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Category being used wrongly

Today a lot of people were added to this "veganism" category. However, we already have categories for this such as veganism activists Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute

@MaynardClark:, @Timelezz:, @Randy Kryn: there was a recent dispute on this category about including the "vegetarianism" category (see category history). It should be noted that up until 14 December 2022 the "vegetarianism" category was not included in this veganism category, it has since been removed. I don't think it is a huge issue but I would agree with MaynardClark that "veganism involves a vegan form of vegetarian diet". The modern vegan movement grew out of the vegetarian movement but I can understand why modern philosophical vegans want to dissociate with anything vegetarian. I don't object to including the category but it doesn't bother me either if it stays removed. I can understand both viewpoints. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for bringing this forward on the talk page @Psychologist Guy. I would like to add that the name giver(s) of veganism were already pointing out the philosophical side of veganism. (e.g. https://www.vegfest.co.uk/and-if-you-know-your-history/). Veganism - not to be confused with a plant food diet - is based on animal rights (non-exploitation is explicitly in the definition), as feminism is based on equal rights indifferent of gender/sex and is not limited to a diet. Vegetarianism is limited to the diet - wearing a leather jacket fits in vegetarianism - and in principal lacks a philosophy, which explains why proto-vegans joined with vegetarians in the early days, when they were a tiny pocket amongst the population. The origin of the vegan diet is a philosophical way of living, just like halal and kosjer are diets with an origin in a philosophical (more specific: religious) way of living. Therefore, I consider veganism more related to feminism than to vegetarianism. Timelezz (talk) 14:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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	{{ping\|MaynardClark}}, {{ping\|Timelezz}}, {{ping\|Randy Kryn}} there was a recent dispute on this category about including the "vegetarianism" category (see category history). It should be noted that up until 14 December 2022 the "vegetarianism" category was not included in this veganism category, it has since been removed. I don't think it is a huge issue but I would agree with MaynardClark that "veganism involves a vegan form of vegetarian diet". The modern vegan movement grew out of the vegetarian movement but I can understand why modern philosophical vegans want to dissociate with anything vegetarian. I don't object to including the category but it doesn't bother me either if it stays removed. I can understand both viewpoints. [[User:Psychologist Guy\|Psychologist Guy]] ([[User talk:Psychologist Guy\|talk]]) 22:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)		{{ping\|MaynardClark}}, {{ping\|Timelezz}}, {{ping\|Randy Kryn}} there was a recent dispute on this category about including the "vegetarianism" category (see category history). It should be noted that up until 14 December 2022 the "vegetarianism" category was not included in this veganism category, it has since been removed. I don't think it is a huge issue but I would agree with MaynardClark that "veganism involves a vegan form of vegetarian diet". The modern vegan movement grew out of the vegetarian movement but I can understand why modern philosophical vegans want to dissociate with anything vegetarian. I don't object to including the category but it doesn't bother me either if it stays removed. I can understand both viewpoints. [[User:Psychologist Guy\|Psychologist Guy]] ([[User talk:Psychologist Guy\|talk]]) 22:42, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

			:Thank you for bringing this forward on the talk page @[[User:Psychologist Guy\|Psychologist Guy]]. I would like to add that the name giver(s) of veganism were already pointing out the philosophical side of veganism. (e.g. https://www.vegfest.co.uk/and-if-you-know-your-history/). Veganism - not to be confused with a plant food diet - is based on animal rights (non-exploitation is explicitly in the definition), as feminism is based on equal rights indifferent of gender/sex and is not limited to a diet. Vegetarianism is limited to the diet - wearing a leather jacket fits in vegetarianism - and in principal lacks a philosophy, which explains why proto-vegans joined with vegetarians in the early days, when they were a tiny pocket amongst the population. The origin of the vegan diet is a philosophical way of living, just like halal and kosjer are diets with an origin in a philosophical (more specific: religious) way of living. Therefore, I consider veganism more related to feminism than to vegetarianism. [[User:Timelezz\|Timelezz]] ([[User talk:Timelezz\|talk]]) 14:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)