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:::::::::The word "loon" is short for "not a reliable source because they believe far-out stuff which, according to mainstream consensus, is not justified by the evidence." There is no reason to believe that the opinions of politicians are any more reality-based than those of a random person. They are not reliable sources. One of the purposes of secret services is misleading the secret services of other states. They are not reliable sources. When a ufologist can not identify a flying object, that is not astonishing because it is the job of a ufologist to not identify flying objects. They are not reliable sources. Maybe you should just read [[WP:RS]].
:::::::::The word "loon" is short for "not a reliable source because they believe far-out stuff which, according to mainstream consensus, is not justified by the evidence." There is no reason to believe that the opinions of politicians are any more reality-based than those of a random person. They are not reliable sources. One of the purposes of secret services is misleading the secret services of other states. They are not reliable sources. When a ufologist can not identify a flying object, that is not astonishing because it is the job of a ufologist to not identify flying objects. They are not reliable sources. Maybe you should just read [[WP:RS]].
:::::::::[[WP:CIV]] says, {{tq|Stated simply, editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect.}} In other words, you are wrong when you disagree. Can you now stop digressing and [[WP:FOCUS]]? --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 14:36, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::[[WP:CIV]] says, {{tq|Stated simply, editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect.}} In other words, you are wrong when you disagree. Can you now stop digressing and [[WP:FOCUS]]? --[[User:Hob Gadling|Hob Gadling]] ([[User talk:Hob Gadling|talk]]) 14:36, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::I am still awaiting a response to the original "loon" references you made, ostensibly to ridicule those who study UFOs whether they are politicians, editors, or anyone else. Again, I would respectfully ask you strike-out those references, or reword in a neutral way. [[Special:Contributions/136.34.135.202|136.34.135.202]] ([[User talk:136.34.135.202|talk]]) 15:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


:::It’s just [[WP:SENSATIONAL]] clickbait based on speculations of a ufologist: {{tq|UFO researcher Douglas Johnson has spotted what might as well be the first-ever admission from the U.S. government that specific UFO sightings have non-human origins, Vice said in its report.}} Unfortunately some media outlets indulge in this sort of thing. [[User:LuckyLouie|- LuckyLouie]] ([[User talk:LuckyLouie|talk]]) 13:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
:::It’s just [[WP:SENSATIONAL]] clickbait based on speculations of a ufologist: {{tq|UFO researcher Douglas Johnson has spotted what might as well be the first-ever admission from the U.S. government that specific UFO sightings have non-human origins, Vice said in its report.}} Unfortunately some media outlets indulge in this sort of thing. [[User:LuckyLouie|- LuckyLouie]] ([[User talk:LuckyLouie|talk]]) 13:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

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Foo Fighter

No explanation as to why it belongs under Extraterrestrial Hypothesis. See Foo fighter; no connection to ETH. Does not belong in that place. Kortoso (talk)—Preceding undated comment added 19:53, 7 November 2013

Extraterrestrial?

There seems to be a bias in this article regarding the potential source of the phenomenon. The article assumes that UFOs would be extraterrestrial if they were to actually exist. This assumption ignores the high likelihood that such objects, and their pilots, could be from earth. The deep oceans and earth's crust could just as likely be the origin of some sort of sentient species. The article pushes the bias that such crafts are space fairing vessels but there's no evidence that they can even operate in the vacuum of space. What I'm saying is that this article is about an unknown phenomenon and it shouldn't be trying to exclude explanations. If these are vehicles piloted by non human pilots, its actually much more likely that they'd be from earth. Earth's crust is huge and there's plenty of places for an undiscovered species to exist.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the article shouldn't take the bias that, if some UFOs are from a different civilization, they'd have to be from another planet. [— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2d80:6304:c00:95e5:1eb1:a612:3185 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We follow the reliable sources. If reliable sources talk a lot about the loons who believe UFOs are vehicles driven by extraterrestrials and very little about the loons who think UFOs are vehicles driven by elves, that's how it is. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why call people who believe, or think that UFOs are ET, loons, when scientists like Hynek and Vallee (among others) supported the hypothesis?Chantern15 (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2021 (UTC)chantern15[reply]
You start from the wrong assumption that those groups are mutually exclusive. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:37, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Loons? The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (a bipartisan group of 14 Senators) just unanimously passed legislation in Aug. 2022 concerning the additional work needed to classify these threats to national security, and even stated in a very public way many are "not man-made", and the "threats to national security are increasing exponentially." If your intent is to ridicule others on this talk page, I would suggest you re-read the rules of Wikipedia concerning this issue. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I checked the sources for this assertion (Vice, The Hill, etc.) and it turns out to be clickbait: Congress *seems* to infer that UFOs are not man-made, according to some individuals misinterpretation. And the original source for this misinterpretation is, you guessed it, a ufologist. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
what is the source this was a "mis-interpretation"? I just finished reading all 135 pages of Senate Bill 4503, and I would direct your attention to page 106 and 107 of said draft Senate Bill. The bill specifically mentions segregating "transmedium objects" which cannot be explained as "man-made". When the word "seems" is used in the articles you looked-up, it would appear to be appropriate language given the actual source contained in Senate Bill 4503. By the way, Dr. Michio Kaku, Dr. Garry Nolan, and many other prominent scientists have publicly-stated the burden of proof is now on the skeptics. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 21:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
after you have finished reading page 106 and 107 of the draft Senate Bill 4503, I would suggest reading the additional pages from 108 through 117. Those pages are pretty "interesting" too. I was a skeptic too. It's ok. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 22:19, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/s4503/BILLS-117s4503rs.pdf#page=106
Just in case you would like to read the actual bill rather than rely on newspaper articles, here is the actual text from draft Senate Bill 4503. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sifting WP:PRIMARY sources and interpreting them yourself...no thanks. Regarding the WP:EXTRAORDINARY claims and/or speculation that the US government has somehow declared alien technology exists, I'll wait for multiple reliable sources. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:29, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I get it. I too was a skeptic to the "nth" degree. I am not even sure it is "alien". Maybe "it" has been here all along. Maybe "it" is a master of illusion. One thing is for absolute certain: no politician will stand a chance on a podium declaring that "UFOs exist, we don't know what they are, who they are, or how they operate, and we have no defense for preventing incursions into our domain." Half the people wouldn't believe it, the other half would empty the store shelves. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 22:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Life would be more exciting if proof that UFOs were alien spacecraft/transdimension beings/supernatural hoodoo/etc. was due to be confirmed any day now, but ufo enthusiasts have been promising that since the 1950s - and it hasn't happened yet.- LuckyLouie (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are still wrongly assuming that two groups of people are mutually exclusive. This time the groups are senators and loons, or maybe congresspeople and loons.
Your opinion does not matter, and it does not matter that you had another opinion once. We have follow the reliable sources - see WP:RS - and the reliable sources do not mention nun-human earthling pilots, be they goblins, yetis, orcs, or platypuses. If you find a reliable source that does, bring it. What's so difficult about understanding that? --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:24, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
who are you talking to? 136.34.135.202 (talk) 22:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can see which contribution someone responds to by looking the indentation. See WP:INDENT. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
oh, ok. I went to my original post to you, and it said "Loons?...If your intent is to ridicule others on this talk page, I would suggest you re-read the rules of Wikipedia concerning this issue" WP:CIV 136.34.135.202 (talk) 01:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It has been exactly two weeks since it was pointed-out you may be in violation of WP:CIV with your reference to "loons" when applied across the board. I may be misunderstanding your 2 posts above, but it would appear you are "doubling-down" with the same reference, now directed toward an entire group of Congressional staff. I would respectfully ask you to strike-through the uncivil comment, or re-word it calmly and neutrally. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 15:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CIV is about how we are supposed to treat other editors. Brunton (talk) 21:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree. It is intended to relate to a whole range of civil discourse between editors and entire groups of individuals. The post suggests that anyone who follows or studies UFOs is a "loon", and I would contend is acting in an uncivil manner. It could also be a form of "baiting" as discussed in WP:CIV 136.34.135.202 (talk) 11:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The word "loon" is short for "not a reliable source because they believe far-out stuff which, according to mainstream consensus, is not justified by the evidence." There is no reason to believe that the opinions of politicians are any more reality-based than those of a random person. They are not reliable sources. One of the purposes of secret services is misleading the secret services of other states. They are not reliable sources. When a ufologist can not identify a flying object, that is not astonishing because it is the job of a ufologist to not identify flying objects. They are not reliable sources. Maybe you should just read WP:RS.
WP:CIV says, Stated simply, editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect. In other words, you are wrong when you disagree. Can you now stop digressing and WP:FOCUS? --Hob Gadling (talk) 14:36, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am still awaiting a response to the original "loon" references you made, ostensibly to ridicule those who study UFOs whether they are politicians, editors, or anyone else. Again, I would respectfully ask you strike-out those references, or reword in a neutral way. 136.34.135.202 (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It’s just WP:SENSATIONAL clickbait based on speculations of a ufologist: UFO researcher Douglas Johnson has spotted what might as well be the first-ever admission from the U.S. government that specific UFO sightings have non-human origins, Vice said in its report. Unfortunately some media outlets indulge in this sort of thing. - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
who are you talking to? 136.34.135.202 (talk) 23:00, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CEFAA, Chile

I just noticed the CEFAA of Chile is not mentioned anywhere in the wikipedia. CEFAA, Committee for Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena, since 1997, recently renamed SEFAA (Section for Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena), is the oficial governmental section for the study of these reports in the Republic of Chile, and perhaps the first stablished in South America. Since I am not allowed to edit the article, may any of you decide whether add this info or not. Mauchileno (talk) 00:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2022

73.148.222.42 (talk) 12:39, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to edit the information and give everyone more information about all of our seeings

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Icabobin (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Doty - Statements Made by Governmental Employees

I added a small portion concerning the allegations made by Richard Doty.

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