User talk:Richard3120

UK Year-End Singles Charts

Hi Richard,

I'm not a regular Wikipedia contributor, but am a massive fan of your input to the UK chart sections of songs. I have been researching year-end singles charts and have found myself frustrated at the lack of available information for the 1990s: can I ask how many Music Week editions you have with 90s year-end charts, and if you could share the top 100 data for these years?

Kind regards,

Ben :) 83.244.233.102 (talk) 04:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ben, thank you for the compliment – it's not a proper source, but scans from Record Mirror and Music Week are available at http://scans.chartarchive.org/UK/ ... pick the year and then the PDF file at the top of the list that says "UK charts 199x – Singles and albums". Please note, however, that the OCC have retrospectively changed some of these charts in the latter half of the decade, so they may not match what is on the OCC's website. Richard3120 (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

This is brilliant, thank you! I feel like for my purposes I'll just go off the lists as they were at the time :)

Briana

Hi. I saw that you edited Briana Buckmaster's talk page. However, that deletion request was from 2016, whereas the page was made in 2021 and I believe has more information including her theater work as well as an album she released. Can you delete that request since it's an old request or if you believe it should be deleted make a new discussion? Thanks.- J (talk) 16:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jacyf02: well, all I did was to add relevant WikiProject tags. You shouldn't remove any previous comments or deletion processes from any talk page, because they provide a history of the article. The fact that it was nominated and deleted in 2016 doesn't have any bearing on its recreation in 2021 and current state of the article, so I don't see why it's a problem to keep the old history. Richard3120 (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so does this mean that the current article is re-nominated? It just feels weird that an old deletion nomination on a current article. If it was a new deletion request, that would make sense, but this makes it seem that the current article is nominated for deletion. - J (talk) 16:32, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jacyf02: no it's not being nominated – it says quite clearly that the nomination and deletion was from September 2016. But it's necessary to keep the notice, because if an article gets nominated for deletion again, the nominator needs to know if it's been nominated before. Richard3120 (talk) 16:45, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

September 2021

I would like to talk to you in regards to having my page redirected after 14 years. My work has been mainly from the band Human Drama for 35 years. We have fans in over 80 countries. I have also recorded with Gene Loves Jezabel that was also included on one of the episodes on the series Everwood. Please reconsider. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:290:60e0:d534:1623:76fc:50ee (talk • contribs) 20:07, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm guessing by the fact you say "my page" that you are Mark Balderas. Firstly, the page for Human Drama is still there, it hasn't been deleted, and I have no intention of deleting it as the band clearly passes WP:BAND, in my opnion. Secondly, if you mean the separate article for Mark Balderas, please note that WP:BANDMEMBER states "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability.". And "individual notability" means that someone has discussed said notability outside of the band at length. Simply having a credit on a record sleeve isn't enough (thousands of musicians have that), or having the song played on a TV program... it's not particularly rare for an artist, even a completely unknown artist, to have their music played in the background of a TV episode. The sources in the original article were simply links to online record stores, blogs (which fail WP:RS), or talked about Human Drama. If you can find me any reliable independent sources which discuss your work outside of Human Drama in depth I will happily reconsider. Richard3120 (talk) 21:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC

Hi. I saw you've replied to an earlier thread on Template talk:Album chart. Would you consider offering your perspective, whatever it may be, at Template talk:Album chart#RfC on this template's format. Thanks. Ss112 12:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Mikey D

Hey i wish there was more sources to the Mikey D albums so I could add on reliable sources but this is all I could find. Record reviews? No where to be found. But I don't want these articles to disappear. Ceedub88 (talk) 00:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ceedub88: And that's the problem, there are no reliable sources, so these albums fail WP:V and WP:NALBUM. And we don't keep articles on Wikipedia just because an editor wants them, otherwise anybody could add anything they wanted, and that's not what an encyclopedia is about. Richard3120 (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Latin music project scope coverage update

Hey there Richard! Since you tag WikiProjects, I just wanted to give you an update on the Latin music project. Per this discussion, the Latin music project now covers all Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking recordings from around the world regardless of release. Previously, only those released in Ibero-America or the US was eligible. So whether it was only released in Greece, Angola, or whatever, if the album/song is in Spanish or Portuguese, it falls under the project scope. Thanks again as always for banner tags. Erick (talk) 21:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: thanks for the heads up, I'll try and remember that in future (it doesn't automatically come to mind when you see a Japan-only release...). Richard3120 (talk) 21:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I forgot to mention that indigenous and other dialects from Ibero-American countries falls under the scope as well so that would include the languages from the native people of Colombia. For instrumental music, Ibero-America (which includes Spain and Portugal) is still main focus of the project and it's somewhat complicated, so I'll do my best to explain. An Albanian instrumental group that performs vallenato would be included just as an instrumental Colombian rock group would be as that genre is popular in Colombia. But a Colombian instrumental group performing Arabic music wouldn't be included. I use the same criteria for Latin instrumental music the Latin Grammy does on their website (the description is under Best Instrumental Album). I hope that helped at least somewhat on how instrumental music articles are tagged on the Latin music project. Erick (talk) 21:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: yep, got it, thanks. Now you've got me thinking what an Albanian group performing vallenato would sound like... Richard3120 (talk) 21:58, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Re:A/The Cruel Angel's Thesis

Hi, Richard. Well. As I mentioned before, it seems that the official title is The Cruel Angel's Thesis. You can read it in the title of the 2018 re-release and the official YT video by King Records. I'm gonna request to move the article accordingly. I forgot to do this before since I'm kinda busy in RL. Or you want to do this on your own?--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 12:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

@TeenAngels1234: no, go ahead when you have the time... I'm also busy! Richard3120 (talk) 23:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Est-ce que tu viens pour les vacances?

Hi, Richard. I saw you moved the "Est-ce que tu viens pour les vacances?" page, with the comment: "there shouldn't be a space before the question mark". I'm not familiar with WP rules on this issue, but it's a song in French-language, and Question mark#Stylistic variants says: "French usage should include a narrow non-breaking space before the question mark. (For example, "Que voulez-vous boire ?")" (see also fr:Wikipédia:Conventions typographiques#Signes de ponctuation on the French WP). Regards, Europe22 (talk) 20:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Europe22: I had no idea about that, thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll revert it right away, and let other editors argue over whether it should have a space or not. Richard3120 (talk) 20:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

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Wow – I am genuinely gobsmacked by this. Thank you to Buster7 for the award, and thank you to Clovermoss for the kind nomination... I'm glad I could be of help. Richard3120 (talk) 23:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Congratulations - well deserved. Btljs (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

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Review

HI @Richard3120: Are you up for taking a look at these albums and telling me if you think their kosher. Toby Arrives, Truth (Guy King album) and Plays Well with Others (Greg Koch album). Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 23:53, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi scope_creep... you're not the first person to have questioned the editor who wrote these articles, but they don't seem very interested in responding [1]. It's difficult to say: Plays Well with Others only has two sources, but they are both from proper magazines, so I don't think this would be deleted at AfD. For Toby Arrives, I think American Blues Scene would just about pass as a reliable source, but I don't like the look of the others. For Truth Vintage Guitar and Blues Blast are real magazines, and Elmore might be as well, I'm not sure. Bluesdoodles and CBG definitely won't pass RS though, neither will the roots charts that are quoted. Richard3120 (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard3120: That is a good review. Personally, I don't have much experience with these types of muscians scope_creep^Talk 13:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard3120: No Afd I guess. scope_creep^Talk 13:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Scope creep: yeah, I don't think these albums are certain to be deleted at AfD... the sourcing is bad at the moment, but Greg Koch is quite well known as a blues guitarist, and there are some famous guest musicians on these albums, so it's likely that more sources exist. Richard3120 (talk) 00:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard3120: Thankfully I never posted them to Afd. I don't even recognise the guys name. I don't know if he is famous in the UK or Europe or what, or was famous. Years ago, in the 90's when I stayed in student digs, we always listened to loads of blues albums, and you would expect some inkling of the dude but no clue. Thanks for doing the review. scope_creep^Talk 00:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Do They Know It's Christmas?

On the page for the Band Aid song, you took out the genre Christmas, which, because the song is clearly themed around Christmas, makes no sense. Why would it need a source? 47.36.25.163 (talk) 00:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Because all genres need a source. You can put it back and I won't revert it, but if it ever goes up for a review, I doubt anyone would let it be included without a source, and it's quite possible it will get removed again by another editor. Richard3120 (talk) 02:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Dirth

Hi, I have noticed that Dirth page has been recently delated. I was a member of this band but I have to agree that whoever did the page did not provide all information and links available.

I was trying to update the Dirth page yesterday but it was too late.

So the Dirth band existed, we have recorded 2 albums and played gigs in London for 3 years. Then in 2008 the the group has stopped. Members Alec Whittier, John Moss, Mat Drozd, Gerald Lim.

(I have all live shows recorded as well as all songs ever created on my hard disc and there is a plan to release the albums this year.)

Can the Dirth Wikipedia page be live again?

Please let me know.

Kind regards Mat

www.mdmusicproducer.com Musicfanatic007 (talk) 13:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mat – basically you would have to be able to show that the band passes WP:GNG and WP:BAND. The existence of albums and live shows isn't enough... you would need to provide evidence that the band was notable. This means things like articles about the band or reviews of the albums in reputable music magazines like NME or The Skinny, or established online music websites like The Line of Best Fit or Clash. Blogs or anything directly related to the band or their record label management would not be considered independent and impartial, so official websites or social media (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc.) don't prove the band was notable either. If you have any magazine clippings that can be cited, they are acceptable... sources don't have to be online to be acceptable. Hope this helps. Richard3120 (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Richard! I will have look at this and ask other members for sources but Gerald is in Singapore, Alec in Florida and I have not heard from them as they have changed their numbers due to other countries roaming. John Moss is still in London, I am in Nottingham we are all busy with current projects so it might take some time...

Regards Mateusz

www.mdmusicproducer.com Musicfanatic007 (talk) 10:02, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

If you can tell me something like "I remember we were interviewed by The Guardian and Q magazine around the time the first album came out" then I can have a look in the British Library archives next time I'm in the UK... they have copies of almost all the British newspapers and music magazines from the past. So if you recall any interviews with journalists, that would be helpful for the future. Richard3120 (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Romeo Santos - Utopía Live from MetLife Stadium

Hi Richard3120,

    I wanted to thank you for letting me know about what is missing for the article "Utopía Live from MetLife Stadium". This album is from one of the most famous Latin music artist in history. So I will try to add more info about the live album. Please don't remove it nor redirect it. The album came out last year so it is a little hard to find more information about it. I can add the "needs more citation and verification" tag that some articles have or I can save this as a draft. This album is from a notable musician which is one of the requirements from the WP:NALBUM. I will add more to it. Soon there should be a few music charts in which the album has on. I think the album itself had less advertisement then it's film version. But I know I will get more info on it since it's from one of the greatest in Latin Music. Everything he releases always makes it to mainstream articles and I know I can make sure it has valid reasons to be kept on Wikipedia. I actually created another album article of his a few years back when he was with his group known as  Aventura. It took me three tries and it was finally approved because I showed the proper proof of articles. It was based on a 1995 album the group did before being famous. The Spanish Wikipedia also has the same article. I know from experience how it's like to try to keep an article and it ends up getting removed at the end. I actually created an album article for a another bachata group call Xtreme. It was not approved by other Wiki users because of lack of resources. So I do understand your point of view about Romeo Santos's live album. I will try my best to make sure it fits the WP:NALBUM rules. My first few edits were when I first started editing on Wiki were questioned by other users but eventually I got to learn to add sources and continue to show the right proof. So once I again I thank you for letting me know more or less what is missing for the live album.

Thank You,

DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk). 12:54pm est, 10 January 2022

Hi DominicanWikiEdit1996... I live in Colombia, so I am very familiar with the music of Romeo Santos and Aventura, and of course he is a very famous artist in Latin music, as you say. But being a famous artist doesn't mean that all his records are automatically notable and deserve a Wikipedia article... as it states at Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Albums, "An album requires its own notability, and that notability is not inherited and requires independent evidence. That an album is an officially released recording by a notable musician or ensemble is not by itself reason for a standalone article." And this is the problem here: I can't find any reliable sources about the album itself. I had a look on the Billboard website, and it doesn't seem like this album charted in the USA, not even on the Latin Albums chart. And it's very unlikely to appear on any charts in the future, because it has already been released for seven months. So if it has charted anywhere, you will have to search the archives of the album charts of various Latin American countries.

If I were you, I think I would move the article to draft space while you look for sources, because it's very likely that another editor will come along, look at this article, and reach the same conclusion that the album is not notable and doesn't have any good sources, and they will redirect it again. Richard3120 (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

You are right. It has been like seven month and for some reason it's not on a billboard chart in which I find strange. But it's like I mention before, I don't think the album itself got promoted as much as the film did. I may turn the article in to a film article of the concert instead of an album article. I may keep it as a draft per now until further notice. Thank You ones again Richard3120. I didn't have this problem with Trampa de Amor by Aventura. I think it was because it did end up getting approved and also since it was made before they had changed there name and before being signed to a record label, I guess no proof of the album being on the music charts was needed since it never made it to one. But it does have notability on it's own since it has been documented of it's existence and I did provided the articles to back up. I guess for the live album of Utopia, the situation is a little different even though it is Romeo Santos most recent released. I'm surprise it's not on any charts but it's like I mention before, it was barely promoted. I bet you are a little surprised as well about it. It is available all Anyways I'll see what I can do, but possibly this page may not last long based on what you have told me. It may stay permanently if I make it an article about the film of the concert instead or talk about his Utopia Tour since I don't see an article about it. Even though a link was added to his Bio page, it only redirects you to the studio album Utopia, which is what the concert was based on. Anyways, one again, thanks for the warning Richard3120. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk). 3:33pm est, 10 January 2022

@DominicanWikiEdit1996: I think you are right, this article has a much better chance of surviving as an article about the concert or the film of the concert, because all the sources are about that. Richard3120 (talk) 14:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Richard3120 I will make some changes to make sure it the article survives and maybe in the future converted back to a live album article or make a new one that does comply with the WP:NALBUM standards. On a side note, I made a mistake. The film was released back in June 25, 2021. The album was actually released on September 10, 2021. Anyways I am going to make sure both the film and album information is added and proven with sources. DominicanWikiEdit1996 (talk) 9:26pm est, 11 January 2022

This Is Not a Drill (Roger Waters)

Hello Richard! I noticed you moved an article about the forthcoming Roger Waters tour, This Is Not a Drill, redirecting to his. I have been working on a draft about the tour since it was announced back in January 2020. I submitted it once to AfC in April 2020, and since the first concert is near, I resubmitted it. I would like you to read it and let me know what you think about it. It has a background section and other information about the show, besides the list of dates. Any suggestion is well received. Thank you! --Mr00Mister (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Hitparadeitalia

Sorry, are you sure it is a personal site?--Potenza2021 (talk) 15:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

100% - it's listed at WP:BADCHARTSAVOID, and on the introduction page the author clearly states that none of the data is official, it's a mixture of available chart data and personal memories supplied by him and other people who write into the website. The website has been discussed before, and the consensus was that it's not reliable. Richard3120 (talk) 16:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok, sorry--Potenza2021 (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted my other edits about this add.--Potenza2021 (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Potenza2021: no problem, you weren't to know. And thank you for taking the time to revert your changes. I think there's valid issue here regarding Italian charts, though – we only have FIMI charts from 2000 onwards. But although the Hit Parade Italia "charts" are fictional, I need to investigate the Musica e dischi charts (and certifications) more thoroughly... I have a feeling these could be considered valid Italian charts for the 20th century. Richard3120 (talk) 15:57, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Awake (Tamta EP)

Hello Richard – I have three sources that were reviewed by escxtra.com, wiwibloggs.com and musicity.gr. Eleonorazoe (talk) 1:37, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Water (Water Saigon Kick album)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Water (Water Saigon Kick album)—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Paul McDonald (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Close needed

When you get the chance, can you look at this merge proposal and make a close. Thanks, GenQuest ^"scribble" 16:24, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi GenQuest, I've just come back from vacation, which is why I've barely been on Wikipedia for the last month. Of course I don't mind closing the proposal (I understand that as the proposer, you can't do it yourself), but I need to get up to speed with work first and other priorities, so it may take a few days before I can really come back to Wikipedia and look at it properly. Richard3120 (talk) 17:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely fine. Wikipedia has no deadlines, or so I'm told (try and take that to ANI or the other drama scenes). Whenever you can get to it is fine. It's been sitting for a while anyway, and not going anywhere. Hope you had a great vaca! Regards, GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

@GenQuest: thank you... first time back seeing my family in the UK since 2018! Sure, I just wanted to leave you a message to show I wasn't ignoring you. Glad to see you back on the WP:PAM page – I was getting a bit concerned about the lengthy list of proposals still awaiting closure on there, but didn't have time to do it myself. Richard3120 (talk) 17:19, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Glad they got to see you! Yes, I've been trying to get back to WP, as time allows. Thanks in advance! GenQuest ^"scribble" 17:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Please help, it’s urgent.

Hi richard, i'm not an user here but i've seen wikipedia talk pages a lot and seen that you are very likely prestigious here, you are an administrator and i'd like to know if there's any possibility that in the page of best-selling girl groups can be Fifth Harmony's Work From Home include in the top of the table of best-selling singles worlwide, the user Moonlight provided a source in Spanish from a latin radio station which comes Planet Radio but from Peru, so i don't know why they considered it unreliable, which they provided a 10 million claim, however some rude editors reverted it, despite the song having certified more than 8 million units which is very close and not exaggerated at all, ever since the song became a smash hit, everyone knows the song is pretty much the best selling from a girl group and this come from pure subjectivity i swear but there aren't other sources saying it cause they are disbanded and they are not as talked about as before? I was about to comment it to the user Moonlight to see what we can do but she has a block in her main page, so apparently she would not comeback for a while. 200.88.210.122 (talk) 03:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)