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Why my link was removed ?

I was add link to site http://www.fleshka.net , i think it is a great site , on this site i found more 250000 pornography galleries in all niches . Thanks

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a repository of links. This article is not meant to be a list of places to find porn, but rather an encyclopedia discussion of pornography.--Bibliophylax 16:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please Add This

I think the page is protected. I want to add the term Carnography under See also. Would someone be able to add it? 156.34.222.231 13:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Beland 02:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks 156.34.220.66 19:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Revise "Religions Objections"

Here's the current contents of "Religious Objections."

Fundamentalist religious tradition generally limits sexual intercourse to the express function of procreation. Thus, sexual pleasure or sex oriented entertainment, as well as lack of modesty, are usually considered immoral by conservative religious sects. Additionally, many religious groups view pornography as contributing to 'immoral' behavior in society.

Since I believe a very significant portion of opposition to pornography is religiously- or morally-informed, the sparse, stereotyping treatment here surprises me. I see that this was discussed recently (on the most recent archive page), but no significant action was taken.

Here's what I would recommend, combining text from the current article, the talk page, and my own writing (as a new user, I can't make the change myself):

Religious groups often discourage their members from viewing or reading pornography, and support legislation restricting its publication. These positions derive from broader religious views about sexuality. In some religious traditions, for example, sexual intercourse is limited to the express function of procreation. Thus, sexual pleasure or sex-oriented entertainment, as well as lack of modesty, are considered immoral. Other religions do not find sexual pleasure immoral, but see sex as a sacred, godly, highly-pleasurable activity that is only to be enjoyed with one's spouse. These traditions do not condemn sexual pleasure in and of itself, but they impose severe limitations on the circumstances under which sexual pleasure may be properly experienced. Pornography in this view is seen as the secularization of something sacred, and a violation of spouses' intimate relationship.

In addition to expressing concerns about violating sexual morality, some religions take an anti-pornography stance claiming that viewing pornography is addictive, leading to self-destructive behavior. Proponents of this view compare pornography addiction to alcoholism, both in asserting the seriousness of the problem and in developing treatment methods.

I would link to pornography addiction in the second paragraph, and add that link to the "see also" section at the bottom of the article.

I've removed the word "fundamentalist" in the interest of NPOV. It's heavy with connotation. On the one hand, anyone who espouses this view is labeled as out-of-touch or extremist. On the other hand, it implies that those who have different religious views on sexuality are less "fundamental" than those who take this particular view. I think we can just say "some religions" without unnecessarily labeling them.

These changes should probably also be merged into the main article -- Anti-pornography movement.

-- Smith.dan 22:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns about children using Wikipedia and finding porn

Wikipedia, so many underaged children are currently viewing wikipedia on educational purposes such as science and literature. I strongly condemn any pornography in this encyclopdia site. Even if you need to put them for particular purposes, don't you think the external link might be harmful. Young people are always curious about these things despite the number of content warnings you have labelled. They are addictive and unnecessary. {[from anonymously]} —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.162.123.244 (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Ultimately it is the responsibility of parents to supervise their children's computer use and prevent them from visiting certain sites if they think it is necessary. (I am a parent myself.) Personally I don't see anything harmful to children in the current version. As for porn being addictive, that is subject to debate, to say the least. Please see The Science of Pornography Addiction by Daniel Linz, Ph.D. Rosemary Amey 18:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

5 year olds want to look for Pokemon not Porn-o. What do we have to be worried about. - BigFrank101

Concerns that I was directly spammed on a baby blog directly to this wikipedia link. So while I am obviously supervising the computer - wikipedia and pornography is searching ME OUT on a BABY BLOG. I have a background in internet law and I realize some information can not be controlled, but you need to control this site. The inforatmation is too widely regarded as accurate - and there are too many things that are ending up to be false. The site is quickly losing credibility, which is sad.

If you want the IP of the person who spammed - I'll send it.

In fact, here you go:

216.177.165.10
65.73.204.61

Wikipedia spammers!

LEx

There has also been a recent increase in sex crimes in Japan which parallels an increase in all crimes. Some in Japan have blamed the increase on violent pornography and indeed, some sex offenders report having been inspired by themes in commonly available pornography. The counter argument is that some sex offenders will likely use any defense they can to lower their culpability.

wheres the refrence? Im deleting this because it need sources

lex

Apparently I can now edit the page. Made my suggested changes myself. -- Smith.dan 13:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can pornography be performed?

Pornography may use any of a variety of media — printed literature, photos, sculpture, drawing, painting, animation, sound recording, film, video, or video game, and may even be performed in a live venue, possibly in front of a live audience.

I question the notion that pornography "may even be performed". The word root -graphos means that pornography must be in the form of some distributable medium. The subject it depicts may be (almost always is) a live performance, but IMO one cannot perform pornography. That does not rule out that that a live performer's emulation of sex acts could be described as pornographic (adjective) i.e. "like pornography". (cuddlyable3)84.210.139.189 18:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are correct. Because the word is subjective in interpretation, many people think that some things that they view as being pornographic. Accurate though, is as you say, that live sex performers could not be considered to be pornographic, although the recording of the event might be termed by some to be pornographic. Atom 19:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a gray area between the technical definition (as cited above), and common useage. There is certainly a long history of "live sex shows" which feature "lascivious" performances designed to tittilate and arouse the audience. These might well qualify as pornographic performances for that reason. Doc Tropics 19:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the reason that they are not advertised as pornographic performances is because they are not recorded. A lascivious performance designed to tittilate and arouse is not pornographic, the video tape of the performance may be. Only a depiction of the event can be pornographic the behaviour itself may be erotic, obscene or lascivious, but not pornographic.

Merriam Webster

Etymology: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornE prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey -- more at FARE, CARVE 1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement 2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement 3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>

Atom 20:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I stand corrected; you are absolutely right. Also, I've added your name to my list of "Editors I won't disagree with, because they will kick my metaphorical butt in a debate".Doc Tropics 20:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

practice makes perfect

i read somewhere, in a sex/health magizine (no not a porn mag) that statistcally those who watch porn, and masterbate more often are better at sex, i guess from "learning from example", does anyone know if this is true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.226.37 (talk • contribs) date (UTC)

Most sexual acts in pornography are over done, and not 'realistic', in the sense that more often than not, underwear doesn't rip off that fast, or that way. Pornography is merely for entertainment, and that sexual education videos should instead be used for learning, instead of something that was done mainly for entertainment and, quite frankly, something to jack off to instead of reproducing in reallife. Disinclination 07:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would suspect this is a case of correlation rather than causation. Rosemary Amey 00:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious.

How come an article on pornography doesn't have a pornographic picture to illustrate it? Xiner (talk, email) 17:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does, as you'll see the rack of movies along there. We don't need naked pictures of people doing it, irregardless if Wikipedia is censored for minors. This is about the industry and what it is. If you wanna see what happens IN a pornography, check out sexual intercourse or something similar to that. Disinclination 21:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Xiner (talk, email) 22:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Well. I had no idea HOW the original pornography image was removed, but I found it. Still unsure of why the Pompeii image was added. Going to find the reason as to why, and maybe put it to a better place (aesthetically pleasing), and shrink it down as well. Disinclination 23:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like vaginas

Someone has written grafittis such as "I like vaginas" in this article. So I hope that someone can correct it as soon as possible? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.131.36.144 (talk) 23:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Removed a sentence

Because it seemed extraneous, I removed the following sentence from the topic "Production and distribution by region":

"Pornography is now a major part of life for some, with many couples swearing by it to relieve themselves sexually."

ChrisWinter 04:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

The history section of this article has been vandalized. I am unable to repair it. 59.167.130.181 04:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Censoring the pornography stand

Is there anyway to censor out the stand, not completely remove it, rather, blur some of the images out casually? Many kids at my school seem to love getting legitimate sites blocked. Hell keep the stand and boobies, just blur out the penis/vagina parts on the stand, and their aren't many to begin with. People may argue that this is extremist religious censorship, rather, I plea on behalf of the people at my school, The Administration will simply block the complete site, due to their horrid policies and slacker motto. 76.184.219.16 22:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

this article is rubbish

This could be a very interesting article if it didnt read like it was put together by some very strange individuals. lock it up and get some people with intelligence on it please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.243.220.42 (talk) 02:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

What parts in particular do you refer to? -iopq 05:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Included Media Content "Stag Video"

The stag video doesn't play anything. This threw me for a loop so I downloaded every codec for each direct play viewer, and Wiki Browser and still got nothing. This depressed me because I would like to upload some video content to wikipedia, and thought I couldn't view it. As a last ditch effort I tried one of the other wikimedia video files. Lo and behold it played in each of the players.

Long story to quick point: If the stage video doesn't work or has been censored, can it be removed? If it shouldn't be removed, can a working version be uploaded? Having a link that goes nowhere is a tad disturbing, especially to newbies and/or "old porn" addicts. :p

Ara Pelodi 04:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

italian photo

Hallo, I want a your opinion about the Pornography on italian wiki [1]: what do you think about the photo "porno.jpg"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.15.100.179 (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

What difference does the opinion of contributors here make? Unless you're suggesting that the picture be used in this article, I really don't see what useful comment can be added by us. --Robert Merkel 05:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By and for women

Anyone else think the Village Voice quote in the 'pornography by and for women' section is kind of irrelevant? I guess I can see how it might not be -- but it's long, and I don't really think it pertains. Anyone disagree? Eeblefish 02:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a few days. I'm removing it unless someone disputes it. Eeblefish 04:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some Sources

Milton Diamond and Ayako Uchiyama in „Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan“ (International Journal of Law and Psychiatry 22(1): 1-22. 1999) online „Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan“:
Our findings regarding sex crimes, murder and assault are in keeping with what is also known about general crime rates in Japan regarding burglary, theft and such. Japan has the lowest number of reported rape cases and the highest percentage of arrests and convictions in reported cases of any developed nation. Indeed, Japan is known as one of the safest developed countries for women in the world (Clifford, 1980). (...)...: Despite the absence of evidence, the myth persists that an abundance of sexually explicit material invariably leads to an abundance of sexual activity and eventually rape (e.g., Liebert, Neale, & Davison, 1973). Indeed, the data we report and review suggest the opposite. Christensen (1990) argues that to prove that available pornography leads to sex crimes one must at least find a positive temporal correlation between the two. The absence of any positive correlation in our findings, and from results elsewhere, between an increase in available pornography and the incidence of rape or other sex crime, is prima facie evidence that no link exists. But objectivity requires that an additional question be asked: „Does pornography use and availability prevent or reduce sex crime?“ Both questions lead to hypotheses that have, over prolonged periods, been tested in Denmark, Sweden, West Germany and now in Japan. Indeed, it appears from our data from Japan, as it was evident to Kutchinsky (1994), from research in Europe, that a large increase in available sexually explicit materials, over many years, has not been correlated with an increase in rape or other sexual crimes. Instead, in Japan a marked decrease in sexual crimes has occurred.

Berl Kutchinsky, Pornography and Rape: Theory and Practice? in: International Journal of Law and Psychiatry, Nr.14, 1991, p. 47-66--Nemissimo II 10:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

Great article. I have one suggestion, though. I think it would be interesting to include a paragraph dealing with the issue of WHO the porn actors are - socially, economically, and so on. I have a feeling there's a pretty clear class issue here. Also, as far as I know, quite a lot - maybe most? - of the women actors in porn are actually victims of sexual abuse, either as children or later in life. I'm sure there are some studies on those things - maybe someone has the time to dig this out? This would shed some sociological light on the gut feeling you invariably get watching porn: "those girls aren't really having a great time"... (although I admit it's a case of mixed emotions :))

Lawyers and pornography

I fail to see a direct relationship. is this really necessary? (quote) "It also provides lucrative employment for armies of lawyers, on several "sides." " —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ariel Hoffman (talk • contribs) 15:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Language correction needed

This phrase from the introduction needs to be changed.

and may even be performed in a live venue, possibly in front of a live audience.

By definition, a 'live venue' is in front of a 'live audience', there is no 'possibly' about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.137.14 (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

'Grafe' is misspelt. It should be 'Graphe'

Citations needed

Are there any citations available for the following statements from the introduction:

pornographic industry has skyrocketed due to the technological convenience of VHS and DVD, and in particular the rise of the Internet.
most distribution is by sale.

Regarding the first statement, i have read that within the first 5 or so years of the introduction of the camera, London officials confiscated 2 tons of photographic pornography.

with regard to the second statement, any place that sells adult videos/DVD's also does a good business in rentals.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.137.14 (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Linkage

The mention of C Everett Koop should be a link to the article on him, especially since he is a controversial figure in many ways. I can't edit the page myself because of the protection. Vcdevx99 02:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)vc[reply]

Main image

This image needs to go, yet certain people insist on keeping it. Why? Wikipedia is here to teach people, and the photo does not teach anyone anything. I shouldn't have to tell anyone that images like this expose Wikipedia to public scrutiny which can only be a bad thing. Shreditor 03:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a depiction of pornography, in an article about pornography. WP:NOT censored, so I guess I'm failing to see the problem? It's not gratuitous. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me Please review me!} 05:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, a visual aid is always nice, as long as it's not unnecessarily distracting. I believe that we can do better than the current image (though I like that the current photo's subject is extremely typical and demonstrates an everyday reality), but I am adamantly opposed to omitting a visual example from the lead section altogether. A good article almost demands good visual aids.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 05:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Visual aid for what? Pornography is the depiction of sexual behavoir in order to excite sexual desire. I don't think anyone needs a "visual aid" to understand the concept. The only reason why I'm making a big deal of it is because I like Wikipedia and I don't want it ending up as a sensational story on the 6 o'clock news about how we're peddling porn to minors. I appreciate that Wikipedia is uncensored. In order for it to stay uncensored, let's use some self-restraint. Shreditor 21:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The picture of "adult movies" contains explicit material

IMO, it should be changed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.77.237.201 (talk) 20:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

--- Lexi