illustration and is against islam.This will lead to anger in islamic community. HomaAbb (talk) 04:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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Kaaba sharif black stone story

Male 103.115.134.212 (talk) 21:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)