User talk:PHShanghai

Thank You

Thank you for fixing Nicki's lead it's perfect. Can you please work on Pink Friday because on the "Breakthrough with Pink Friday" it's written that the album was released on Nov 19 whereas the real release date is Nov 22. Plus please add nicki's streaming achievements because like Ariana and various artists.

Job Well Done!!! 197.184.183.60 (talk) 20:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

February 2022

Ola mate, about the recent changes you've made to Nicki Minaj for the most followed rapper being Notable but definitely not lead sentence worthy, I moved it to the third paragraph. I think you are in the wrong because there is a sentence about "animated flow…" how is that more important than being the most followed rapper in the world (amongst Drake, Eminem and Lil Wayne just to mention a few). The very same is in the opening statement of Kylie Jenner. I'll revert your changes as I'm asking you to reconsider. Thank you. Neo the Twin (talk) 12:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Neo the Twin: Instagram followers are superficial and definitely not lead-sentence worthy. Her style, her artistry, her music- that is MUCH more important than Instagram followers. We don't have "best selling artists of all time" in the lead sentence for the same reason. And Kylie is a C class article, something that's much more comparable is American singer Katy Perry, who is noted to be the most followed woman on Twitter in her third paragraph, not fourth. shanghai.^{talk to me} 18:45, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

RogueShanghai, thank you mate, you the best. Neo the Twin (talk) 19:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you shanghai.^{talk to me} 20:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Nicki Minaj, you may be blocked from editing. You know it's not okay to remove cited information from an article and replace them with what you may think it is true. If content is cited reliable source(s) please add to it rather than removing it altogether with its source. Neo the Twin (talk) 22:17, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

wat? shanghai.^{talk to me} 08:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

RogueShanghai, read the last paragraph. Neo the Twin (talk) 10:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Wat? What are you even talkin bout... shanghai.^{talk to me} 14:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

RogueShanghai, well it's okay, keep doing that and yourself indefinitely blocked. Don't say I did not warn you. Thanks! Neo the Twin (talk) 15:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Neo the Twin: You've randomly barged into my talk page saying I did something wrong but failed to say what it is, because I was just editing Nicki Minaj like normal. And then you are here making threats which violates WP:INTIMIDATE. This is article content and you're turning it into grounds for personal attacks. Very confusing and unprofessional. shanghai.^{talk to me} 16:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns

I noticed the discussion on ANI, and wanted to mention that you can configure your preferences (on User profile tab) to indicate your preferred pronouns. The option you select will be visible to other editors with nav pop-ups enabled when they hover over your signature. Cheers! Schazjmd (talk) 17:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: Actually, the most irritating part is that I've had my preferred pronouns set as they/them on my account for months now, (here's the proof) and I still don't know why he just can't use the right terms for me. It's either ignorance or malicious intent, and because this person has already thrown so many personal attacks at me before, I have a feeling it's leaning towards the latter.... shanghai.^{talk to me} 17:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

How strange, that preference doesn't show up in the pop-up. I don't understand why WMF wouldn't show they/them in the pop-up the same way it shows he/him and she/her. My apologies, I thought the pref configuration would help. Schazjmd (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Schazjmd: It's okay, you only tried to help. I just hate how people are acting like me being misgendered is just no big deal, because an editor with a history of rude personal attacks against me conveniently forgot to read my pronouns... sigh. shanghai.^{talk to me} 18:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Final warning

• If I catch you edit warring, especially with RonHerry, then you're going to receive a short block.
• If I see any more WP:NPA or WP:AGF violations, especially with RonHerry, you're going to receive a short block. I've told you repeatedly that you need to comment on disputes, not editors. Stop all the petty comments about being bitter or whatever.

You're both exhausting the community with all the bickering and reverting. And yes, Ron will get the same warning, and yes, I'll block you both if you both don't stop. It needs to stop now. Sergecross73 msg me 14:09, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you shanghai.^{talk to me} 03:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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oops rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 10:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

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Drag Race All Stars Season 7

Please bear in mind that you've expressed an opinion that "highs and lows" are important this season, though I'd argue that because the Queens themselves make the decision on how to award the stars and make no commentary on who was "High" its even less important than a normal drag race season. Secondly, WP:PRIMARY always applied - things should always be reliably sourced from third party sources. Thirdly read WP:CONSENSUS. You can't ramraid through a change based on purely your own opinion when there was been a consensus applied to all Drag Race articles based on procedure and policy. Just because the show is slightly different (in terms of format) doesn't mean it automatically earns an exemption from the existing consensus. Absence of discussion is not support for your views. The default state is the existing consensus. One consensus is only changed to another when there is evidence there is support for it. Reverting a change (which I did) shows that your edits were contested as going against the current standards. It is therefore incumbent upon you to get a new consensus. Until then, the article will remain in the default/supported state.

I hope that this is clear. If not, you need to begin an RFC, ask uninvolved editors to review your comments against the original consensus or perhaps ask the admin who imposed the original consensus. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 19:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1: If you read my original post proposing to readd highs, you can clearly see that I only supported adding highs and not lows. The show already says that these specific queens performed really highly that week. By your logic, is a third party source necessary to say the queens won too? Plus, you have made no comment about you reverting the accessibility and color changes I made to the template, yet you see it as righteous anyways. Your unwillingness to improve on the content and instead blindly reverting it is obvious WP:STONEWALLING. I'm out of here, I can't deal with an editor who actually wants to remove content rather than add to it. rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 19:23, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what the heck you're on about. If your edits were purely about adding information that would be fine. The consensus was about not including highs and lows. Nothing in your edits suggesting there was anything to add or anything significantly improved to accessibility and colour. Additionally, the wins are not controversial - there's no debate over who wins each episode. Per WP:V, things that are not controversial don't need sourcing. However there is a level of subjectivity and WP:FANCRUFTy about highs and lows which is why there were disallowed in the first place; they resulted in edit wars and couldn't be verified. There's no sense of righteousness in promoting an existing consensus and applying wikipedia guidelines. You have not explained why your edits are an improvement, simply an opinion that is not supported by policy and does not explain (based on readability, accessibility or policy) why the existing consensus should not apply. There is nothing self-righteous about this. If anything it demonstrates a complete lack of good faith and proceeds to trash my reputation unfairly just because I called you out for improperly assuming that no opposition is the same as not opposed. There's a difference between asking you to explain your edits and source them with guidance and discussion as they seek to change consensus versus outright WP:STONEWALLING someone. Its a shame that you're "leaving" because someone disagreed with you. However, if you're not mature enough to discuss your disagreements or follow the community consensus or community approach to resolving differences and can't adhere to wikipedia then maybe wikipedia isn't for you. I don't appreciate your comments about "removing content, rather than adding to it" or being referred to as needing to be "dealt with". It reeks of incivility. I'm not going to add any more here as its clear we have different perspectives and aside from calling out a personal attack from you, I don't care for an argument. Happy to continue discussing improvements to the article at its relevant talk page. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 19:37, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1:

"There is a level of subjectivity and fancruft with HIGHS in AS7"

"Highs couldn't be verified"

"Things that are not controversial don't need sourcing"

If you bothered to read it, I wrote an entire section literally disproving all of that and proving it is easily verifiable which went uncontested for an entire month despite me also crossposting it to the Drag Race Wikiproject. When I made that edit, I specifically asked for people to use the talk page first before reverting.

Heck, you even reverted to my table with the highs but then waited TWO entire weeks to go "Oh this is actually consensus so you can't do it this way!!" You never once actually asked me personally to explain my edits, and even if you did, I already have a detailed verifiable explanation on the talk rpage which has been consistent for eight episodes straight now. I'm not "unfairly" trashing your reputation, your "my way or no way" edit warring is doing all the talking about your "reputation" for you.

But fine. Go ahead. Bickering over a reality TV show's table being a certain way is not worth my time and I don't understand why it is worth yours. If you have passive aggressive tone in your statements such as "ramraid through a change based on purely your own opinion" (and not to repeat myself again, but I have literally given evidence which is clearly not an unverifiable opinion), I don't think you're actually open to creating a non-toxic collaborative environment. Good day.

and saying "I'm out of here, I can't deal with an editor who actually wants to remove content rather than add to it." isn't passive aggressive? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

P.S. WP:AAGF: Ironically, the very act of citing AGF can suggest an assumption of bad faith, since one is assuming that the other is not also assuming good faith. rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 17:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

its clear you're assuming bad faith as you assumed I don't want to collaborate or that I was being self-righteous. And you've accused me of bickering. A well detailed explanation that does not address the concerns which led to the original consensus demonstrates exactly why the consensus exists in the first place. There was a pile on of editors and over-zealous fans changing things to ensure that other series of drag race had highs and lows each episode even though in many episodes it was never 100% clear. The absence of high quality or reliable sources and edit warring is what led to the consensus to not include them at all. Your argument was that "highs and lows" matter even more this season which is highly subjective. The only thing which is 100% certain is that there has been two top competitors each episode whom are awarded stars. Everything else matters not and is fancruft-y because fans have given importance to Highs and Lows. These have never been a formal part of the show, though Ru has on many occasions awarded "tops and bottoms", usually the top two or three and bottom two or three. Given in this season that the winner picks who to block there's no relevance of tops and bottoms. Queens play their own rules for who they choose. In the most recent episode Jada was blocked despite not being in "the bottom". It really isn't relevant. If you're actually genuinely interested in the point of view that such information was useful start a WP:RFC which would be a constructive way to get uninvolved editors to comment independently. Otherwise its pretty much you and I expressing different opinions, and thus the existing consensus stands. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 20:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

August 2022

Please do not remove information from articles, as you did to Boyz (Jesy Nelson song). Wikipedia is not censored, and content is not removed on the sole grounds of perceived offensiveness. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material. If the content in question involves images, you also have the option to configure Wikipedia to hide the images that you may find offensive. Thank you. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

It's not perceived offensive. Your text just had no source attached to it. I literally created the article. rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 18:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	You have value as an individual. Please never forget that and always stay positive about your contributions to the project. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 04:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

@MJL: Hi. Thank you so much for this barnstar. After some particularly traumatic things happening in my personal IRL life, it's hard to find the motivation to edit Wikipedia anymore. What's the point? I just check in occasionally since I'm already logged in. Anyways. Thanks. All love. rogueshanghai^{chat (they/them)} 12:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I mean, do the things you enjoy and makes you feel less terrible. If one of those things is editing, then continue to edit! If not, there's nothing wrong with that.

Regardless, I hope you feel better about what's going on IRL for you. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

You seem like a cool person. We're the same age and we're both fans of Nic, Katy, and Gaga. Also, your contributions are high quality. Have a nice day:) Castlepalace 11:15, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi! Thank you so much. If you'd ever like to hit me up and talk outside of Wikipedia, we can exchange Discords or something :) ^w^ PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 04:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Lol forgot the ping @Castlepalace: PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 04:15, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@PHShanghai Hey sure, give me your Discord Castlepalace 15:04, 26 August 2022 (UTC)